Ford & Pelton - What do the C's do with their pick?

[Vermont Green]

If I were Ainge, I might call the Denver Nuggets about their centers Nikola Jokic and Jusuf Nurkic. If Denver doesn't believe they can play together, either would be an interesting prospect to add to the Celtics' frontcourt. Nurkic for the No. 3 in a down draft probably would be reasonable value.

Yes!

Yes, please!!! Do it now!

Really?  Nurkic for the #3?  What am I missing?  I guess I don't know enough about him other than he is big.  Maybe James Young and the #16?

[hodgy03038]

If I were Ainge, I might call the Denver Nuggets about their centers Nikola Jokic and Jusuf Nurkic. If Denver doesn't believe they can play together, either would be an interesting prospect to add to the Celtics' frontcourt. Nurkic for the No. 3 in a down draft probably would be reasonable value.

Yes!

Yes, please!!! Do it now!

Really?  Nurkic for the #3?  What am I missing?  I guess I don't know enough about him other than he is big.  Maybe James Young and the #16?

#3 for Nurkic is an extreme overpay. Vermont's offer is more realistic.

[PickNRoll]

If I were Ainge, I might call the Denver Nuggets about their centers Nikola Jokic and Jusuf Nurkic. If Denver doesn't believe they can play together, either would be an interesting prospect to add to the Celtics' frontcourt. Nurkic for the No. 3 in a down draft probably would be reasonable value.

Yes!

Yes, please!!! Do it now!

Really?  Nurkic for the #3?  What am I missing?  I guess I don't know enough about him other than he is big.  Maybe James Young and the #16?

I think he meant Jokic.  God, I hope he meant Jokic.

[LarBrd33]

This forum would lose its mind if the C's traded the #3 for Nurkic.

Yep... key parts are...

Ford: 

Let's start with the possibility of a trade. I certainly think they should explore it. They are a 48-win team in search of a star to lead the team. And if they keep the pick, I don't think they find that guy with the No. 3 pick.

Don't get me wrong, there will be a very good player there for them. But a lead guy to build around? I don't really see it.

And Pelton:

Nurkic for the No. 3 in a down draft is probably reasonable value.

[LarBrd33]

TP.....sad but realistic options for the C's

They are only realistic options if we feel like getting fleeced. Both the Denver trade proposal and the Chicago proposal are awful.

Pelton instantly lost all credibility with me when I read #3 for Nurkic straight up... Might be one of the worst trade proposals I've ever read

For real.

I guess it sums up how they see this draft.

To Nurkic's credit, he got a lot of buzz his rookie season.  He was seen as one of the best young players in the draft. 

And I guess that backs up my theory that the #3 pick in this draft is seen as being on the same tier as the 10-16th pick was seen in 2014.  Quality players that should develop into starters, but have no star potential. 

Looking forward to Chad Ford's Draft Tier article.   His suggestion that Boston should give up #3, #16, Jerebko AND Isaiah Thomas for Jimmy Butler probably gives you a hint in what he's hearing from scouts/front offices.   If he sees the upgrade from all-star Thomas to all-star Butler requiring the #3 pick... that's interesting.   Neither is a superstar.

[mctyson]

This forum would lose its mind if the C's traded the #3 for Nurkic.

I would lose my mind if this happened:

The No. 3 pick, Isaiah Thomas and Jonas Jerebko for Jimmy Butler.


and in a bad way.

[LarBrd33]

This forum would lose its mind if the C's traded the #3 for Nurkic.

I would lose my mind if this happened:

The No. 3 pick, Isaiah Thomas and Jonas Jerebko for Jimmy Butler.


and in a bad way.

Not sure if that speaks more to how overrated Jimmy Butler is, how underrated Isaiah Thomas is... or how little anyone thinks of the projected role players available at #3.

[mctyson]

No knowledge of the situation here in Boston and they open their mouth.
Hate those type of people. Click bait (a paid one to top it off).
Pathetic

Can you please elaborate on what the situation in Boston is?

I think he means that any Celtics fan with half-a-brain knows Danny would never give up our only All-Star from a 48-win team and our #3 pick (and our most versatile big) for one Jimmy Butler.  That Chad Ford mentioned that is embarrassing.

[mctyson]

This forum would lose its mind if the C's traded the #3 for Nurkic.

I would lose my mind if this happened:

The No. 3 pick, Isaiah Thomas and Jonas Jerebko for Jimmy Butler.


and in a bad way.

Not sure if that speaks more to how overrated Jimmy Butler is, how underrated Isaiah Thomas is... or how little anyone thinks of the projected role players available at #3.

In my view it's the overrating of Jimmy Butler. 

[Ilikesports17]

This forum would lose its mind if the C's traded the #3 for Nurkic.

I would lose my mind if this happened:

The No. 3 pick, Isaiah Thomas and Jonas Jerebko for Jimmy Butler.


and in a bad way.

Not sure if that speaks more to how overrated Jimmy Butler is, how underrated Isaiah Thomas is... or how little anyone thinks of the projected role players available at #3.

I myself am becoming increasing dissapointed by the options at 3. I really dont want Chriss, Brown has a long way to go, Dunn wont work out for us, Bender has so many question marks and wont be a big contributor for years. I like both Murray and Hield, but as you said they look like role players.

I had hoped that as we approached draft night these guys would close the gap between them and the first tier.

Also, I think Brandon Ingram is overrated. Still a no-brainer at number 2.

[Neurotic Guy]

Probably is an overrating of Butler, but the guy is definitely a more valuable player than IT.   Not to beat a dead horse, but if acquiring Butler has other implications in terms of luring 2 other stars, I'd be on-board with just about anything for him.

Does anyone recall seeing him and Jae Crowder playing together for Marquette?  Interesting to have both of them on the C's.   CBS may be great for Butler.

[LooseCannon]

TP.....sad but realistic options for the C's

They are only realistic options if we feel like getting fleeced. Both the Denver trade proposal and the Chicago proposal are awful.

Pelton instantly lost all credibility with me when I read #3 for Nurkic straight up... Might be one of the worst trade proposals I've ever read

For real.

I guess it sums up how they see this draft.

To Nurkic's credit, he got a lot of buzz his rookie season.  He was seen as one of the best young players in the draft. 

And I guess that backs up my theory that the #3 pick in this draft is seen as being on the same tier as the 10-16th pick was seen in 2014.  Quality players that should develop into starters, but have no star potential. 

Looking forward to Chad Ford's Draft Tier article.   His suggestion that Boston should give up #3, #16, Jerebko AND Isaiah Thomas for Jimmy Butler probably gives you a hint in what he's hearing from scouts/front offices.   If he sees the upgrade from all-star Thomas to all-star Butler requiring the #3 pick... that's interesting.   Neither is a superstar.

Before the 2014 draft, Pelton had Nurkic as the #3 player, behind Smart and Capela. (And Jokic at #5.)

Pelton thinks that #3+ Thomas is too much to give up for Butler.  He thinks that #3 for Nurkic is fair.  Therefore he thinks that Nurkic is worth more than the difference between Thomas and Butler.  He also pegs the value of #3 as similar to Gordon Hayward, so he must view Nurkic and Hayward as having similar value, taking into account their contracts.

Ford and Pelton seem to have different views on the value of the #3 pick.  Is Ainge more likely to agree with Ford or Pelton on that?

[PaulP34]

To me Chriss has the most upside, I like his size and his ability to attack the rim. Shoots decent and I value him way more then Bender. He's young and has time to mold into this Celtics lineup. I hope he's our guy.

[loco_91]

Nikola Jokic could be an interesting trade target. Honestly I think he has more value than a lot of established stars, like Butler or Love. I'd offer #3 + #23 + Nets '18 for him.

[chambers]

These guys are just absolutely clueless.

It's like the more they talk, the less credibility I give to anything they say.

SMH.