Would you trade Olynyk for the 13thpick

[KG Living Legend]

 I just want that 13th so dang bad, and we have #23 or #31 as a sweetener as well. Kelly's contract is almost up, do you really want to pay him big dollars, or would you rather have a rock solid prospect like Sabonis or high Upside guys like Deyonta Davis or Skal.

 If we can keep #16 we could come away with Murray, Sabonis and Valentine. That would bring lots of rebounding, shooting and passing to this team

Agreed in terms of wanting 13, but Murray, Sabonis, and Valentine bring next to no defense, although Sabonis is probably the best of the three, which isn't saying much, lol . Why not just trade IT for 13?

 We don't need defense except for a Whiteside.

 Murray is a perfect fit because he's a future top 15 scorer in the NBA. That's what we need.

[86MaxwellSmart]

So are we gonna keep on developing our guys for 3 years, then trade them for other guys to develop for 3 years...?

I say NO.

[Irish Stew]

Bigs who shoot the 3 like he does don't grow on trees, plus the way the modern NBA game is trending, that combination of size, mobility, and shooting is becoming more and more valuable each year.

[Beat LA]

 I just want that 13th so dang bad, and we have #23 or #31 as a sweetener as well. Kelly's contract is almost up, do you really want to pay him big dollars, or would you rather have a rock solid prospect like Sabonis or high Upside guys like Deyonta Davis or Skal.

 If we can keep #16 we could come away with Murray, Sabonis and Valentine. That would bring lots of rebounding, shooting and passing to this team

Agreed in terms of wanting 13, but Murray, Sabonis, and Valentine bring next to no defense, although Sabonis is probably the best of the three, which isn't saying much, lol . Why not just trade IT for 13?

 We don't need defense except for a Whiteside.

 Murray is a perfect fit because he's a future top 15 scorer in the NBA. That's what we need.

Wow, top 15 scorer, huh?  What makes you so sure of that?  Besides, even if he is a great scorer, he'll never get playing time because of his lack of defense.

[Beat LA]

Bigs who shoot the 3 like he does don't grow on trees, plus the way the modern NBA game is trending, that combination of size, mobility, and shooting is becoming more and more valuable each year.

I disagree.  Guys like KO are a dime-a-dozen today.  30-40 years ago, a big guy with that kind of ability was simply unheard of, but there are tons of 'stretch 4s' in the league now.  What's rare is finding a big guy who plays as a traditional 4/5.  Those are the guys I want.  Not some 7 foot dude with t-rex arms, sub par rebounding ability, at best, who can't defend on the outside nor the interior and is a foul magnet, to boot.  I never understood that pick.  Ugh.

[aingeforthree]

Bigs who shoot the 3 like he does don't grow on trees, plus the way the modern NBA game is trending, that combination of size, mobility, and shooting is becoming more and more valuable each year.

I disagree.  Guys like KO are a dime-a-dozen today.  30-40 years ago, a big guy with that kind of ability was simply unheard of, but there are tons of 'stretch 4s' in the league now.  What's rare is finding a big guy who plays as a traditional 4/5.  Those are the guys I want.  Not some 7 foot dude with t-rex arms, sub par rebounding ability, at best, who can't defend and is a foul magnet, to boot.  I never understood that pick.  Ugh.

Horse puckey. Dime a dozen, gimme a break. Not many 7 footers ever, can shoot & handle like this. You take advantage of it, not ridicule him or tell him he can't do this or that. Stevens & Ainge will take this talent and maximize it in their scheme, & help him continue to develop. Meanwhile, if you're running the team, you'll sit there and strikeout draft after draft, Chris Wallace style, while looking for the traditional 4/5 that every GM dreams of. Check the league, they just aren't guaranteed & definitely don't grow on every draft tree.

[alldaboston]

 I just want that 13th so dang bad, and we have #23 or #31 as a sweetener as well. Kelly's contract is almost up, do you really want to pay him big dollars, or would you rather have a rock solid prospect like Sabonis or high Upside guys like Deyonta Davis or Skal.

 If we can keep #16 we could come away with Murray, Sabonis and Valentine. That would bring lots of rebounding, shooting and passing to this team

Agreed in terms of wanting 13, but Murray, Sabonis, and Valentine bring next to no defense, although Sabonis is probably the best of the three, which isn't saying much, lol . Why not just trade IT for 13?

 We don't need defense except for a Whiteside.

 Murray is a perfect fit because he's a future top 15 scorer in the NBA. That's what we need.

Wow, top 15 scorer, huh?  What makes you so sure of that?  Besides, even if he is a great scorer, he'll never get playing time because of his lack of defense.

There are tons of scorers in the NBA who get PT even though they don't play good defense.

He might not get that PT in Boston with coach Brad, but he definitely will get it with other teams. He might even get it with Brad because you can tell that he actually tries on D. I think the defensive concerns are a little overblown, personally.

[BDeCosta26]

Bigs who shoot the 3 like he does don't grow on trees, plus the way the modern NBA game is trending, that combination of size, mobility, and shooting is becoming more and more valuable each year.

I disagree.  Guys like KO are a dime-a-dozen today.  30-40 years ago, a big guy with that kind of ability was simply unheard of, but there are tons of 'stretch 4s' in the league now.  What's rare is finding a big guy who plays as a traditional 4/5.  Those are the guys I want.  Not some 7 foot dude with t-rex arms, sub par rebounding ability, at best, who can't defend on the outside nor the interior and is a foul magnet, to boot.  I never understood that pick.  Ugh.

While it's certainly true that it's easier to find bigs who can shoot now a days, a guy with Olynyk's skill-set is pretty hard to find. Dude is basically a 7 foot PG.

Olynyk can shoot the 3 at an almost elite rate, something other "stretch bigs" can rarely accomplish, and on top of that he can beat people off the dribble, is an excellent passer, and showed huge improvement in terms of go-to scoring moves this season. Up until the injury, he had really become a very important player for this team's offense.

Now, his defense is sub-par, but it's undeniable he's made real strides in that area. He's not Okafor, he has the mobility to cover 4's, something he did adequately this season and he has gotten much better with positional defense when he's at the 5. He's still getting burned on the P&R, but I don't think he's ever gonna be a plus in that regard.

Olynyk is a good player. This is a dude who put up 25+ points on a Warriors team that is historically great. The talent is there, and he's made real strides the past couple seasons. Plus, I think he can be retained on a reasonable deal come next summer. When you see how important Frye has been to Cleveland this playoffs, it reminds you of the value in having a guy like Olynyk, who I think could be a better version of Frye. Not ever big is meant to shoot 3's and not every big is meant to bang down low.

For a guy picked in the middle of the 1st round, I think he's pretty dang good. Could be a heck of a role player, and consistently gave us another scoring option last year before the injury. I know you love to be salty at DA for picking Olynyk over GA, but you can't deny that Olynyk has become a very useful player in his own right.

[BDeCosta26]

 I just want that 13th so dang bad, and we have #23 or #31 as a sweetener as well. Kelly's contract is almost up, do you really want to pay him big dollars, or would you rather have a rock solid prospect like Sabonis or high Upside guys like Deyonta Davis or Skal.

 If we can keep #16 we could come away with Murray, Sabonis and Valentine. That would bring lots of rebounding, shooting and passing to this team

Agreed in terms of wanting 13, but Murray, Sabonis, and Valentine bring next to no defense, although Sabonis is probably the best of the three, which isn't saying much, lol . Why not just trade IT for 13?

 We don't need defense except for a Whiteside.

 Murray is a perfect fit because he's a future top 15 scorer in the NBA. That's what we need.

Wow, top 15 scorer, huh?  What makes you so sure of that?  Besides, even if he is a great scorer, he'll never get playing time because of his lack of defense.

There are tons of scorers in the NBA who get PT even though they don't play good defense.

He might not get that PT in Boston with coach Brad, but he definitely will get it with other teams. He might even get it with Brad because you can tell that he actually tries on D. I think the defensive concerns are a little overblown, personally.

The thing with Murray is that, at the end of the day, Stevens isn't going to play a rookie very much if he can't defend. And considering that Murray isn't a better ball-handler than IT, Smart, Rozier or Turner, I just don't see a place for him on this team other than as a guy who parks on the perimeter and shoots off-ball 3's.

And that's fine. Not everyone can be a play-maker. But with the 3rd pick in the draft, I'm not sure I wanna use that on a guy who can't create his own shot, make plays for others, or defend. You'll be disappointed when all he's doing is hitting a couple open 3's a game like Kyle Korver.

[Beat LA]

 I just want that 13th so dang bad, and we have #23 or #31 as a sweetener as well. Kelly's contract is almost up, do you really want to pay him big dollars, or would you rather have a rock solid prospect like Sabonis or high Upside guys like Deyonta Davis or Skal.

 If we can keep #16 we could come away with Murray, Sabonis and Valentine. That would bring lots of rebounding, shooting and passing to this team

Agreed in terms of wanting 13, but Murray, Sabonis, and Valentine bring next to no defense, although Sabonis is probably the best of the three, which isn't saying much, lol . Why not just trade IT for 13?

 We don't need defense except for a Whiteside.

 Murray is a perfect fit because he's a future top 15 scorer in the NBA. That's what we need.

Wow, top 15 scorer, huh?  What makes you so sure of that?  Besides, even if he is a great scorer, he'll never get playing time because of his lack of defense.

There are tons of scorers in the NBA who get PT even though they don't play good defense.

He might not get that PT in Boston with coach Brad, but he definitely will get it with other teams. He might even get it with Brad because you can tell that he actually tries on D. I think the defensive concerns are a little overblown, personally.

I'm well aware of that, but Rozier is a far better defensive player, ball handler, and athlete to Murray and he barely got time this year.  That's all I'm saying.  I just don't think that he'll see any time because Stevens prefers more will than skill players, unfortunately . We'd be able to play Murray, and other solid, but perhaps not perfect, by Stevens' standards, anyway, defenders if we had a shot blocker to anchor our defense, but unless that is addressed, and I doubt that it will be, unfortunately, I just doubt that Murray will see any time.  Plus, I'm skeptical that Kentucky players are what their stats say, so to speak.  Besides, what position does he play, and more importantly, which one of the guard spots can he, well, guard, if either at all.  I just don't want to look back in a few years and see James Young, who has the tools but not the mindset to defend, and then look at Murray and say that the effort was there, but he just didn't have the tools to defend, lol.  Someone get me a blender .

[Beat LA]

 I just want that 13th so dang bad, and we have #23 or #31 as a sweetener as well. Kelly's contract is almost up, do you really want to pay him big dollars, or would you rather have a rock solid prospect like Sabonis or high Upside guys like Deyonta Davis or Skal.

 If we can keep #16 we could come away with Murray, Sabonis and Valentine. That would bring lots of rebounding, shooting and passing to this team

Agreed in terms of wanting 13, but Murray, Sabonis, and Valentine bring next to no defense, although Sabonis is probably the best of the three, which isn't saying much, lol . Why not just trade IT for 13?

 We don't need defense except for a Whiteside.

 Murray is a perfect fit because he's a future top 15 scorer in the NBA. That's what we need.

Wow, top 15 scorer, huh?  What makes you so sure of that?  Besides, even if he is a great scorer, he'll never get playing time because of his lack of defense.

There are tons of scorers in the NBA who get PT even though they don't play good defense.

He might not get that PT in Boston with coach Brad, but he definitely will get it with other teams. He might even get it with Brad because you can tell that he actually tries on D. I think the defensive concerns are a little overblown, personally.

The thing with Murray is that, at the end of the day, Stevens isn't going to play a rookie very much if he can't defend. And considering that Murray isn't a better ball-handler than IT, Smart, Rozier or Turner, I just don't see a place for him on this team other than as a guy who parks on the perimeter and shoots off-ball 3's.

And that's fine. Not everyone can be a play-maker. But with the 3rd pick in the draft, I'm not sure I wanna use that on a guy who can't create his own shot, make plays for others, or defend. You'll be disappointed when all he's doing is hitting a couple open 3's a game like Kyle Korver.

That's a pretty low bar, lol , so if it's true, we should probably stay away from the guy.  We need talent, pure and simple, but we also need talent in the form of two-way players.  Right now, we have Isaiah who can score but not defend and has tunnel vision oftentimes, ugh, Bradley, who can defend, shoot, and move well without the ball (well, he used to, anyway.  Stevens doesn't take advantage of this, imo), but can't dribble or pass, and Smart who can, umm, flop (Rozier hasn't gotten enough time, yet, so that's why I haven't mentioned him)?  Lol, it'd be nice to have one player who could do all of those things, or at least most of them, anyway.  It'd save us some roster spots .

[BDeCosta26]

 I just want that 13th so dang bad, and we have #23 or #31 as a sweetener as well. Kelly's contract is almost up, do you really want to pay him big dollars, or would you rather have a rock solid prospect like Sabonis or high Upside guys like Deyonta Davis or Skal.

 If we can keep #16 we could come away with Murray, Sabonis and Valentine. That would bring lots of rebounding, shooting and passing to this team

Agreed in terms of wanting 13, but Murray, Sabonis, and Valentine bring next to no defense, although Sabonis is probably the best of the three, which isn't saying much, lol . Why not just trade IT for 13?

 We don't need defense except for a Whiteside.

 Murray is a perfect fit because he's a future top 15 scorer in the NBA. That's what we need.

Wow, top 15 scorer, huh?  What makes you so sure of that?  Besides, even if he is a great scorer, he'll never get playing time because of his lack of defense.

There are tons of scorers in the NBA who get PT even though they don't play good defense.

He might not get that PT in Boston with coach Brad, but he definitely will get it with other teams. He might even get it with Brad because you can tell that he actually tries on D. I think the defensive concerns are a little overblown, personally.

The thing with Murray is that, at the end of the day, Stevens isn't going to play a rookie very much if he can't defend. And considering that Murray isn't a better ball-handler than IT, Smart, Rozier or Turner, I just don't see a place for him on this team other than as a guy who parks on the perimeter and shoots off-ball 3's.

And that's fine. Not everyone can be a play-maker. But with the 3rd pick in the draft, I'm not sure I wanna use that on a guy who can't create his own shot, make plays for others, or defend. You'll be disappointed when all he's doing is hitting a couple open 3's a game like Kyle Korver.

That's a pretty low bar, lol , so if it's true, we should probably stay away from the guy.  We need talent, pure and simple, but we also need talent in the form of two-way players.  Right now, we have Isaiah who can score but not defend and has tunnel vision oftentimes, ugh, Bradley, who can defend, shoot, and move well without the ball (well, he used to, anyway.  Stevens doesn't take advantage of this, imo), but can't dribble or pass, and Smart who can, umm, flop (Rozier hasn't gotten enough time, yet, so that's why I haven't mentioned him)?  Lol, it'd be nice to have one player who could do all of those things, or at least most of them, anyway.  It'd save us some roster spots .

Smart very clearly is a good ball-handler. He's not above average at driving to the hoop, but he's got above average court vision, passing ability and has clearly made strides in his first two seasons at running an offense. The thing holding Smart back is his shooting, especially on a team with Thomas and Turner handling the ball most of the time. The time has come to put the 2nd unit into Smart/Rozier's hands.

Murray complicates this even more. He's not a guy who's gonna run the offense. He's a great shooter who doesn't do a whole lot else. I agree we need more two way guys, but it's foolish to think that Smart, Thomas or Bradley is hurting us because they can't do everything on the court. Still, Murray just doesn't fit here. I'd rather have Hield, Brown, Chriss or Bender even over him.

[KG Living Legend]

 If anyone is a one trick pony it's Hield. A great trick, but still just one trick.

 Remember Murray is 19 and a better ball handler than Hield, Better passer he will prove that in the NBA, and his shooting was much better than Hield at the same age.

 Way more Upside for Murray IMO.

[Ilikesports17]

 I just want that 13th so dang bad, and we have #23 or #31 as a sweetener as well. Kelly's contract is almost up, do you really want to pay him big dollars, or would you rather have a rock solid prospect like Sabonis or high Upside guys like Deyonta Davis or Skal.

 If we can keep #16 we could come away with Murray, Sabonis and Valentine. That would bring lots of rebounding, shooting and passing to this team

Agreed in terms of wanting 13, but Murray, Sabonis, and Valentine bring next to no defense, although Sabonis is probably the best of the three, which isn't saying much, lol . Why not just trade IT for 13?

 We don't need defense except for a Whiteside.

 Murray is a perfect fit because he's a future top 15 scorer in the NBA. That's what we need.

Wow, top 15 scorer, huh?  What makes you so sure of that?  Besides, even if he is a great scorer, he'll never get playing time because of his lack of defense.

There are tons of scorers in the NBA who get PT even though they don't play good defense.

He might not get that PT in Boston with coach Brad, but he definitely will get it with other teams. He might even get it with Brad because you can tell that he actually tries on D. I think the defensive concerns are a little overblown, personally.

The thing with Murray is that, at the end of the day, Stevens isn't going to play a rookie very much if he can't defend. And considering that Murray isn't a better ball-handler than IT, Smart, Rozier or Turner, I just don't see a place for him on this team other than as a guy who parks on the perimeter and shoots off-ball 3's.

And that's fine. Not everyone can be a play-maker. But with the 3rd pick in the draft, I'm not sure I wanna use that on a guy who can't create his own shot, make plays for others, or defend. You'll be disappointed when all he's doing is hitting a couple open 3's a game like Kyle Korver.

That's a pretty low bar, lol , so if it's true, we should probably stay away from the guy.  We need talent, pure and simple, but we also need talent in the form of two-way players.  Right now, we have Isaiah who can score but not defend and has tunnel vision oftentimes, ugh, Bradley, who can defend, shoot, and move well without the ball (well, he used to, anyway.  Stevens doesn't take advantage of this, imo), but can't dribble or pass, and Smart who can, umm, flop (Rozier hasn't gotten enough time, yet, so that's why I haven't mentioned him)?  Lol, it'd be nice to have one player who could do all of those things, or at least most of them, anyway.  It'd save us some roster spots .

Warriors
Trailblazers
Clippers
Raptors
Suns?
Wizards?
Id argue that backcourt you just **** all over is a top 7 backcourt and top 10 at worst

Lol

And if they aren't top 7 then Brad Stevens deserves a man of the year award cus his frontcourt of Sully and Amir certainly didn't carry us to 48 wins.

[KG Living Legend]

 I just want that 13th so dang bad, and we have #23 or #31 as a sweetener as well. Kelly's contract is almost up, do you really want to pay him big dollars, or would you rather have a rock solid prospect like Sabonis or high Upside guys like Deyonta Davis or Skal.

 If we can keep #16 we could come away with Murray, Sabonis and Valentine. That would bring lots of rebounding, shooting and passing to this team

Agreed in terms of wanting 13, but Murray, Sabonis, and Valentine bring next to no defense, although Sabonis is probably the best of the three, which isn't saying much, lol . Why not just trade IT for 13?

 We don't need defense except for a Whiteside.

 Murray is a perfect fit because he's a future top 15 scorer in the NBA. That's what we need.

Wow, top 15 scorer, huh?  What makes you so sure of that?  Besides, even if he is a great scorer, he'll never get playing time because of his lack of defense.

There are tons of scorers in the NBA who get PT even though they don't play good defense.

He might not get that PT in Boston with coach Brad, but he definitely will get it with other teams. He might even get it with Brad because you can tell that he actually tries on D. I think the defensive concerns are a little overblown, personally.

I'm well aware of that, but Rozier is a far better defensive player, ball handler, and athlete to Murray and he barely got time this year.  That's all I'm saying.  I just don't think that he'll see any time because Stevens prefers more will than skill players, unfortunately . We'd be able to play Murray, and other solid, but perhaps not perfect, by Stevens' standards, anyway, defenders if we had a shot blocker to anchor our defense, but unless that is addressed, and I doubt that it will be, unfortunately, I just doubt that Murray will see any time.  Plus, I'm skeptical that Kentucky players are what their stats say, so to speak.  Besides, what position does he play, and more importantly, which one of the guard spots can he, well, guard, if either at all.  I just don't want to look back in a few years and see James Young, who has the tools but not the mindset to defend, and then look at Murray and say that the effort was there, but he just didn't have the tools to defend, lol.  Someone get me a blender .

 Murray has the It factor. His freshman year was historic.

 If we pick Murray #3 he gets serious minutes this year. He Must play him. He played Smart a ton. Murray will quickly become are second best offensive player. With the potential to be the best in a year or two.