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Murray is Better than Ingram, he's the best Scorer in the draft.
« on: May 21, 2016, 06:11:49 PM »

Offline KG Living Legend

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 This team needs offense and Scoring. So I'm making the case to draft Jamal Murray. If we can move from three to four and pick up the 13th pick from The Suns than it should be a no Brainer.

 Ingram is a fantastic prospect but until he gains weight and strength he will be abused by anyone with muscle or a post game.

 It's Murray over Hield all day for these reasons. First a Historic freshman year  for Murray at 20 ppg and 5 rpg. Compare that to 8ppg and 4rpg for Hield.
 Murray just turned 19 Buddy is 22 and a half already.

 Murray can double as a scoring point guard he shoots first which is fine, but his handles, ability to create for himself and others blows Hield out of the water, and there shooting abilities are similar.

 Hield has a very specific role as a shooter, where with Murray he provides much more. Look at the possible combos with Murray.

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 Murray awesome because Smart needs help with handling and passing and Smart can guard the best offensive player.

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 Murray weak on defense, but awesome shooters and scoring. Add Crowder for defense.

 Murray
 Bradley Murray can play point with this backcourt his BBIQ is underrated.

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 Smart
 Murray
 Bradley
 Crowder
 Amir

 Lots of potential options with Murray not your typical shooting guard.
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« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2016, 07:15:28 PM »

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Too slow, unathletic.  That will hurt him on both ends of the court.

Not trashing the kid but he's not what you draft at #3.
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« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2016, 07:18:38 PM »

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Can he defend or create for others?  Can he get to the rim consistently?
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« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2016, 07:20:30 PM »

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Quote from: KG Living Legend on May 21, 2016, 06:11:49 PM
This team needs offense and Scoring.

I'd say the team needs shooting and scoring from the non-guard positions, but not someone who gets all his offense in the paint.
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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2016, 07:21:23 PM »

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I agree he is better scorer than Ingram but Ingram has great size that Murray cannot compete with
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« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2016, 07:21:39 PM »

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Quote from: PhoSita on May 21, 2016, 07:18:38 PM
Can he defend or create for others?  Can he get to the rim consistently?

1. Murray is a solid defender.
2. Creating for others/playmaking is a question mark since Tyler Ulis was Kentucky's PG and dominated ball-handling and decision making. Hard to tell whether Murray has that innate ability in him or not.
3. Murray is a good finisher around the rim, can get to the basket due to his frame and his perimeter shot makes defenders honor him. Helps him get to the basket if necessary.
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« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2016, 08:52:09 PM »

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I'd rather have Dunn.
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« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2016, 09:07:17 PM »

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I'm coming around on Murray.

This from Chad Ford:

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Every year ESPN attends individual workouts for prospects as they prepare for the NBA draft.

This week, I saw Brandon Ingram, Jamal Murray and Thon Maker, and talked to NBA scouts and GMs. Here's what I've learned so far.

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Jamal Murray, G, Fr., Kentucky

As good as Ingram looked in those shooting drills, Murray looked even better. He rarely missed in the 90-minute workout I saw, even when he was standing five feet beyond the NBA 3-point line. Murray's the type of player who really comes alive when the lights are on and kept pushing through repetitions of the star drill, trying to break the record for the most 3s hit in a two-minute period. He hit 22 in his first try -- just short of the record of 23, which he achieved on his second try. Then his workout partner,Dyshawn Pierre, made 24. Murray asked to go through the exhausting drill one more time and this time made 25.

How good do you have to be to hit 25 3s in two minutes -- especially when after every made 3 you have to run to another spot on the floor? In that sequence he was 25-for-27 from beyond the arc. Murray's release is quick, but it's his competitiveness that makes him especially lethal.

While scouts have compared him a lot to a young Brandon Roy, another comparison came to my mind watching the workouts: a bigger C.J. McCollum. Murray still needs to answer questions about whether he's a true point guard (the workout didn't really address those skills). But even if teams don't think he can be a full-time PG in the pros, he might be the best shooter in this draft. At 6-foot-5 with a 6-foot-7 wingspan and a very strong frame, he's big enough to play the shooting guard position.

Still, Murray's confident he'll be a point guard at the next level.

"I've had a basketball in my hands since I was three months old," Murray said. "When I was six years old, I was playing against 10-year-olds. I'm the son of a coach. He was hard on me. He made sure I was disciplined and coached very well. He was my biggest critic. My best friend.

"I did what I had to do at Kentucky. I've played point guard my whole life. But we had Tyler [Ulis] there. I wasn't focused on scoring 20 points a game. I was just doing whatever we need to win. Sometimes that was scoring 26 points, sometimes 12 and focusing on getting people involved from the 2 spot." With the draft order set, look for Murray to go either No. 3 to the Celtics, No. 5 to the Wolves or No. 6 to the Pelicans. I doubt he slips further than that.

https://www.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/4kehyg/insider_draft_workout_confidential_ingram_murry/

Pretty persuasive.

Love the fire.
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« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2016, 09:15:16 PM »

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Quote from: csfansince60s on May 21, 2016, 09:07:17 PM
I'm coming around on Murray.

This from Chad Ford:

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Every year ESPN attends individual workouts for prospects as they prepare for the NBA draft.

This week, I saw Brandon Ingram, Jamal Murray and Thon Maker, and talked to NBA scouts and GMs. Here's what I've learned so far.

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Jamal Murray, G, Fr., Kentucky

As good as Ingram looked in those shooting drills, Murray looked even better. He rarely missed in the 90-minute workout I saw, even when he was standing five feet beyond the NBA 3-point line. Murray's the type of player who really comes alive when the lights are on and kept pushing through repetitions of the star drill, trying to break the record for the most 3s hit in a two-minute period. He hit 22 in his first try -- just short of the record of 23, which he achieved on his second try. Then his workout partner,Dyshawn Pierre, made 24. Murray asked to go through the exhausting drill one more time and this time made 25.

How good do you have to be to hit 25 3s in two minutes -- especially when after every made 3 you have to run to another spot on the floor? In that sequence he was 25-for-27 from beyond the arc. Murray's release is quick, but it's his competitiveness that makes him especially lethal.

While scouts have compared him a lot to a young Brandon Roy, another comparison came to my mind watching the workouts: a bigger C.J. McCollum. Murray still needs to answer questions about whether he's a true point guard (the workout didn't really address those skills). But even if teams don't think he can be a full-time PG in the pros, he might be the best shooter in this draft. At 6-foot-5 with a 6-foot-7 wingspan and a very strong frame, he's big enough to play the shooting guard position.

Still, Murray's confident he'll be a point guard at the next level.

"I've had a basketball in my hands since I was three months old," Murray said. "When I was six years old, I was playing against 10-year-olds. I'm the son of a coach. He was hard on me. He made sure I was disciplined and coached very well. He was my biggest critic. My best friend.

"I did what I had to do at Kentucky. I've played point guard my whole life. But we had Tyler [Ulis] there. I wasn't focused on scoring 20 points a game. I was just doing whatever we need to win. Sometimes that was scoring 26 points, sometimes 12 and focusing on getting people involved from the 2 spot." With the draft order set, look for Murray to go either No. 3 to the Celtics, No. 5 to the Wolves or No. 6 to the Pelicans. I doubt he slips further than that.

https://www.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/4kehyg/insider_draft_workout_confidential_ingram_murry/

Pretty persuasive.

Love the fire.

Read the Dragan Bender story earlier today and was sold... Now this, Seems like I'm set on Murray.. Let's see what Buddy does over the next next days.
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« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2016, 09:28:17 PM »

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Quote from: Mattybriand on May 21, 2016, 09:15:16 PM
Quote from: csfansince60s on May 21, 2016, 09:07:17 PM
I'm coming around on Murray.

This from Chad Ford:

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Every year ESPN attends individual workouts for prospects as they prepare for the NBA draft.

This week, I saw Brandon Ingram, Jamal Murray and Thon Maker, and talked to NBA scouts and GMs. Here's what I've learned so far.

Quote
Jamal Murray, G, Fr., Kentucky

As good as Ingram looked in those shooting drills, Murray looked even better. He rarely missed in the 90-minute workout I saw, even when he was standing five feet beyond the NBA 3-point line. Murray's the type of player who really comes alive when the lights are on and kept pushing through repetitions of the star drill, trying to break the record for the most 3s hit in a two-minute period. He hit 22 in his first try -- just short of the record of 23, which he achieved on his second try. Then his workout partner,Dyshawn Pierre, made 24. Murray asked to go through the exhausting drill one more time and this time made 25.

How good do you have to be to hit 25 3s in two minutes -- especially when after every made 3 you have to run to another spot on the floor? In that sequence he was 25-for-27 from beyond the arc. Murray's release is quick, but it's his competitiveness that makes him especially lethal.

While scouts have compared him a lot to a young Brandon Roy, another comparison came to my mind watching the workouts: a bigger C.J. McCollum. Murray still needs to answer questions about whether he's a true point guard (the workout didn't really address those skills). But even if teams don't think he can be a full-time PG in the pros, he might be the best shooter in this draft. At 6-foot-5 with a 6-foot-7 wingspan and a very strong frame, he's big enough to play the shooting guard position.

Still, Murray's confident he'll be a point guard at the next level.

"I've had a basketball in my hands since I was three months old," Murray said. "When I was six years old, I was playing against 10-year-olds. I'm the son of a coach. He was hard on me. He made sure I was disciplined and coached very well. He was my biggest critic. My best friend.

"I did what I had to do at Kentucky. I've played point guard my whole life. But we had Tyler [Ulis] there. I wasn't focused on scoring 20 points a game. I was just doing whatever we need to win. Sometimes that was scoring 26 points, sometimes 12 and focusing on getting people involved from the 2 spot." With the draft order set, look for Murray to go either No. 3 to the Celtics, No. 5 to the Wolves or No. 6 to the Pelicans. I doubt he slips further than that.

https://www.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/4kehyg/insider_draft_workout_confidential_ingram_murry/

Pretty persuasive.

Love the fire.

Read the Dragan Bender story earlier today and was sold... Now this, Seems like I'm set on Murray.. Let's see what Buddy does over the next next days.
noted they are all no-contest shot and he can shot slowly, Murray will have a very hard time against NBA defense, AB will eat him alive
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« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2016, 09:31:41 PM »

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Ingram is the best player in the draft.
Durant 2.0.
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« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2016, 09:34:19 PM »

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How does he compare to Devin Booker?  I don't have time to follow college ball, so correct me if I'm wrong. 

Coming out of college, Booker was regarded as a terrific shooter but his limitations included lack of length, subpar athleticism, difficulty finishing at the rim, and questionable ball handling.  As most people know, he had a terrific rookie year for the Suns, in large part because he's a good player, but also because Suns placed very strong emphasis on developing his skills.

Murray is about an inch shorter, has a smaller wingspan by about 1 inch (depending on which measurements you use), and supposedly has very similar strengths and limitations as Booker.  DraftExpress does list Murray's max vert at 39.5", while Booker's is listed at 35.5".

If Murray projects to be similar to Booker or better, I'd be pretty happy with that pick. 
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« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2016, 09:37:31 PM »

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Quote from: Chris22 on May 21, 2016, 09:31:41 PM
Ingram is the best player in the draft.
Durant 2.0.

I don't think you remember Kevin Durant in college.  He averaged 26 and 11 for his one year, not to mention 2 steals and 2 blocks.  Ingram is a nice player, but KD had one of the best freshman seasons in history.  It's an insult to Durant and a disservice to Ingram to make that comparison.
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« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2016, 09:42:35 PM »

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Quote from: csfansince60s on May 21, 2016, 09:07:17 PM
I'm coming around on Murray.

This from Chad Ford:

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Every year ESPN attends individual workouts for prospects as they prepare for the NBA draft.

This week, I saw Brandon Ingram, Jamal Murray and Thon Maker, and talked to NBA scouts and GMs. Here's what I've learned so far.

Quote
Jamal Murray, G, Fr., Kentucky

As good as Ingram looked in those shooting drills, Murray looked even better. He rarely missed in the 90-minute workout I saw, even when he was standing five feet beyond the NBA 3-point line. Murray's the type of player who really comes alive when the lights are on and kept pushing through repetitions of the star drill, trying to break the record for the most 3s hit in a two-minute period. He hit 22 in his first try -- just short of the record of 23, which he achieved on his second try. Then his workout partner,Dyshawn Pierre, made 24. Murray asked to go through the exhausting drill one more time and this time made 25.

How good do you have to be to hit 25 3s in two minutes -- especially when after every made 3 you have to run to another spot on the floor? In that sequence he was 25-for-27 from beyond the arc. Murray's release is quick, but it's his competitiveness that makes him especially lethal.

While scouts have compared him a lot to a young Brandon Roy, another comparison came to my mind watching the workouts: a bigger C.J. McCollum. Murray still needs to answer questions about whether he's a true point guard (the workout didn't really address those skills). But even if teams don't think he can be a full-time PG in the pros, he might be the best shooter in this draft. At 6-foot-5 with a 6-foot-7 wingspan and a very strong frame, he's big enough to play the shooting guard position.

Still, Murray's confident he'll be a point guard at the next level.

"I've had a basketball in my hands since I was three months old," Murray said. "When I was six years old, I was playing against 10-year-olds. I'm the son of a coach. He was hard on me. He made sure I was disciplined and coached very well. He was my biggest critic. My best friend.

"I did what I had to do at Kentucky. I've played point guard my whole life. But we had Tyler [Ulis] there. I wasn't focused on scoring 20 points a game. I was just doing whatever we need to win. Sometimes that was scoring 26 points, sometimes 12 and focusing on getting people involved from the 2 spot." With the draft order set, look for Murray to go either No. 3 to the Celtics, No. 5 to the Wolves or No. 6 to the Pelicans. I doubt he slips further than that.

https://www.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/4kehyg/insider_draft_workout_confidential_ingram_murry/

Pretty persuasive.

Love the fire.

Just him wanting to beat Pierre in the shooting, even though he put up solid numbers has me really looking at him. Just that small sample could make you think he has that "IT" factor. The competitive edge that makes players great. I mean maybe not Bird/Jordan great, but a fine player that will change games on the offensive end like Smart does on defense. 
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« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2016, 09:45:50 PM »

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Quote from: playdream on May 21, 2016, 09:28:17 PM
Quote from: Mattybriand on May 21, 2016, 09:15:16 PM
Quote from: csfansince60s on May 21, 2016, 09:07:17 PM
I'm coming around on Murray.

This from Chad Ford:

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Every year ESPN attends individual workouts for prospects as they prepare for the NBA draft.

This week, I saw Brandon Ingram, Jamal Murray and Thon Maker, and talked to NBA scouts and GMs. Here's what I've learned so far.

Quote
Jamal Murray, G, Fr., Kentucky

As good as Ingram looked in those shooting drills, Murray looked even better. He rarely missed in the 90-minute workout I saw, even when he was standing five feet beyond the NBA 3-point line. Murray's the type of player who really comes alive when the lights are on and kept pushing through repetitions of the star drill, trying to break the record for the most 3s hit in a two-minute period. He hit 22 in his first try -- just short of the record of 23, which he achieved on his second try. Then his workout partner,Dyshawn Pierre, made 24. Murray asked to go through the exhausting drill one more time and this time made 25.

How good do you have to be to hit 25 3s in two minutes -- especially when after every made 3 you have to run to another spot on the floor? In that sequence he was 25-for-27 from beyond the arc. Murray's release is quick, but it's his competitiveness that makes him especially lethal.

While scouts have compared him a lot to a young Brandon Roy, another comparison came to my mind watching the workouts: a bigger C.J. McCollum. Murray still needs to answer questions about whether he's a true point guard (the workout didn't really address those skills). But even if teams don't think he can be a full-time PG in the pros, he might be the best shooter in this draft. At 6-foot-5 with a 6-foot-7 wingspan and a very strong frame, he's big enough to play the shooting guard position.

Still, Murray's confident he'll be a point guard at the next level.

"I've had a basketball in my hands since I was three months old," Murray said. "When I was six years old, I was playing against 10-year-olds. I'm the son of a coach. He was hard on me. He made sure I was disciplined and coached very well. He was my biggest critic. My best friend.

"I did what I had to do at Kentucky. I've played point guard my whole life. But we had Tyler [Ulis] there. I wasn't focused on scoring 20 points a game. I was just doing whatever we need to win. Sometimes that was scoring 26 points, sometimes 12 and focusing on getting people involved from the 2 spot." With the draft order set, look for Murray to go either No. 3 to the Celtics, No. 5 to the Wolves or No. 6 to the Pelicans. I doubt he slips further than that.

https://www.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/4kehyg/insider_draft_workout_confidential_ingram_murry/

Pretty persuasive.

Love the fire.

Read the Dragan Bender story earlier today and was sold... Now this, Seems like I'm set on Murray.. Let's see what Buddy does over the next next days.
noted they are all no-contest shot and he can shot slowly, Murray will have a very hard time against NBA defense, AB will eat him alive

 Did you miss this part?

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How good do you have to be to hit 25 3s in two minutes -- especially when after every made 3 you have to run to another spot on the floor? In that sequence he was 25-for-27 from beyond the arc. Murray's release is quick, but it's his competitiveness that makes him especially lethal.
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