Would you trade Olynyk for the 13thpick

[Beat LA]

Bigs who shoot the 3 like he does don't grow on trees, plus the way the modern NBA game is trending, that combination of size, mobility, and shooting is becoming more and more valuable each year.

I disagree.  Guys like KO are a dime-a-dozen today.  30-40 years ago, a big guy with that kind of ability was simply unheard of, but there are tons of 'stretch 4s' in the league now.  What's rare is finding a big guy who plays as a traditional 4/5.  Those are the guys I want.  Not some 7 foot dude with t-rex arms, sub par rebounding ability, at best, who can't defend and is a foul magnet, to boot.  I never understood that pick.  Ugh.

Horse puckey. Dime a dozen, gimme a break. Not many 7 footers ever, can shoot & handle like this. You take advantage of it, not ridicule him or tell him he can't do this or that. Stevens & Ainge will take this talent and maximize it in their scheme, & help him continue to develop. Meanwhile, if you're running the team, you'll sit there and strikeout draft after draft, Chris Wallace style, while looking for the traditional 4/5 that every GM dreams of. Check the league, they just aren't guaranteed & definitely don't grow on every draft tree.

First of all, TP for the laugh.  As for the rest, well, maybe it's just me, but it seems that the entire game has become inverted, where guards are suddenly better rebounders and post players, while big guys just stand outside and shoot threes for 'spacing' . I don't mind if the guy can make a midrange shot, but big guys belong inside, imo.  Otherwise, you'll never get any offensive rebounds, be able to exploit mismatches/ foul situations, prevent people from getting to the basket, or provide high percentage offense late in games.  I'm not a fan of Jahil Okafor, but it's easy to see why other people are.  You win the game inside.  That's how it always has been and that's how it will always be.  Even GS, despite their shooting, nearly lost to the Thunder because of the severe rebounding deficiency, which was a byproduct of their dumb 'switch everything' defense, but still.  Tristan Thompson killed them in game 3 and they got pounded on the boards.  You can't run if you can't get the rebound, which is what the Warriors struggle with, and if you have skilled big guys who can actually do more than be Greg Kite-like (Steven Adams), you can destroy small ball. 

I'm fine with it if a big guy can handle the ball, but again, I prefer that he played inside.  Have you seen how awkward KO looks when he dribbles?  I'm surprised he's not stripped more often, quite honestly.  It's great if a 7 footer has the vision of a guard, but big guys dribbling the ball like KO is just a bad idea; and yes, there are many guys like KO in the game, today, who do most, if not all, of their damage on the outside, such as Mirza Teletovic, Ryan Anderson, Channing Frye, Kevin Love (to an extent.  That's how he's been used in Cleveland, anyway), Porzingis, Dirk, Mirotic, I suppose that you could put Draymond Green in that conversation, too, Mirotic, Ilyasova, the Morris Twins, Patrick Patterson, Terrence Jones and Josh Smith have been used in such a capacity before, as well, Maurice Speights, although he can play inside, too, Donatas Motiejunas, Millsap, Ibaka, and Towns.  Even Horford, Bosh, Boom Boom Pau, Una Brau, Scola, and Cousins are shooting 3s now . Ugh. 

Edit - I forgot Boris Diaw.

[vjcsmoke]

13th pick will be a project player and likely worse than Olynyk.  Much as people hate on him, he can really space the floor with his shooting.  Our team is already weak at 3 point shooting, we don't need to give away what little we have.

[chiken Green]

Bigs who shoot the 3 like he does don't grow on trees, plus the way the modern NBA game is trending, that combination of size, mobility, and shooting is becoming more and more valuable each year.

I disagree.  Guys like KO are a dime-a-dozen today.  30-40 years ago, a big guy with that kind of ability was simply unheard of, but there are tons of 'stretch 4s' in the league now.  What's rare is finding a big guy who plays as a traditional 4/5.  Those are the guys I want.  Not some 7 foot dude with t-rex arms, sub par rebounding ability, at best, who can't defend and is a foul magnet, to boot.  I never understood that pick.  Ugh.

Horse puckey. Dime a dozen, gimme a break. Not many 7 footers ever, can shoot & handle like this. You take advantage of it, not ridicule him or tell him he can't do this or that. Stevens & Ainge will take this talent and maximize it in their scheme, & help him continue to develop. Meanwhile, if you're running the team, you'll sit there and strikeout draft after draft, Chris Wallace style, while looking for the traditional 4/5 that every GM dreams of. Check the league, they just aren't guaranteed & definitely don't grow on every draft tree.

First of all, TP for the laugh.  As for the rest, well, maybe it's just me, but it seems that the entire game has become inverted, where guards are suddenly better rebounders and post players, while big guys just stand outside and shoot threes for 'spacing' . I don't mind if the guy can make a midrange shot, but big guys belong inside, imo.  Otherwise, you'll never get any offensive rebounds, be able to exploit mismatches/ foul situations, prevent people from getting to the basket, or provide high percentage offense late in games.  I'm not a fan of Jahil Okafor, but it's easy to see why other people are.  You win the game inside.  That's how it always has been and that's how it will always be.  Even GS, despite their shooting, nearly lost to the Thunder because of the severe rebounding deficiency, which was a byproduct of their dumb 'switch everything' defense, but still.  Tristan Thompson killed them in game 3 and they got pounded on the boards.  You can't run if you can't get the rebound, which is what the Warriors struggle with, and if you have skilled big guys who can actually do more than be Greg Kite-like (Steven Adams), you can destroy small ball. 

I'm fine with it if a big guy can handle the ball, but again, I prefer that he played inside.  Have you seen how awkward KO looks when he dribbles?  I'm surprised he's not stripped more often, quite honestly.  It's great if a 7 footer has the vision of a guard, but big guys dribbling the ball like KO is just a bad idea; and yes, there are many guys like KO in the game, today, who do most, if not all, of their damage on the outside, such as Mirza Teletovic, Ryan Anderson, Channing Frye, Kevin Love (to an extent.  That's how he's been used in Cleveland, anyway), Porzingis, Dirk, Mirotic, I suppose that you could put Draymond Green in that conversation, too, Mirotic, Ilyasova, the Morris Twins, Patrick Patterson, Terrence Jones and Josh Smith have been used in such a capacity before, as well, Maurice Speights, although he can play inside, too, Donatas Motiejunas, Millsap, Ibaka, and Towns.  Even Horford, Bosh, Boom Boom Pau, Una Brau, Scola, and Cousins are shooting 3s now . Ugh. 

Edit - I forgot Boris Diaw.

The NBA isnt played the old Patrick Ewing way any more. Guys like Perk and Hibbert are no longer whats in.. You can easily get them off the court by using faster Outside shooting big men..   And The size of OKC was not what was beating GS... When OKC lost they were still big.. What almost lost GS that series was their superstar not being a super star.. when he came to play It was pretty much no contest..   Same issue in Game 3.. it's not the size of Cle It's the lack of Curry being Curry.

Getting rid of Kelly, (A guy who opens lanes) to put in a lane Clogging Big man ala Zeller (or Okafer)  will not win you a Title in Today's NBA..   

Using OKC is not a good example because they had 2 of the top 10 (maybe even the top 5) Players in the league on that team.. You could have been playing Center for them and they could possibly won the series if Westbrook hadn't imploded

[Beat LA]

Bigs who shoot the 3 like he does don't grow on trees, plus the way the modern NBA game is trending, that combination of size, mobility, and shooting is becoming more and more valuable each year.

I disagree.  Guys like KO are a dime-a-dozen today.  30-40 years ago, a big guy with that kind of ability was simply unheard of, but there are tons of 'stretch 4s' in the league now.  What's rare is finding a big guy who plays as a traditional 4/5.  Those are the guys I want.  Not some 7 foot dude with t-rex arms, sub par rebounding ability, at best, who can't defend and is a foul magnet, to boot.  I never understood that pick.  Ugh.

Horse puckey. Dime a dozen, gimme a break. Not many 7 footers ever, can shoot & handle like this. You take advantage of it, not ridicule him or tell him he can't do this or that. Stevens & Ainge will take this talent and maximize it in their scheme, & help him continue to develop. Meanwhile, if you're running the team, you'll sit there and strikeout draft after draft, Chris Wallace style, while looking for the traditional 4/5 that every GM dreams of. Check the league, they just aren't guaranteed & definitely don't grow on every draft tree.

First of all, TP for the laugh.  As for the rest, well, maybe it's just me, but it seems that the entire game has become inverted, where guards are suddenly better rebounders and post players, while big guys just stand outside and shoot threes for 'spacing' . I don't mind if the guy can make a midrange shot, but big guys belong inside, imo.  Otherwise, you'll never get any offensive rebounds, be able to exploit mismatches/ foul situations, prevent people from getting to the basket, or provide high percentage offense late in games.  I'm not a fan of Jahil Okafor, but it's easy to see why other people are.  You win the game inside.  That's how it always has been and that's how it will always be.  Even GS, despite their shooting, nearly lost to the Thunder because of the severe rebounding deficiency, which was a byproduct of their dumb 'switch everything' defense, but still.  Tristan Thompson killed them in game 3 and they got pounded on the boards.  You can't run if you can't get the rebound, which is what the Warriors struggle with, and if you have skilled big guys who can actually do more than be Greg Kite-like (Steven Adams), you can destroy small ball. 

I'm fine with it if a big guy can handle the ball, but again, I prefer that he played inside.  Have you seen how awkward KO looks when he dribbles?  I'm surprised he's not stripped more often, quite honestly.  It's great if a 7 footer has the vision of a guard, but big guys dribbling the ball like KO is just a bad idea; and yes, there are many guys like KO in the game, today, who do most, if not all, of their damage on the outside, such as Mirza Teletovic, Ryan Anderson, Channing Frye, Kevin Love (to an extent.  That's how he's been used in Cleveland, anyway), Porzingis, Dirk, Mirotic, I suppose that you could put Draymond Green in that conversation, too, Mirotic, Ilyasova, the Morris Twins, Patrick Patterson, Terrence Jones and Josh Smith have been used in such a capacity before, as well, Maurice Speights, although he can play inside, too, Donatas Motiejunas, Millsap, Ibaka, and Towns.  Even Horford, Bosh, Boom Boom Pau, Una Brau, Scola, and Cousins are shooting 3s now . Ugh. 

Edit - I forgot Boris Diaw.

The NBA isnt played the old Patrick Ewing way any more. Guys like Perk and Hibbert are no longer whats in.. You can easily get them off the court by using faster Outside shooting big men..   And The size of OKC was not what was beating GS... When OKC lost they were still big.. What almost lost GS that series was their superstar not being a super star.. when he came to play It was pretty much no contest..   Same issue in Game 3.. it's not the size of Cle It's the lack of Curry being Curry.

Getting rid of Kelly, (A guy who opens lanes) to put in a lane Clogging Big man ala Zeller (or Okafer)  will not win you a Title in Today's NBA..   

Using OKC is not a good example because they had 2 of the top 10 (maybe even the top 5) Players in the league on that team.. You could have been playing Center for them and they could possibly won the series if Westbrook hadn't imploded

I'm not sure that Perk was ever 'in', to be honest, and yes, of course Durant and Westbrook were killing them, but so was the collective length and size of the guys on the court.  Golden State couldn't rebound - Greg Kite was killing them on the offensive glass - but I do agree with you about Durant not coming up big when he needed to.  Neither of the dynamic duo, did, and they reverted to form - ignoring everyone else on the court and playing 1 on 5.  When they got everyone involved, Golden State was in trouble, but Durant and Westbrook are too selfish to ever understand the concept of team basketball, which is why they lost. 

As for game 3, Curry and Thompson didn't do anything in the first two games, either, and they still won quite handily, but they got destroyed on the boards again, especially by Tristan Thompson, and you just can't win with that kind of rebounding disparity.

And I'm not advocating for Zeller or Okafor types of players, because 1). Zeller simply isn't assertive at all and rarely plays inside, anyway, and 2). neither Okafor nor Zeller play any defense.  They're not the kind of center to which I was referring. 

No way that OKC could have won with me at center, btw - I'm garbage, lol .

[flybono]

I would drive him to the airport

[AngryAndIrritable]

We don't have enough three point shooting. Trading someone who can do that for another roll of the dice rookie to add to an already young roster? Nope.

I would have no problem trading him as part of a deal for a veteran who can come in and improve the team straight away.

[greece66]

I just want that 13th so dang bad, and we have #23 or #31 as a sweetener as well. Kelly's contract is almost up, do you really want to pay him big dollars, or would you rather have a rock solid prospect like Sabonis or high Upside guys like Deyonta Davis or Skal.

 If we can keep #16 we could come away with Murray, Sabonis and Valentine. That would bring lots of rebounding, shooting and passing to this team

I find the bolded part really puzzling. What are you going to do once you've got 4 first rounders (and 5 second rounders)?  (honest question)

[KG Living Legend]

 The point is I Just want #4 #13 #16 could CX care less about the other picks and I'm willing to include #23 31 35 to move up to #13.

[greece66]

 The point is I Just want #4 #13 #16 could CX care less about the other picks and I'm willing to include #23 31 35 to move up to #13.

In which case the title is misleading.
Anyway, to answer the title first, no, I do not think it is worth trading KO for #13. First, because he is likely more valuable than any player who will be available at #13 and second, because we already have plenty of young players and picks. IMHO even Hinkie would have reservations about trading a solid role player for a pick outside the top-10 in a mediocre class.

Now, regarding a potential trade of #23 +some second rounders for #13, yes this sounds interesting, and it is also the kind of move that would make sense for us (exchange quantity for quality).

Two reservations: first, the way this usually works is you trade the picks for a player if available at the given pick; which player do you want to trade for?

Second, the particulars never became fully publicised but we all remember DA tried a similar (almost certainly even more generous) quantity for quality deal last year and it failed. What makes you think PHX will be interested?

(As a side note, PHX already has plenty of young prospects and picks, ie they would rather have quality instead of quantity at this stage).

[Irish Stew]

Bigs who shoot the 3 like he does don't grow on trees, plus the way the modern NBA game is trending, that combination of size, mobility, and shooting is becoming more and more valuable each year.

Dear Beat LA,
      Please attribute the correct quote to me, which is this one above. You have credited me with an anti-Olylnyk quote in reply #33.

[greece66]

Bigs who shoot the 3 like he does don't grow on trees, plus the way the modern NBA game is trending, that combination of size, mobility, and shooting is becoming more and more valuable each year.

Dear Beat LA,
      Please attribute the correct quote to me, which is this one above. You have credited me with an anti-Olylnyk quote in reply #33.

as far as i can tell, the quote is fine; it's just too many quotes together and it looks very confusing indeed.

[Smokeeye123]

Olynyk is better than anyone we'd get. Plus we don't need 4 1st round picks this year, that's ridiculous.

[mctyson]

For perspective, before KO the last ten #13 picks were Kendall Marshall, Markieff Morris, Ed Davis, Tyler Hansbrough, Brandon Rush, Julian Wright, Thabo Sefolosha, Sean May, Sebastian Telfair and Marcus Banks.

KO is far superior to pretty much all of those guys.

[mctyson]

It's great if a 7 footer has the vision of a guard, but big guys dribbling the ball like KO is just a bad idea; and yes, there are many guys like KO in the game, today, who do most, if not all, of their damage on the outside, such as Mirza Teletovic, Ryan Anderson, Channing Frye, Kevin Love (to an extent.  That's how he's been used in Cleveland, anyway), Porzingis, Dirk, Mirotic, I suppose that you could put Draymond Green in that conversation, too, Mirotic, Ilyasova, the Morris Twins, Patrick Patterson, Terrence Jones and Josh Smith have been used in such a capacity before, as well, Maurice Speights, although he can play inside, too, Donatas Motiejunas, Millsap, Ibaka, and Towns.  Even Horford, Bosh, Boom Boom Pau, Una Brau, Scola, and Cousins are shooting 3s now . Ugh. 

Edit - I forgot Boris Diaw.

Mirotic is the only comp I see on that list and if he were available for a trade this blog would go nuts to get him.  KO is just as talented.

[cltc5]

In a heartbeat.  Sick of jelly o