Feedback on:My Mistakes,Get Jabari+Okafor&get both BKN+C's 17' picks

[Future Celtics Owner]

I have been against making the playoffs while using veteran players that are not in our immediate future or even long-term future(3 years now). Many here know how I harped on and on about DA's mistake in not trading/releasing/cutting/buying out: Bass, Gigi, and Jonas at the 2015 deadline. And even at one point I posted that I wish he cut Crowder as well.
-I also made a point to draft Upshaw at 16 if Ainge and Brad and med staff liked him, though it was briefly and I made it clear that we should get him as late as possible. After watching the guys I basically scouted for 2 years, like Towns and Turner, become out of our reach(unless a trade to move up for Turner) at 16 I scouted Upshaw with his 7'7'' wingspan and 9'5'' standing reach. It seems now like strong Opiods and another equally harmful drug may have been involved and he never really put a stretch of sobriety together.

Basically I've made mistakes and want to learn from them.
 I am going to act as if I'm DA and my goal is to build a long-term championship team that CBS and co. can mold and grow with over the years.

So please give me your honest feedback on:
-the hypothetical off-season strategy that I am going to put in place for us
- outcomes and opportunities for us in the 2016 and 2017 draft.
-Take overlooked/under-performing players and create value and demand to sell high
-The ability for our CORE players to improve
-Getting BKN and Celtic's 2017 first rounders, and what we need to do, beside conveying a 2017 first, to have them accept

If you have a bias or do not know enough to comment on a certain player just be honest and say so and why. Remember I do not know exactly what teams want or are willing to give up, but I would appreciate your feedback if you think we are giving up too much or if you think it is not enough.

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Jahlil Okafor
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#3
This would be my first move and IMO the most important. Knowing that we have Okafor gives me the option to search the league for another long-term core player. If it costs too much then I would wait for the right opportunity but I would be worried about IT and AB's contract negotiation in 2 years and IMO they are worth much more now.

IT and AB
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Jabari Parker, John Henson, 2017 first(to convey to BKN)

We can create value with Henson and then trade him. He also gives Brad a legit Center to play over Okafor if Jahlil is not playing hard or well. Henson should be in his prime and if given the minutes can compete for most blocks, he averaged 2bpg in 16mpg.
Jabari, IMO, like Okafor has a great stroke and it's just a matter of time before he starts nailing his shots from 3.

Sign RFA Allen Crabbe

Crabbe will cost over 10mil and maybe we can do a sign and trade but signing him gets us more value than trading for Jimmy Butler or someone else in that range.
Crabbe is a legit defender and can definitely be our guy at the 2 for 3 and D. He also is 6'7'', 6'11'' wingspan, and can defend multiple positions and he just turned 24.

Get BKN and Celt's 2017 first round picks
We will have to convey a 2017 pick to them, and because this is very complicated situation I really would need to defer to others. But the Net's do need prospects and we do have a ton of 2nd rounders this year and guys like RJ Hunter, 23rd pick this year, and etc. IDK what do you think?

Draft Tim Luwawu @ 16He is everything we need at the swing position and we should take a chance on him if he is available.

Possibly trade Crowder to Pelicans for a package based around the #6. Depends on if our guy is at 6 or maybe we can get multiple picks like #6 and a 2018 first. Hield may be a good selection at 6 or Bender could fall.

2017 Draft
either trade our 2 picks for a legit 4,or depending on how things play out we could possibly select Dennis Smith Jr and Bam Bam

Next Year Starting Line-up

Smart/Rozier
Allen Crabbe/Luwawu
Crowder/Parker/Luwawu
Jabari Parker/KO
Jahlil Okafor/Henson

Jabari should be playing 3 but Crowder and Jabari could switch on give nights until we get a legit 4 or someone steps up. What do you think.
If we did the Crowder trade and got Hield he could be 6th man.

[LooseCannon]

Poor defense from Parker/Okafor plus the potential for pathetic three-point shooting seems like a good strategy for missing the playoffs.

[Evantime34]

Would the Celtics be giving the Brooklyn pick next year to Milwaukee in addition to Bradley and Thomas? I don't think we would need to include that. As is, I think that trade would cost us a bunch of wins next year.

That team would have a high upside, but might not have enough shooting (even with Crabbe). We also wouldn't be able to go small as often which Stevens seems to like.

[BitterJim]

I'd rather trade the #3 for Jabari (although it would take more to get him, and I'm not sure how much I'd be willing to give them), and keep IT and AB

As for a deal for the Celtics 2017 pick, I'd rather go after the Knicks 2017 pick.  They're looking to trade into this draft, and I think a package based around #16, #23, and possibly a young guy (Rozier?) for the Knicks 2017 pick could be a possibility.  I'd be willing to bet that the Knicks miss the playoffs next year, and could see Phil making a gamble that they make it

[Future Celtics Owner]

Poor defense from Parker/Okafor plus the potential for pathetic three-point shooting seems like a good strategy for missing the playoffs.

I get where your coming from, and that's the general consensus. It's just my opinion from watching them play over the years that they indeed have very good basketball strokes and skill on offense.

If/when Jabari starts hitting 3's his stock will be extremely high IMO, especially since the main concern with him coming in the NBA was his athleticism and he proved everyone wrong with that. And when this happens we will be unbelievably happy we have him.

Okafor did very well for a legit BIG guy at 280lbs solid and is actually IMO much quicker than people give him credit for.
Here is a video on him, check out his ability to handle the ball/palm it, how quick he is and nimble in the post, and most importantly how he strokes the ball. If he did not have a good stroke then I would not be nearly as interested. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZihwmQ3PaC8

I do believe we would miss the playoffs but I've been wrong before and counted CBS out. If Jabari and Okafor take the leap that I expect then we are looking pretty dang good.

[Future Celtics Owner]

Would the Celtics be giving the Brooklyn pick next year to Milwaukee in addition to Bradley and Thomas? I don't think we would need to include that. As is, I think that trade would cost us a bunch of wins next year.

That team would have a high upside, but might not have enough shooting (even with Crabbe). We also wouldn't be able to go small as often which Stevens seems to like.

No we keep the BKN pick.
Ya I agree it prob would cost us a lot of wins but that's why I would try and get both the Nets pick and our pick and convey another 2017 first rounder plus extras to BKN.  But if Jabari and Okafor take a leap then IDK about missing the playoffs. I've counted CBS and this team out before.

But like I said it is for a solid foundation and legit super talents to put around Brad Stevens and grow with him.

What do you think about Tim Luwawu? He got a few assist per game this year to go along with 15ppg 5 rpg good steals and great 3pt shooting.

Also in this situation would you trade Crowder for Hield(and w/e makes it work) if we dealt with the Pelicans for #6 or do you think Crowder is worth more?

[Future Celtics Owner]

I'd rather trade the #3 for Jabari (although it would take more to get him, and I'm not sure how much I'd be willing to give them), and keep IT and AB

As for a deal for the Celtics 2017 pick, I'd rather go after the Knicks 2017 pick.  They're looking to trade into this draft, and I think a package based around #16, #23, and possibly a young guy (Rozier?) for the Knicks 2017 pick could be a possibility.  I'd be willing to bet that the Knicks miss the playoffs next year, and could see Phil making a gamble that they make it

I like Okafor and think he did great for a rookie with his size. He has a unique skill-set and is big enough and long enough to play a high caliber of defense at the CENTER position.

I agree with the KNicks and thats good looking into the future. I was saying that we should get our pick if we do these trades bc we will be essentially be getting rid of all the VETS, although we would have more talent.

[LooseCannon]

Poor defense from Parker/Okafor plus the potential for pathetic three-point shooting seems like a good strategy for missing the playoffs.

I get where your coming from, and that's the general consensus. It's just my opinion from watching them play over the years that they indeed have very good basketball strokes and skill on offense.

If/when Jabari starts hitting 3's his stock will be extremely high IMO, especially since the main concern with him coming in the NBA was his athleticism and he proved everyone wrong with that. And when this happens we will be unbelievably happy we have him.

Okafor did very well for a legit BIG guy at 280lbs solid and is actually IMO much quicker than people give him credit for.
Here is a video on him, check out his ability to handle the ball/palm it, how quick he is and nimble in the post, and most importantly how he strokes the ball. If he did not have a good stroke then I would not be nearly as interested. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZihwmQ3PaC8

I do believe we would miss the playoffs but I've been wrong before and counted CBS out. If Jabari and Okafor take the leap that I expect then we are looking pretty dang good.

The knock on Parker when drafted wasn't that he was unathletic, it was that he was a tweener who couldn't guard either forward position and who didn't seem like he was going to be a good enough three-point shooter to compensate for poor defense.  I don't think Parker did anything this past season to suggest that his defense is better than Jared Sullinger's conditioning.

Take a look at how Parker and Monroe work together in Milwaukee.  I think Parker and Okafor has a good chance of turning out worse.  I'd take Parker and Okafor as role players if you didn't spend the sort of resources on them that would make you feel obligated to start them.  I wouldn't build a team around them.  In fact, they're kind of the opposite of the players I would want to build around at the PF/C spots. 

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Let's say we do all of that: are we any better off? Are we contenders? Are we top 3 in the east? In their prime, are we?

I don't think we are have a much higher ceiling as a team than our current group. Just because there is a lot of dust, doesn't mean the wagon is making it very far or going very fast. Just because there are a lot of trades with trendy names doesn't mean we are any better off.

[vjcsmoke]

We would get a lot worse defensively with Parker and Okafor on the team.
We also lose a leader and clutch scorer in IT.
I don't think it makes sense for an extreme rebuild.
I also don't just give away Crowder.  Parker is already a bad defender, you need a guy like Crowder to counter blance that.

Parker at the 3 - below average defender.    Crowder small ball 4 - above average defender against 3's, holds his own vs 4s who aren't exceedingly long.

Okafor is a terrible defender at the 5.  Amir is above average defender at the 4.

Still having 2 out of 5 bad defenders doesn't help.

Losing IT also means we have to throw one of either Marcus Smart or Rozier into the fire.  Not sure how confident I feel about that working out.

Overall I'm going to pass.

[nickagneta]

First you admit that you made mistakes in saying we should have tanked and given away talent to land high picks to develop, then, your way of fixing that is to give away an All-Star PG, the best defensive guard in the league(players both entering their prime) and the number three pick for players that if the Celtics had tanked, you would have wanted the Celtics taking them the last two years in the first place. So you trade away production for potential and make the team younger and worse.

So in other words, you put the Celtics right back to where they would have been if they had tanked and chosen the players you wanted in the last two drafts. How is that admitting a mistake if all you are advocating for is to trade into a position we would have been in right now if we had done what you suggested in the first place years ago?

Milwaukee loves Parker. They aren't trading him any time soon.

Okafor and Parker are poor defenders who cant switch and guard multiple positions. Stevens won't like that. Ainge has gone out of his way to say this team needs more exceptional two way players. Neither Okafor or Jabari are two way players.

Everything about these suggestions smells of a youth reset, which this team does not need. This just sounds like you wanting to go back to developing through the last few drafts and continue to try to get better through youth infusion rather than through trades for established talent.