Danny: Hield is a 2-3, Murray is a 1-2

[footey]

See quote from this morning's Herald:

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/celtics_insider/2016/06/celtics_wont_see_everyone_but_that_wont_affect_danny_ainges

The fact that Danny sees them so differently is very insightful.  Given that we have a bigger need for the 2-3 position, I could see Danny being very interested in drafting Buddy Hield.  Very.  He also mentions that he is a very hard worker, which we all knew, but something to keep in mind. We already know he is a lights out shooter.

Maybe a trade with PHX or MN is in the works so that we get Buddy, and some juice for our 3. 

[jpotter33]

That's a stretch calling Hield a 2-3. He doesn't have the combined height/weight/strength to play the 3 other than spot minutes. He's a 2-3 in the way that Smart is a 2-3, though I don't think he can effectively guard the 3 as well as Smart due to less strength and bulk and aggressiveness.

[danglertx]

Hield would be pretty undersized as a three I'd think.  He'd be giving up three to four inches at least on most NBA threes and probably 20lbs.  If Smart can guard 4's though, who knows.

[footey]

I think in the modern NBA, Hield's size actually fits pretty well in the 2-3 mold. He has long arms, which helps.  The real point is that we have spent countless posts comparing Buddy and Murray based on their age difference, and Ainge is pointing out that they are much different players position-ally. 

I would love to get Hield if we could somehow get something additional in a trade down of our 3 pick.  5 plus Dieng? 

[jambr380]

If Danny drafts Hield, I guess he doesn't hold out much hope for our other 2-3s in RJ and Young. While this shouldn't surprise most of us, I think we all hope that they are both making extraordinary strides behind the scenes.

[Fafnir]

That's a stretch calling Hield a 2-3. He doesn't have the combined height/weight/strength to play the 3 other than spot minutes. He's a 2-3 in the way that Smart is a 2-3, though I don't think he can effectively guard the 3 as well as Smart due to less strength and bulk and aggressiveness.

He's a wing in the NBA not a point. I think that's all danny is saying.

Most NBA teams look at Point, Wings, Fowards, and C(avemen)

Edit: Probably should have had Bigs rather than C(avemen) oh well.

[Csfan1984]

If Danny drafts Hield, I guess he doesn't hold out much hope for our other 2-3s in RJ and Young. While this shouldn't surprise most of us, I think we all hope that they are both making extraordinary strides behind the scenes.

Hunter and Young are best suited as SFs to take Turner's spot. Heild would be AB'S backup.

[footey]

Hield would get back up minutes at the 2 behind Avery, and back up minutes at the 3 behind Crowder, or when Crowder plays the 4 in small ball lineups.  Adding his shooting prowess on the floor really helps open things for us a lot.

[saltlover]

If Danny drafts Hield, I guess he doesn't hold out much hope for our other 2-3s in RJ and Young. While this shouldn't surprise most of us, I think we all hope that they are both making extraordinary strides behind the scenes.

Hunter and Young are best suited as SFs to take Turner's spot. Heild would be AB'S backup.

I haven't seen anything from Hunter and Young to show that they are well-suited to take anyone's spot on a team that is actually looking to win games.

[Granath]

Hield would get back up minutes at the 2 behind Avery, and back up minutes at the 3 behind Crowder, or when Crowder plays the 4 in small ball lineups.  Adding his shooting prowess on the floor really helps open things for us a lot.

I believe that if we draft Hield then Avery will be traded. Hield isn't a project like Bender - you don't stash him on the bench and slowly ease him into garbage time minutes. While every player has to earn their minutes to some degree or another, Hield will need to be given every opportunity to play major minutes from Day 1 because he's already older and therefore should be NBA-ready.

There's already a logjam in the backcourt with IT, Avery, Smart, RJ and Rozier all needing minutes. You can't add the #3 pick to that mix without making some arrangements to get everyone time on the court that deserves it. So I could see something like Bradley getting traded to get a decent PF/C or combined with the #16 draft pick to vault the team back into the lottery to take another high prospect.

[Celtics18]

That sounds like good news to me.  We are chock full of guards, but we could use some more good wings.

Enter Buddy.

[footey]

Hield would get back up minutes at the 2 behind Avery, and back up minutes at the 3 behind Crowder, or when Crowder plays the 4 in small ball lineups.  Adding his shooting prowess on the floor really helps open things for us a lot.

I believe that if we draft Hield then Avery will be traded. Hield isn't a project like Bender - you don't stash him on the bench and slowly ease him into garbage time minutes. While every player has to earn their minutes to some degree or another, Hield will need to be given every opportunity to play major minutes from Day 1 because he's already older and therefore should be NBA-ready.

There's already a logjam in the backcourt with IT, Avery, Smart, RJ and Rozier all needing minutes. You can't add the #3 pick to that mix without making some arrangements to get everyone time on the court that deserves it. So I could see something like Bradley getting traded to get a decent PF/C or combined with the #16 draft pick to vault the team back into the lottery to take another high prospect.

Agree with most of this, but want to point out that if Buddy, due to his age, is seen as slipping, then we may also be willing to combine some picks and player to move up to take him, and use the 3rd pick on someone else we like a lot (say Bender or Brown, e.g.)

[Beat LA]

That's a stretch calling Hield a 2-3. He doesn't have the combined height/weight/strength to play the 3 other than spot minutes. He's a 2-3 in the way that Smart is a 2-3, though I don't think he can effectively guard the 3 as well as Smart due to less strength and bulk and aggressiveness.

Right?  That certainly was a head scratcher, to say the least, but I think the most important part of the article was its second sentence -

He'll be back in the air Wednesday to see some international players in New York. Meanwhile, his son, Austin, was in Italy to do further scouting.

Yeah, can we leave Austin Ainge in Italy?

[hodgy03038]

If Danny drafts Hield, I guess he doesn't hold out much hope for our other 2-3s in RJ and Young. While this shouldn't surprise most of us, I think we all hope that they are both making extraordinary strides behind the scenes.

Hunter and Young are best suited as SFs to take Turner's spot. Heild would be AB'S backup.

Young? Seriously. Take over Turner's spot? What in Turner's game will Young do? We need to get rid of Young. It's a waste of time. Hunter on the other hand has shown some game when given some time.

[Tr1boy]

danny has lost it

Hield is in no way shape or form a 3 at the NBA level.  Just say he is a SG

Murray is a 2 with some 1 skills.  Murray is a better ball handler and has better vision than Hield

Hield has a better body now and longer wingspan

But again, he is no SF at the NBA level