Are any of our players worth more than #3?

[Kaz]

IT and Crowder.  Lol @ people saying KO; I'm not exactly in love with this draft but c'mon...

[walker834]

Thing is Bender is basically a potentially better version of KO. KO was  picked 11th I believe and has a few years of seasoning. Bender's upside is better but he may also bust.

Obviously the 3rd pick has more value than a guy like that because of potential. That is what the draft is for but I don't see anyone in this draft that just blows me away.

Hield, Bender, Brown, Murray, Dunn etc all have similar upside and its greater than KO but not by miles.

IT and Crowder.  Lol @ people saying KO; I'm not exactly in love with this draft but c'mon...

no one to my knowledge said KO had more value anyways. 

I'd say IT, Smart, maybe KO, Bradley and Crowder are better than any player we can get at 3 this year. Brown, Hield, BEnder, Chriss, Murray are potentially better players than KO, Crowder and Bradley. It's closer than some people may think though.  I'd say KO, Crowder and Bradley's value are not much less if any. They are better players now and have upside themselves.  Ultimately upside wise it's also not a huge gap if any and can go either way in some cases.

the 3rd pick this year is probably worth KO, Crowder or Bradley honestly. Don't tell anyone that though. 

It's actually comparable to Marcus Smart in value although I'd take Smart and IT over any player at 3 this year.

The value of the pick is probably somewhere between Smart, IT and KO, Bradley, Crowder.

I said maybe those guys are better players than anyone this year.  "this year".  I even went on to explain.  People on the internet need to learn how to read. There is nothing in my post that says that.

Kris Dunn is really the kicker if we trade it.  The Bulls may really like him and see a star there.  I'd prefer Marcus Smart over him.

The nets were also stupid to trade us that pick. They could really use Dunn.  It's really the nets pick but we have it.  In that regard the pick has value.

Dear lord, why, lol?

Because we have IT we don't need Dunn. Smart is more valuable to us as a compliment to IT because of his size and defense.

Wow.  Why even bother making the pick, then?  Geesh.

That's a good point.  Probably why we are shopping it. We might be able to get a really good player or a kawii leonard type who could be good down the road but might take some time.  Maybe Brown or Dunn or Bender or Hield or Murray.  But it really is a crap shoot in ways and I don't think there is one guy where it's like that is the guy. Good players though.  Some teams may really like a player too where we can trade it.

[The Oracle]

The answer is none of them by themselves get you the 3rd pick.  The cheap locked up talent that is pretty much under team control for at least 5 and up to 9 years is extremely valuable.  The chance that a player drafted at #3 drastically outperforms his contract is also a huge incentive to not trade the pick.  Salary, contract length and the possibility of finding a diamond in the rough are huge factors.  Therefor it takes a player that is significantly better than the player drafted at #3 is expected to be to get you the 3rd pick. 

[steve]

Realistically, IT is worth 4...smart is worth 7... The value of players goes up when you make it deep in the playoffs. Heild or murray or whoever is more valuable than crowder, avery, smart. The unknown is valuable.

Lol. I love Marcus but there's no way we get 7 for him. His flaws have been exposed BIG TIME.

You're right. I was being generous. We have a lot of good role players, wHich is nice but not as valuable as we think. People think bradley is only slightly less talented than butler. But in reality that's like saying Paul pierce is slightly better than shane battier.

[The Oracle]

Realistically, IT is worth 4...smart is worth 7... The value of players goes up when you make it deep in the playoffs. Heild or murray or whoever is more valuable than crowder, avery, smart. The unknown is valuable.

Lol. I love Marcus but there's no way we get 7 for him. His flaws have been exposed BIG TIME.

You're right. I was being generous. We have a lot of good role players, wHich is nice but not as valuable as we think. People think bradley is only slightly less talented than butler. But in reality that's like saying Paul pierce is slightly better than shane battier.

I.T. is under contract for 2 more years, thats it.  What incentive would any team have to trade a high draft pick for an average starting PG that is only under contract for 2 years?  It would be suicidal as a franchise to make trades like that where a player could walk 2 years later.  You might and I mean "might" get the 10th from Milwaukee.

[Beat LA]

Kris Dunn is really the kicker if we trade it.  The Bulls may really like him and see a star there.  I'd prefer Marcus Smart over him.

The nets were also stupid to trade us that pick. They could really use Dunn.  It's really the nets pick but we have it.  In that regard the pick has value.

Dear lord, why, lol?

Because we have IT we don't need Dunn. Smart is more valuable to us as a compliment to IT because of his size and defense.

That's no reason to pass on Dunn, imo, especially because IT is already 27, and guys his size don't do well, historically, after 30.  Also, without having nearly enough information on Bender, Dunn, to me, is the bpa at 3.  He's already so much better than any of our guards and I'd trade all of them and start Kris from day one, but I realize that I'm in the minority, and maybe even alone, on this one, lol .

[walker834]

Kris Dunn is really the kicker if we trade it.  The Bulls may really like him and see a star there.  I'd prefer Marcus Smart over him.

The nets were also stupid to trade us that pick. They could really use Dunn.  It's really the nets pick but we have it.  In that regard the pick has value.

Dear lord, why, lol?

Because we have IT we don't need Dunn. Smart is more valuable to us as a compliment to IT because of his size and defense.

That's no reason to pass on Dunn, imo, especially because IT is already 27, and guys his size don't do well, historically, after 30.  Also, without having nearly enough information on Bender, Dunn, to me, is the bpa at 3.  He's already so much better than any of our guards and I'd trade all of them and start Kris from day one, but I realize that I'm in the minority, and maybe even alone, on this one, lol .

The issue with this logic and the internets is we don't even know what the celtics are trying to do.  There are reasons to pass on Dunn especially if Ainge is trying to put together a team around IT. Obviously if that doesn't work out Ainge would go another direction. He'd also go another direction if he can find a better one. But even still there are obviously reasons to pass on Dunn if Ainge can put something together he likes.

It doesn't work how a majority of the internet thinks.  You don't make trades just because so and so is better. There is a much bigger picture involved as far as trying to do what is ultimately best for the celtics.

We may still select Dunn if we feel he is the bpa,  but there aren't a ton of situations where it makes sense for us.

There are also agents involved.  Teams that want certain players to build their teams around as well.  It's why we are holding that card having the #3 pick.

I don't know what is best honestly because I can't fully see that board that Ainge has.  I can only imagine what it looks like based on my own logic. It's a question if getting a veteran is a better option or even making the pick etc.  If we can get Butler etc or something else.  We don't know everything that is out there.  I am of the belief that what is being reported is somewhat true, but it's not the full story. 

I'm of the belief that there are reasons why Butler and guys like Horford are being targetted and it's to go with IT and ultimately hopefully Durant.   If we can't put a team around IT he may ultimately go himself but we have Smart.  We aren't even at that point yet.

It's the same with my post.  You don't know what I fully think or how I mean everything. But I do know saying  that's no reason to pass on Dunn is utterly absurd.

If we are trying to build our team around IT with Smart off the bench it is a reason to pass on Dunn.

If another team is trying to build around Dunn and wants to trade us something that fits us better it also is.

That is a good question though if we feel Dunn is bpa and he will actually come here do we still take him even if he doesn't fit us? I would say probably. I was thinking about this last night actually and would say yes but I don't know that.

I don't think we take him if there are other players we actually like though. It depends on what Ainge thinks on guys like Bender.  I've heard he wasn't that impressed.  Brown yes. I read this board a lot and all the news.

I feel like Dunn is good and a potential star, but I also have heard he doesn't want to play here.  I don't know what the situation is there.

[Future Celtics Owner]

Kris Dunn is really the kicker if we trade it.  The Bulls may really like him and see a star there.  I'd prefer Marcus Smart over him.

The nets were also stupid to trade us that pick. They could really use Dunn.  It's really the nets pick but we have it.  In that regard the pick has value.

Dear lord, why, lol?

Because we have IT we don't need Dunn. Smart is more valuable to us as a compliment to IT because of his size and defense.

That's no reason to pass on Dunn, imo, especially because IT is already 27, and guys his size don't do well, historically, after 30.  Also, without having nearly enough information on Bender, Dunn, to me, is the bpa at 3.  He's already so much better than any of our guards and I'd trade all of them and start Kris from day one, but I realize that I'm in the minority, and maybe even alone, on this one, lol .

The issue with this logic and the internets is we don't even know what the celtics are trying to do.  There are reasons to pass on Dunn especially if Ainge is trying to put together a team around IT. Obviously if that doesn't work out Ainge would go another direction. He'd also go another direction if he can find a better one. But even still there are obviously reasons to pass on Dunn if Ainge can put something together he likes.

It doesn't work how a majority of the internet thinks.  You don't make trades just because so and so is better. There is a much bigger picture involved as far as trying to do what is ultimately best for the celtics.

We may still select Dunn if we feel he is the bpa,  but there aren't a ton of situations where it makes sense for us.

There are also agents involved.  Teams that want certain players to build their teams around as well.  It's why we are holding that card having the #3 pick.

I don't know what is best honestly because I can't fully see that board that Ainge has.  I can only imagine what it looks like based on my own logic. It's a question if getting a veteran is a better option or even making the pick etc.  If we can get Butler etc or something else.  We don't know everything that is out there.  I am of the belief that what is being reported is somewhat true, but it's not the full story. 

I'm of the belief that there are reasons why Butler and guys like Horford are being targetted and it's to go with IT and ultimately hopefully Durant.   If we can't put a team around IT he may ultimately go himself but we have Smart.  We aren't even at that point yet.

It's the same with my post.  You don't know what I fully think or how I mean everything. But I do know saying  that's no reason to pass on Dunn is utterly absurd.

If we are trying to build our team around IT with Smart off the bench it is a reason to pass on Dunn.

If another team is trying to build around Dunn and wants to trade us something that fits us better it also is.

That is a good question though if we feel Dunn is bpa and he will actually come here do we still take him even if he doesn't fit us? I would say probably. I was thinking about this last night actually and would say yes but I don't know that.

I don't think we take him if there are other players we actually like though. It depends on what Ainge thinks on guys like Bender.  I've heard he wasn't that impressed.  Brown yes. I read this board a lot and all the news.

I feel like Dunn is good and a potential star, but I also have heard he doesn't want to play here.  I don't know what the situation is there.

TP. The NBA is like the stock market/econ101: types of assets change value over time, styles of play change over time, winning strategies change, importance on certain positions, supply and demand at certain positions.

Ainge has said he will do what is best for the TEAM but he can only ACT if another team is willing. And DA will take this team in another direction if he sees the current market is undervaluing certain players.
I think Crowder could get us the #6 or maybe the #4 if we take back Tyson Chandlers contract and give them Amir's?

I would also without any doubt trade for Okafor. Many people have their minds made up on him but with legit big boy CENTERS that are a solid 280, sometimes you need to practice patience....especially when they are 19. Anyways look at his videos and research his shooting charts and progression.He actually has a very nice shot that can extend to 19' but more realistically, and possibly by next season, he can knock down 15' all day.
Also with more workouts/conditioning and grown-man strength he will be a very large CENTER. Remember how Tyler Zeller was a very good interior defender for us in the 14/15 season? He could rotate and although he could not block shots he used his body to go straight up/bother/contest the shot/layup......Okafor can do that

[Beat LA]

Kris Dunn is really the kicker if we trade it.  The Bulls may really like him and see a star there.  I'd prefer Marcus Smart over him.

The nets were also stupid to trade us that pick. They could really use Dunn.  It's really the nets pick but we have it.  In that regard the pick has value.

Dear lord, why, lol?

Because we have IT we don't need Dunn. Smart is more valuable to us as a compliment to IT because of his size and defense.

That's no reason to pass on Dunn, imo, especially because IT is already 27, and guys his size don't do well, historically, after 30.  Also, without having nearly enough information on Bender, Dunn, to me, is the bpa at 3.  He's already so much better than any of our guards and I'd trade all of them and start Kris from day one, but I realize that I'm in the minority, and maybe even alone, on this one, lol .

The issue with this logic and the internets is we don't even know what the celtics are trying to do.  There are reasons to pass on Dunn especially if Ainge is trying to put together a team around IT. Obviously if that doesn't work out Ainge would go another direction. He'd also go another direction if he can find a better one. But even still there are obviously reasons to pass on Dunn if Ainge can put something together he likes.

It doesn't work how a majority of the internet thinks.  You don't make trades just because so and so is better. There is a much bigger picture involved as far as trying to do what is ultimately best for the celtics.

We may still select Dunn if we feel he is the bpa,  but there aren't a ton of situations where it makes sense for us.

There are also agents involved.  Teams that want certain players to build their teams around as well.  It's why we are holding that card having the #3 pick.

I don't know what is best honestly because I can't fully see that board that Ainge has.  I can only imagine what it looks like based on my own logic. It's a question if getting a veteran is a better option or even making the pick etc.  If we can get Butler etc or something else.  We don't know everything that is out there.  I am of the belief that what is being reported is somewhat true, but it's not the full story. 

I'm of the belief that there are reasons why Butler and guys like Horford are being targetted and it's to go with IT and ultimately hopefully Durant.   If we can't put a team around IT he may ultimately go himself but we have Smart.  We aren't even at that point yet.

It's the same with my post.  You don't know what I fully think or how I mean everything. But I do know saying  that's no reason to pass on Dunn is utterly absurd.

If we are trying to build our team around IT with Smart off the bench it is a reason to pass on Dunn.

If another team is trying to build around Dunn and wants to trade us something that fits us better it also is.

That is a good question though if we feel Dunn is bpa and he will actually come here do we still take him even if he doesn't fit us? I would say probably. I was thinking about this last night actually and would say yes but I don't know that.

I don't think we take him if there are other players we actually like though. It depends on what Ainge thinks on guys like Bender.  I've heard he wasn't that impressed.  Brown yes. I read this board a lot and all the news.

I feel like Dunn is good and a potential star, but I also have heard he doesn't want to play here.  I don't know what the situation is there.

Umm, is the ultimate goal not for the Celtics to build a contender?  That's the big picture, which obviously requires the best players that you can get, so why wouldn't you select someone who is better than the guys who do you have?  That makes no sense, to me.

Additionally, I can only respond to what you post, and passing on Dunn just because we have Marcus Smart would be completely and utterly absurd, in my view.  You can talk about guys like Horford, Butler, and Durant (who is not coming here and never was) and wanting to build a team with those guys along with IT all you want, but none of that is more than hope and speculation.  People always want a 'sure thing' instead of drafting someone, when the reality is that the only 'sure thing' we have is the chance to select guys around whom we can ultimately build a champion, so passing on Dunn and opting to hope for some kind of super team that likely will never materialize is just nonsensical, to me.  Besides, all of those guys are near 30 years old, already, so is this what Ainge is going to do - just keep assembling teams with narrow windows of contention while mortgaging our future in the process?  How about not?  There's a much better chance of being able to draft your own star than hoping that one suddenly comes here through free agency, imo, but to do so would require us to actually be able to draft well, so, yeah, lol , I guess that the chance of Kevin Durant coming here is equal to that of Danny drafting a star.  Sounds promising (sarcasm) .