Interesting call from Celtics 'insider' on Felger & Mazz

[Vermont Green]

So the good news is that Love's value seems to be dropping so we can get him for relatively small money (Bradley, Olynyk, 2nd).  But the bad news is that his value has dropped because he has been playing so poorly.  He had done nothing in these finals, nothing.

I don't buy the "bad fit" argument.  I think he is just not that good.

[footey]

Olynyk for Love. Wow. I don't know how to describe that. Is it cruel irony? I'm not sure. Anyway, TP for the info.

I got the sense that bender's value took a hit after not much praise was said about him from Danny's trip.

I honestly think Kevin Love will only be traded here as a last resort just because his value has reached an all-time low. That being said, I still would do it. Call Love all you want defensively, he can't be much worse than Jared Sullinger.

It's not that, it's AB AND KO plus a second for Love.

Oh I know. I'm just saying that it's a little funny to me that in this hypothetical, Love will be traded for Olynyk after well, all that happened last year.

It won't be funny if Olynyk out-performs him, which would not surprise me.

[KG Living Legend]

Question - let's say that's the deal of AB, Olynyk, and a 2nd round pick (could only happen after the draft this summer, or we'd have to add something like JJ to the mix to match salaries if it's a draft day trade).

Would they move Lebron to the 4, or just plug them in at the 2 and 4 in their starting lineup? Bradley would definitely be a good starter for them and complements Kyrie well, but I fail to see KO starting in Cleveland. He'd be an even bigger whipping boy for Lebron than Love is now, and I don't think he's a starting caliber player on a championship-level team, at least not right now.

 Their best lineup would be

 Thompson
 Lebron
 Shumpert
 Bradley
 Irving

 Kelly
 Lebron
.Jr Smith
 Bradley
 Irving

 Super three point spacing team.

[Casperian]

So, a random guy calls into the worst sports show on the planet and cites "friends on twitter" as his sources?

Sounds legit.

[rickyfan3.0...]

Avery Bradley is a better player than Kevin Love IMO.

[MJohnnyboy]

Olynyk for Love. Wow. I don't know how to describe that. Is it cruel irony? I'm not sure. Anyway, TP for the info.

I got the sense that bender's value took a hit after not much praise was said about him from Danny's trip.

I honestly think Kevin Love will only be traded here as a last resort just because his value has reached an all-time low. That being said, I still would do it. Call Love all you want defensively, he can't be much worse than Jared Sullinger.

It's not that, it's AB AND KO plus a second for Love.

Oh I know. I'm just saying that it's a little funny to me that in this hypothetical, Love will be traded for Olynyk after well, all that happened last year.

It won't be funny if Olynyk out-performs him, which would not surprise me.

Don't hold your breath. Love is a much better rebounder than Kelly but Cleveland is playing him like he's Ryan Anderson. Love should fit much better with the Celtics if say he's traded here.

[Timdawgg]

Source was the deli guy!

[Casperian]

Olynyk for Love. Wow. I don't know how to describe that. Is it cruel irony? I'm not sure. Anyway, TP for the info.

I got the sense that bender's value took a hit after not much praise was said about him from Danny's trip.

I honestly think Kevin Love will only be traded here as a last resort just because his value has reached an all-time low. That being said, I still would do it. Call Love all you want defensively, he can't be much worse than Jared Sullinger.

It's not that, it's AB AND KO plus a second for Love.

Oh I know. I'm just saying that it's a little funny to me that in this hypothetical, Love will be traded for Olynyk after well, all that happened last year.

It won't be funny if Olynyk out-performs him, which would not surprise me.

Don't hold your breath. Love is a much better rebounder than Kelly but Cleveland is playing him like he's Ryan Anderson. Love should fit much better with the Celtics if say he's traded here.

Lebron commented on Love's play the other day, and said he had to play better, even if he doesn't get as many touches as he wants.

That tells us

a) Love complained about his touches
b) even though he complained, he's still not getting the touches, because his teammates don't trust him enough

If Love was better, they would use him in a different role. Instead, Love didn't even play in the 4th quarter in several matches these playoffs.

I think the hope that Cleveland's third best player (at best) would somehow turn us into a team that could beat the Cavs is a pipe dream, and if we want him as our own third option, he would face the same situation here he faced in Cleveland.

He's soft, he's a diva, and reportedly, his knees are shot. On a max contract.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Olynyk for Love. Wow. I don't know how to describe that. Is it cruel irony? I'm not sure. Anyway, TP for the info.

I got the sense that bender's value took a hit after not much praise was said about him from Danny's trip.

I honestly think Kevin Love will only be traded here as a last resort just because his value has reached an all-time low. That being said, I still would do it. Call Love all you want defensively, he can't be much worse than Jared Sullinger.

It's not that, it's AB AND KO plus a second for Love.

Oh I know. I'm just saying that it's a little funny to me that in this hypothetical, Love will be traded for Olynyk after well, all that happened last year.

It won't be funny if Olynyk out-performs him, which would not surprise me.

Don't hold your breath. Love is a much better rebounder than Kelly but Cleveland is playing him like he's Ryan Anderson. Love should fit much better with the Celtics if say he's traded here.

I think so, too. I know that Love is a lightning rod, especially around here, but imagine being "the man" for Team A, then getting traded to Team B, which already has two of "the man," and being relegated to glorified decoy.

For his career, Love has proven to be a capable scorer and rebounder. As long as we could pair him with a really good defensive center, sign me up.

[hpantazo]

Olynyk for Love. Wow. I don't know how to describe that. Is it cruel irony? I'm not sure. Anyway, TP for the info.

I got the sense that bender's value took a hit after not much praise was said about him from Danny's trip.

I honestly think Kevin Love will only be traded here as a last resort just because his value has reached an all-time low. That being said, I still would do it. Call Love all you want defensively, he can't be much worse than Jared Sullinger.

It's not that, it's AB AND KO plus a second for Love.

Oh I know. I'm just saying that it's a little funny to me that in this hypothetical, Love will be traded for Olynyk after well, all that happened last year.

It won't be funny if Olynyk out-performs him, which would not surprise me.

Don't hold your breath. Love is a much better rebounder than Kelly but Cleveland is playing him like he's Ryan Anderson. Love should fit much better with the Celtics if say he's traded here.

Lebron commented on Love's play the other day, and said he had to play better, even if he doesn't get as many touches as he wants.

That tells us

a) Love complained about his touches
b) even though he complained, he's still not getting the touches, because his teammates don't trust him enough

If Love was better, they would use him in a different role. Instead, Love didn't even play in the 4th quarter in several matches these playoffs.

I think the hope that Cleveland's third best player (at best) would somehow turn us into a team that could beat the Cavs is a pipe dream, and if we want him as our own third option, he would face the same situation here he faced in Cleveland.

He's soft, he's a diva, and reportedly, his knees are shot. On a max contract.

Wow. That's one of the most biased, innacurate assessments of Love I have ever seen. There are no reports of him having knee issues, he has never been called a diva anywhere, and he is not soft. You can argue that he's not that talented , a defensive liability, or not a good fit, or disintersted, or not a team first guy, but all the points you brought up are way off base.

[Casperian]

Olynyk for Love. Wow. I don't know how to describe that. Is it cruel irony? I'm not sure. Anyway, TP for the info.

I got the sense that bender's value took a hit after not much praise was said about him from Danny's trip.

I honestly think Kevin Love will only be traded here as a last resort just because his value has reached an all-time low. That being said, I still would do it. Call Love all you want defensively, he can't be much worse than Jared Sullinger.

It's not that, it's AB AND KO plus a second for Love.

Oh I know. I'm just saying that it's a little funny to me that in this hypothetical, Love will be traded for Olynyk after well, all that happened last year.

It won't be funny if Olynyk out-performs him, which would not surprise me.

Don't hold your breath. Love is a much better rebounder than Kelly but Cleveland is playing him like he's Ryan Anderson. Love should fit much better with the Celtics if say he's traded here.

Lebron commented on Love's play the other day, and said he had to play better, even if he doesn't get as many touches as he wants.

That tells us

a) Love complained about his touches
b) even though he complained, he's still not getting the touches, because his teammates don't trust him enough

If Love was better, they would use him in a different role. Instead, Love didn't even play in the 4th quarter in several matches these playoffs.

I think the hope that Cleveland's third best player (at best) would somehow turn us into a team that could beat the Cavs is a pipe dream, and if we want him as our own third option, he would face the same situation here he faced in Cleveland.

He's soft, he's a diva, and reportedly, his knees are shot. On a max contract.

Wow. That's one of the most biased, innacurate assessments of Love I have ever seen. There are no reports of him having knee issues, he has never been called a diva anywhere, and he is not soft. You can argue that he's not that talented , a defensive liability, or not a good fit, or disintersted, or not a team first guy, but all he points you brought up are way off base.

So I can say he's not a team first guy, I can say he complained about his touches, and I can say he gave an interview after a game where he called out Lebron (the infamous "our leader over there" interview), but I can't call him a diva?

Is it because he's white? Because for some reason, white players are never considered divas in the public eye.

And yes, he's soft as tissue paper. The internet is full of video examples of Love getting shoved out of the way by smaller and supposedly weaker players.

Maybe his knees aren't "shot", per se, I'll give you that. I thought I read a report a few days ago which mentioned that, but can't find it now. It sure looks like it, though.

But sure, let's go with your line of "he's not that talented , a defensive liability, or not a good fit, or disintersted, or not a team first guy".

[CoachBo]

Olynyk for Love. Wow. I don't know how to describe that. Is it cruel irony? I'm not sure. Anyway, TP for the info.

I got the sense that bender's value took a hit after not much praise was said about him from Danny's trip.

I honestly think Kevin Love will only be traded here as a last resort just because his value has reached an all-time low. That being said, I still would do it. Call Love all you want defensively, he can't be much worse than Jared Sullinger.

It's not that, it's AB AND KO plus a second for Love.

Oh I know. I'm just saying that it's a little funny to me that in this hypothetical, Love will be traded for Olynyk after well, all that happened last year.

It won't be funny if Olynyk out-performs him, which would not surprise me.

Don't hold your breath. Love is a much better rebounder than Kelly but Cleveland is playing him like he's Ryan Anderson. Love should fit much better with the Celtics if say he's traded here.

I think so, too. I know that Love is a lightning rod, especially around here, but imagine being "the man" for Team A, then getting traded to Team B, which already has two of "the man," and being relegated to glorified decoy.

For his career, Love has proven to be a capable scorer and rebounder. As long as we could pair him with a really good defensive center, sign me up.

Like Noel with the 3rd pick?

It's always interesting to note how fearful some Celtics fans are of actually upgrading the talent on this team.

[Ilikesports17]

Olynyk for Love. Wow. I don't know how to describe that. Is it cruel irony? I'm not sure. Anyway, TP for the info.

I got the sense that bender's value took a hit after not much praise was said about him from Danny's trip.

I honestly think Kevin Love will only be traded here as a last resort just because his value has reached an all-time low. That being said, I still would do it. Call Love all you want defensively, he can't be much worse than Jared Sullinger.

It's not that, it's AB AND KO plus a second for Love.

Oh I know. I'm just saying that it's a little funny to me that in this hypothetical, Love will be traded for Olynyk after well, all that happened last year.

It won't be funny if Olynyk out-performs him, which would not surprise me.

Don't hold your breath. Love is a much better rebounder than Kelly but Cleveland is playing him like he's Ryan Anderson. Love should fit much better with the Celtics if say he's traded here.

Lebron commented on Love's play the other day, and said he had to play better, even if he doesn't get as many touches as he wants.

That tells us

a) Love complained about his touches
b) even though he complained, he's still not getting the touches, because his teammates don't trust him enough

If Love was better, they would use him in a different role. Instead, Love didn't even play in the 4th quarter in several matches these playoffs.

I think the hope that Cleveland's third best player (at best) would somehow turn us into a team that could beat the Cavs is a pipe dream, and if we want him as our own third option, he would face the same situation here he faced in Cleveland.

He's soft, he's a diva, and reportedly, his knees are shot. On a max contract.

Wow. That's one of the most biased, innacurate assessments of Love I have ever seen. There are no reports of him having knee issues, he has never been called a diva anywhere, and he is not soft. You can argue that he's not that talented , a defensive liability, or not a good fit, or disintersted, or not a team first guy, but all he points you brought up are way off base.

So I can say he's not a team first guy, I can say he complained about his touches, and I can say he gave an interview after a game where he called out Lebron (the infamous "our leader over there" interview), but I can't call him a diva?

Is it because he's white? Because for some reason, white players are never considered divas in the public eye.

And yes, he's soft as tissue paper. The internet is full of video examples of Love getting shoved out of the way by smaller and supposedly weaker players.

Maybe his knees aren't "shot", per se, I'll give you that. I thought I read a report a few days ago which mentioned that, but can't find it now. It sure looks like it, though.

But sure, let's go with your line of "he's not that talented , a defensive liability, or not a good fit, or disintersted, or not a team first guy".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Manziel

[Ilikesports17]

Olynyk for Love. Wow. I don't know how to describe that. Is it cruel irony? I'm not sure. Anyway, TP for the info.

I got the sense that bender's value took a hit after not much praise was said about him from Danny's trip.

I honestly think Kevin Love will only be traded here as a last resort just because his value has reached an all-time low. That being said, I still would do it. Call Love all you want defensively, he can't be much worse than Jared Sullinger.

It's not that, it's AB AND KO plus a second for Love.

Oh I know. I'm just saying that it's a little funny to me that in this hypothetical, Love will be traded for Olynyk after well, all that happened last year.

It won't be funny if Olynyk out-performs him, which would not surprise me.

Don't hold your breath. Love is a much better rebounder than Kelly but Cleveland is playing him like he's Ryan Anderson. Love should fit much better with the Celtics if say he's traded here.

I think so, too. I know that Love is a lightning rod, especially around here, but imagine being "the man" for Team A, then getting traded to Team B, which already has two of "the man," and being relegated to glorified decoy.

For his career, Love has proven to be a capable scorer and rebounder. As long as we could pair him with a really good defensive center, sign me up.

Like Noel with the 3rd pick?

It's always interesting to note how fearful some Celtics fans are of actually upgrading the talent on this team.

The two seem made for eachother.

Noel is mobile and can both block shots and cover quicker bigs on the perimeter, while Love's shooting offense and passing make up for Noel's struggles on offense. Most importantly, Love is still a very good rebounder. Even playing basically as a stretch 4 this year he averaged 10 rebounds a game. I think rebounding is an underrated weakness of Noel's.

[jambr380]

Olynyk for Love. Wow. I don't know how to describe that. Is it cruel irony? I'm not sure. Anyway, TP for the info.

I got the sense that bender's value took a hit after not much praise was said about him from Danny's trip.

I honestly think Kevin Love will only be traded here as a last resort just because his value has reached an all-time low. That being said, I still would do it. Call Love all you want defensively, he can't be much worse than Jared Sullinger.

It's not that, it's AB AND KO plus a second for Love.

Oh I know. I'm just saying that it's a little funny to me that in this hypothetical, Love will be traded for Olynyk after well, all that happened last year.

It won't be funny if Olynyk out-performs him, which would not surprise me.

Don't hold your breath. Love is a much better rebounder than Kelly but Cleveland is playing him like he's Ryan Anderson. Love should fit much better with the Celtics if say he's traded here.

I think so, too. I know that Love is a lightning rod, especially around here, but imagine being "the man" for Team A, then getting traded to Team B, which already has two of "the man," and being relegated to glorified decoy.

For his career, Love has proven to be a capable scorer and rebounder. As long as we could pair him with a really good defensive center, sign me up.

Like Noel with the 3rd pick?

It's always interesting to note how fearful some Celtics fans are of actually upgrading the talent on this team.

I think I would prefer Cauley-Stein and #8 for the #3. We might need to throw in a little something extra, but we still get one of the six second tier guys and two extra years on a rookie contract in WCS.

Either way, we need an athletic, defensive center to go with Love. I am a huge Amir fan, but we need Biyombo-level athleticism with Love on board.