Rumor: Celtics, among others, in contact with Sixers about Noel/Okafor

[CoachBo]

Now CSN is saying #3 pick for one of Noel/Okafor. Said Ford is reporting (guessing) AB for one of them.

im having trouble interpreting this post.

It's not the post, Thats what they said on Sports tonight.

 And yeah it didn't make sense. I don't think Ford is on top of this. AB for Okafor/Noel doesn't get Philly what they want which is Dunn. #3 gets you Okafor, MAYBE Noel, DA wants a bit more. Which he should, he's not the one seeking out the pick.

So we're at a point now where Boston would struggle to get Nerlens Noel for the #3 pick?  Interesting.

Honestly I'd be happy with either.  I'd love to have Noel.  It's comical to me people think Okafor is not worth the #3, but Nerlens is worth more than #3.  When you consider that this is the last year of Noels' rookie contract, it's pretty funny.

I'm looking forward to Thursday so I can stop reading stupid things one way or the other.

Keep the pick.  Trade it.  Whatever.

Well said.

But don't waste it on Bender.

[jpotter33]

Now CSN is saying #3 pick for one of Noel/Okafor. Said Ford is reporting (guessing) AB for one of them.

Wait, are you saying CSN is saying something different than Ford?

I think I'd do AB for Noel without blinking. I love AB, but Noel's defense and athleticism would be HUGE for us, especially with Smart ready to step in at the two spot.

And after a quick look, the only places seemingly still suggesting Okafor for #3 is "SixersSense," who also said Okafor for Wiggins should happen. 

Tim Welsh says he's hearing #3 for either Noel or Okafor

Felger said Ford said: AB for either Noel or Okafor.

AB for Noel/Okafor makes sense, then leaves us with #3 to move in a package for Butler.

I'd be happy with AB for Noel if we have a strong plan in place to land a solid SG. 

People seem to think Butler is worth a heck of a lot more than just the #3 pick, though.  I've seen it suggested it would cost us #3 + Thomas + Crowder.  No thanks.

Moving #3 to a 3rd team as a way to acquire Kevin Love, and pairing him with NOel, would be pretty interesting.

Would absolutely love that pairing.

If we'd send Bradley off Noel, I doubt Butler would still be in the game due to costing us too much. However, a core of IT, Smart, Crowder, Love, and Noel would be decently enticing to someone like Durant, and we'd still have room to make more moves.

you were quicker on the draw so Ill toss you a TP.

TP Back at ya!

[Sketch5]

Now CSN is saying #3 pick for one of Noel/Okafor. Said Ford is reporting (guessing) AB for one of them.

Wait, are you saying CSN is saying something different than Ford?

I think I'd do AB for Noel without blinking. I love AB, but Noel's defense and athleticism would be HUGE for us, especially with Smart ready to step in at the two spot.

And after a quick look, the only places seemingly still suggesting Okafor for #3 is "SixersSense," who also said Okafor for Wiggins should happen. 

Tim Welsh says he's hearing #3 for either Noel or Okafor

Felger said Ford said: AB for either Noel or Okafor.

AB for Noel/Okafor makes sense, then leaves us with #3 to move in a package for Butler.

I'd be happy with AB for Noel if we have a strong plan in place to land a solid SG. 

People seem to think Butler is worth a heck of a lot more than just the #3 pick, though.  I've seen it suggested it would cost us #3 + Thomas + Crowder.  No thanks.

Moving #3 to a 3rd team as a way to acquire Kevin Love, and pairing him with NOel, would be pretty interesting.

I think Boston is leaning Noel, but Philly likes him more and if they end up with one of the two after draft night they rather have Noel and give up Okafor so they aren't willing to just let him go easily.  Maybe thats why DA wants more than just Okafor for the #3, to pressure Philly into giving him Noel.

It would be funny if LA took Dunn and threw this all out of wack.

[jpotter33]

Now CSN is saying #3 pick for one of Noel/Okafor. Said Ford is reporting (guessing) AB for one of them.

Wait, are you saying CSN is saying something different than Ford?

I think I'd do AB for Noel without blinking. I love AB, but Noel's defense and athleticism would be HUGE for us, especially with Smart ready to step in at the two spot.

And after a quick look, the only places seemingly still suggesting Okafor for #3 is "SixersSense," who also said Okafor for Wiggins should happen. 

Tim Welsh says he's hearing #3 for either Noel or Okafor

Felger said Ford said: AB for either Noel or Okafor.

AB for Noel/Okafor makes sense, then leaves us with #3 to move in a package for Butler.

I'd be happy with AB for Noel if we have a strong plan in place to land a solid SG. 

People seem to think Butler is worth a heck of a lot more than just the #3 pick, though.  I've seen it suggested it would cost us #3 + Thomas + Crowder.  No thanks.

Moving #3 to a 3rd team as a way to acquire Kevin Love, and pairing him with NOel, would be pretty interesting.

I think Boston is leaning Noel, but Philly likes him more and if they end up with one of the two after draft night they rather have Noel and give up Okafor so they aren't willing to just let him go easily.  Maybe thats why DA wants more than just Okafor for the #3, to pressure Philly into giving him Noel.

It would be funny if LA took Dunn and threw this all out of wack.

Danny just needs to play hardball with them. They're the ones who absolutely NEED Dunn, because they don't have a rotation caliber guard, or even really wing, on their roster. I'd bet they will eventually fold and give Danny what he wants, or Danny can just pick Dunn and deal with the rest later. Plenty of other teams will be interested in at least one of Dunn, Bradley, or Smart to make room for playing time.

[max215]

Celts and Sixers trade talk heats up. Philly really really wants Dunn per Tim Welsch. @CSNNE

Great, then we should expect more than just Okafor in return.

Okafor was a #3 in what may have been a stronger draft for bigs.

The Celtics reportedly already stated a few weeks ago that they want more than Okafor for #3.

Posturing.  Believe it when I see it.

#3 for Okafor makes too much sense for both teams.

Apparently, there's no players at #3 with all-star potential.  Philly might be getting 75 cents on the dollar, but they have a position log jam.   Boston gets a better prospect.  Philly alleviates their position jam.  Boston alleviates the position log jam they'd have if they draft another guard.   We need a big.  They need a guard.   Danny likes Okafor.  Philly likes Dunn.  Makes a lot of sense for both teams.

Except that everyone with inside knowledge says that Philly is not getting #3 for Okafor. NBA GMs seem much less infatuated with Okafor than you, Lar.

"Everyone" = one report.   Let's see what happens Thursday.   There's plenty of people still saying Okafor for #3 is a win for Boston.

Off the top of my head, I can name Ford and Kyler as specific reporters who have said Okafor for #3 is a non-starter, and then there's every Boston and Philly reporter on the planet. No one credible thinks Okafor's perceived value around the league is #3.

[Beat LA]

It's crazy to me that after three years of tanking Philly is trying to break up the one strength they have before they even see how it plays on the court.

Why not rebuild your team around your 3 lotto 7 footers?  There's enough minutes for all of them, and none of them can play a full season at starters minutes without getting hurt anyways.

Cause they tried that this year, and it was terrible. In today's NBA you need to have at least one big who can shoot consistently from 18+. On top of that, Okafor can't guard 4's AT ALL, and putting Noel on 4's takes away from his biggest strength, rim protection. Who knows if Embiid will ever play.

They have to move AT LEAST one of those guys if they're gonna take Simmons, and they should move one of them anyways.

In fairness to Okafor, can he guard anyone, lol?

Haha, yeah. I saw him guard Sullinger pretty good once. That's about it though

Okafor is a seriously flawed player. A lot of players are flawed, but his flaws are a lot harder to hide than say, Noel's.

Insert Dr. Evil - it's a start .

[wiley]

Now CSN is saying #3 pick for one of Noel/Okafor. Said Ford is reporting (guessing) AB for one of them.

im having trouble interpreting this post.

It's not the post, Thats what they said on Sports tonight.

 And yeah it didn't make sense. I don't think Ford is on top of this. AB for Okafor/Noel doesn't get Philly what they want which is Dunn. #3 gets you Okafor, MAYBE Noel, DA wants a bit more. Which he should, he's not the one seeking out the pick.

So we're at a point now where Boston would struggle to get Nerlens Noel for the #3 pick?  Interesting.

Honestly I'd be happy with either.  I'd love to have Noel.  It's comical to me people think Okafor is not worth the #3, but Nerlens is worth more than #3.  When you consider that this is the last year of Noels' rookie contract, it's pretty funny.

I'm looking forward to Thursday so I can stop reading stupid things one way or the other.

Keep the pick.  Trade it.  Whatever.

I'm sure you'll write plenty of stupid things on Friday.

[Beat LA]

Now CSN is saying #3 pick for one of Noel/Okafor. Said Ford is reporting (guessing) AB for one of them.

Wait, are you saying CSN is saying something different than Ford?

I think I'd do AB for Noel without blinking. I love AB, but Noel's defense and athleticism would be HUGE for us, especially with Smart ready to step in at the two spot.

And after a quick look, the only places seemingly still suggesting Okafor for #3 is "SixersSense," who also said Okafor for Wiggins should happen. 

Tim Welsh says he's hearing #3 for either Noel or Okafor

Felger said Ford said: AB for either Noel or Okafor.

AB for Noel/Okafor makes sense, then leaves us with #3 to move in a package for Butler.

I'd be happy with AB for Noel if we have a strong plan in place to land a solid SG. 

People seem to think Butler is worth a heck of a lot more than just the #3 pick, though.  I've seen it suggested it would cost us #3 + Thomas + Crowder.  No thanks.

Moving #3 to a 3rd team as a way to acquire Kevin Love, and pairing him with NOel, would be pretty interesting.

I think Boston is leaning Noel, but Philly likes him more and if they end up with one of the two after draft night they rather have Noel and give up Okafor so they aren't willing to just let him go easily.  Maybe thats why DA wants more than just Okafor for the #3, to pressure Philly into giving him Noel.

It would be funny if LA took Dunn and threw this all out of wack.

Not for us, it wouldn't, imo, but I can see that transpiring, unfortunately.  Ugh.

[Sketch5]

Now CSN is saying #3 pick for one of Noel/Okafor. Said Ford is reporting (guessing) AB for one of them.

Wait, are you saying CSN is saying something different than Ford?

I think I'd do AB for Noel without blinking. I love AB, but Noel's defense and athleticism would be HUGE for us, especially with Smart ready to step in at the two spot.

And after a quick look, the only places seemingly still suggesting Okafor for #3 is "SixersSense," who also said Okafor for Wiggins should happen. 

Tim Welsh says he's hearing #3 for either Noel or Okafor

Felger said Ford said: AB for either Noel or Okafor.

AB for Noel/Okafor makes sense, then leaves us with #3 to move in a package for Butler.

I'd be happy with AB for Noel if we have a strong plan in place to land a solid SG. 

People seem to think Butler is worth a heck of a lot more than just the #3 pick, though.  I've seen it suggested it would cost us #3 + Thomas + Crowder.  No thanks.

Moving #3 to a 3rd team as a way to acquire Kevin Love, and pairing him with NOel, would be pretty interesting.

I think Boston is leaning Noel, but Philly likes him more and if they end up with one of the two after draft night they rather have Noel and give up Okafor so they aren't willing to just let him go easily.  Maybe thats why DA wants more than just Okafor for the #3, to pressure Philly into giving him Noel.

It would be funny if LA took Dunn and threw this all out of wack.

Not for us, it wouldn't, imo, but I can see that transpiring, unfortunately.  Ugh.

Boston could end up with Ingram, and either you hope he's KD light, or a even better trade bait than Dunn,Bender,Brown,Heild, or Murry.

[Beat LA]

Now CSN is saying #3 pick for one of Noel/Okafor. Said Ford is reporting (guessing) AB for one of them.

Wait, are you saying CSN is saying something different than Ford?

I think I'd do AB for Noel without blinking. I love AB, but Noel's defense and athleticism would be HUGE for us, especially with Smart ready to step in at the two spot.

And after a quick look, the only places seemingly still suggesting Okafor for #3 is "SixersSense," who also said Okafor for Wiggins should happen. 

Ugh. No way.

Subtracting an all NBA defender and a 15ppg guy for a guy who's already torn an ACL and can't score but plays defense. No thank you.

Sounds like a Brad Stevens and Danny Ainge player to me *facepalm*.

[max215]

Now CSN is saying #3 pick for one of Noel/Okafor. Said Ford is reporting (guessing) AB for one of them.

Wait, are you saying CSN is saying something different than Ford?

I think I'd do AB for Noel without blinking. I love AB, but Noel's defense and athleticism would be HUGE for us, especially with Smart ready to step in at the two spot.

And after a quick look, the only places seemingly still suggesting Okafor for #3 is "SixersSense," who also said Okafor for Wiggins should happen. 

Tim Welsh says he's hearing #3 for either Noel or Okafor

Felger said Ford said: AB for either Noel or Okafor.

AB for Noel/Okafor makes sense, then leaves us with #3 to move in a package for Butler.

I'd be happy with AB for Noel if we have a strong plan in place to land a solid SG. 

People seem to think Butler is worth a heck of a lot more than just the #3 pick, though.  I've seen it suggested it would cost us #3 + Thomas + Crowder.  No thanks.

Moving #3 to a 3rd team as a way to acquire Kevin Love, and pairing him with NOel, would be pretty interesting.

Would absolutely love that pairing.

If we'd send Bradley off Noel, I doubt Butler would still be in the game due to costing us too much. However, a core of IT, Smart, Crowder, Love, and Noel would be decently enticing to someone like Durant, and we'd still have room to make more moves.

If there's any truth to the rumor that Okafor could be had for a package not including #3, then a Bender-Okafor pairing is even more intriguing to me.

[Beat LA]

Tier 1
Ben Simmons, F, LSU

Last draft, we had just one player in this category: Karl-Anthony Towns. This tier is usually reserved for guys who are sure-fire All-Stars or franchise players. Only six other players have been ranked in this slot since we started doing this in 2009: Blake Griffin, John Wall, Anthony Davis, Andrew Wiggins, Joel Embiid and Jabari Parker.

You have to be more than good to get here. You have to be elite.

The only other player nominated for Tier 1 by various teams was Brandon Ingram. But while some teams see Ingram as a potential superstar, the majority had him in Tier 2.

Tier 2
Brandon Ingram, F, Duke

Tier 2 is reserved for players with All-Star potential. However, players in Tier 2 often have weaknesses that some teams feel will keep them from being superstars. In Ingram's case, his lack of strength is landing him here.

This is the smallest Tier 2 we've ever had. Marquese Chriss, Kris Dunn and Dragan Bender received votes for Tier 2, but not enough to make the cut.

Tier 3
Dragan Bender, PF, Croatia
Jaylen Brown, F, Cal
Marquese Chriss, PF, Washington
Kris Dunn, PG, Providence
Jamal Murray, G, Kentucky

This tier is typically reserved for players who are projected as NBA starters.

This year we have a strong Tier 3. Three of the players received Tier 2 votes.

All five of these players are locks to go in the top 10. Chriss, especially, has star potential as well.

Having just seven players in the first three tiers makes for a pretty average draft. In terms of the top three tiers, the 2016 draft is not quite as strong as 2014 (12) or 2015 {8), but it is not quite as weak as 2013, which had six players in the top three tiers but none in the top two.

Of this group, Bender and Brown were the only players to receive Tier 4 votes.

Okafor was Tier 2 last year.  Still widely seen as a better prospect than everyone available at #3.  Possibly better than Ingram.

I guess that I was hoping for something other than an article from Chad Ford, but whatever.

[BDeCosta26]

Now CSN is saying #3 pick for one of Noel/Okafor. Said Ford is reporting (guessing) AB for one of them.

Wait, are you saying CSN is saying something different than Ford?

I think I'd do AB for Noel without blinking. I love AB, but Noel's defense and athleticism would be HUGE for us, especially with Smart ready to step in at the two spot.

And after a quick look, the only places seemingly still suggesting Okafor for #3 is "SixersSense," who also said Okafor for Wiggins should happen. 

Ugh. No way.

Subtracting an all NBA defender and a 15ppg guy for a guy who's already torn an ACL and can't score but plays defense. No thank you.

Sounds like a Brad Stevens and Danny Ainge player to me *facepalm*.

But DA was the one who drafted the 15 PPG, All-NBA defender who you don't wanna trade away? Bradley has FAR exceeded what any of us could've hoped for him when he got drafted. Give credit where it's due.

[celticmania]

Who else is as excited as I am? In just 3 days we are going to get answers to many of our questions and will have a better idea about the future of green!

[Ilikesports17]

Now CSN is saying #3 pick for one of Noel/Okafor. Said Ford is reporting (guessing) AB for one of them.

Wait, are you saying CSN is saying something different than Ford?

I think I'd do AB for Noel without blinking. I love AB, but Noel's defense and athleticism would be HUGE for us, especially with Smart ready to step in at the two spot.

And after a quick look, the only places seemingly still suggesting Okafor for #3 is "SixersSense," who also said Okafor for Wiggins should happen. 

Ugh. No way.

Subtracting an all NBA defender and a 15ppg guy for a guy who's already torn an ACL and can't score but plays defense. No thank you.

Sounds like a Brad Stevens and Danny Ainge player to me *facepalm*.

But DA was the one who drafted the 15 PPG, All-NBA defender who you don't wanna trade away? Bradley has FAR exceeded what any of us could've hoped for him when he got drafted. Give credit where it's due.

wait a minute! Beat LA, werent you the dude last year who said youd prefer Markel Brown or KJ McDaniels to Avery Bradley!?!