I'm calling it...our #3 draft pick for 2016. Buddy Hield. Boom.

[hpantazo]

Hield has Adam Morrison-like bust potential, IMO. I like to watch him play,
but drafting him would be a very risky move.

I agree. He got completely shut down in his last game.

He didn't get shut down. No one on the team could have a basket and Villanova couldn't miss. It's basketball, it happens.

a quote from Draftexpress: "At 28 points per-40, with a 67% TS%, only Doug McDermott can boast having as prolific and efficient season as Hield has in the last 20 years of college basketball. "

So, how well did Doug McDermott fare in the NBA? Adam Morrison? Jimmer Fredette? Hield has similar bust potential to all of those guys imo.

[CelticSooner]

Hield has Adam Morrison-like bust potential, IMO. I like to watch him play,
but drafting him would be a very risky move.

I agree. He got completely shut down in his last game.

He didn't get shut down. No one on the team could have a basket and Villanova couldn't miss. It's basketball, it happens.

a quote from Draftexpress: "At 28 points per-40, with a 67% TS%, only Doug McDermott can boast having as prolific and efficient season as Hield has in the last 20 years of college basketball. "

So, how well did Doug McDermott fare in the NBA? Adam Morrison? Jimmer Fredette? Hield has similar bust potential to all of those guys imo.

All those guys lack athleticism not a good comparison.

[hpantazo]

Hield has Adam Morrison-like bust potential, IMO. I like to watch him play,
but drafting him would be a very risky move.

I agree. He got completely shut down in his last game.

He didn't get shut down. No one on the team could have a basket and Villanova couldn't miss. It's basketball, it happens.

a quote from Draftexpress: "At 28 points per-40, with a 67% TS%, only Doug McDermott can boast having as prolific and efficient season as Hield has in the last 20 years of college basketball. "

So, how well did Doug McDermott fare in the NBA? Adam Morrison? Jimmer Fredette? Hield has similar bust potential to all of those guys imo.

All those guys lack athleticism not a good comparison.

We shall soon see. Imo, the odds are much, much higher that he ends up like a Doug McDermott/JJ Reddick type than a Stephen Curry.

If we are going to draft a guard at #3, I would MUCH rather take Murray than Hield.

[CelticSooner]

Hield has Adam Morrison-like bust potential, IMO. I like to watch him play,
but drafting him would be a very risky move.

I agree. He got completely shut down in his last game.

He didn't get shut down. No one on the team could have a basket and Villanova couldn't miss. It's basketball, it happens.

a quote from Draftexpress: "At 28 points per-40, with a 67% TS%, only Doug McDermott can boast having as prolific and efficient season as Hield has in the last 20 years of college basketball. "

So, how well did Doug McDermott fare in the NBA? Adam Morrison? Jimmer Fredette? Hield has similar bust potential to all of those guys imo.

All those guys lack athleticism not a good comparison.

We shall soon see. Imo, the odds are much, much higher that he ends up like a Doug McDermott/JJ Reddick type than a Stephen Curry.

Yes they are, the same could be said about any player in the draft. The odds of any of these guys ending up superstars is less than 1%. Did anyone think Curry was going to be this good coming out of Davidson?

[mctyson]

I'm calling it....if Danny Ainge drafts Buddy Hield with the #3 pick he will be fired....Boom!

Seriously, Hield is likely to be a very nice role player, but if I was a betting man I would definitely bet he never makes a single All-Star game.

JJ Redick seems like a fair ceiling for Hield.

You realize that JJ Redick is one of the best shooters on the planet, correct?

His point is still valid: he is talking of ceiling. Most players never reach their ceiling. Ceiling is just one among many factors. And a JJ Redick ceiling for a #3 pick is hardly a compliment.

No, it is big compliment.  Reddick lead the league in 3pt shooting pct this year.  He was a better 3pt shooter than Steph Curry, who is a 2-time MVP largely because of his shooting.  He is quite literally one of the best shooters on the planet Earth.

I would gladly take Hield at 3 if he has a 80% chance of becoming JJ Reddick, and I think he will actually be just as good.

[chambers]

Hield has Adam Morrison-like bust potential, IMO. I like to watch him play,
but drafting him would be a very risky move.

I agree. He got completely shut down in his last game.

He didn't get shut down. No one on the team could have a basket and Villanova couldn't miss. It's basketball, it happens.

a quote from Draftexpress: "At 28 points per-40, with a 67% TS%, only Doug McDermott can boast having as prolific and efficient season as Hield has in the last 20 years of college basketball. "

So, how well did Doug McDermott fare in the NBA? Adam Morrison? Jimmer Fredette? Hield has similar bust potential to all of those guys imo.

I think you're just throwing him iin with other elite shooters that don't have any other offensive game because of his elite shooting.
Take all those guys and remove 3 point shooting from the equation.
McDermott
Redick
Fredette

They can't drive. They don't use their 3 point shot in 1v1 situations like Hield. They can't finish around the basket or draw fouls like Buddy. They can't split pick and rolls.
They are spot up shooters and lack elite length.
Hield's wingspan is 6'10". His vertical is higher than all those guys.He has better handles. He can finish in transition and draw fouls.
He's a multi dimensional player.
Yes, his strength and biggest weapon is his shooting, but he has used that shooting to evolve his offensive game into a complete offensive threat with the ball.

He's not in the same category as those guys but unfortunately the easy thing for critics to do is lump him in with a bunch of short armed, un athletic players that couldn't hold a candle to Hield's overall game.

[esel1000]

Hield has Adam Morrison-like bust potential, IMO. I like to watch him play,
but drafting him would be a very risky move.

I agree. He got completely shut down in his last game.

He didn't get shut down. No one on the team could have a basket and Villanova couldn't miss. It's basketball, it happens.

a quote from Draftexpress: "At 28 points per-40, with a 67% TS%, only Doug McDermott can boast having as prolific and efficient season as Hield has in the last 20 years of college basketball. "

So, how well did Doug McDermott fare in the NBA? Adam Morrison? Jimmer Fredette? Hield has similar bust potential to all of those guys imo.

I think you're just throwing him iin with other elite shooters that don't have any other offensive game because of his elite shooting.
Take all those guys and remove 3 point shooting from the equation.
McDermott
Redick
Fredette

They can't drive. They don't use their 3 point shot in 1v1 situations like Hield. They can't finish around the basket or draw fouls like Buddy. They can't split pick and rolls.
They are spot up shooters and lack elite length.
Hield's wingspan is 6'10". His vertical is higher than all those guys.He has better handles. He can finish in transition and draw fouls.
He's a multi dimensional player.
Yes, his strength and biggest weapon is his shooting, but he has used that shooting to evolve his offensive game into a complete offensive threat with the ball.

He's not in the same category as those guys but unfortunately the easy thing for critics to do is lump him in with a bunch of short armed, un athletic players that couldn't hold a candle to Hield's overall game.

Thank you...I mean, I don't understand how anyone can view Hield as a one dimensional player unless they really haven't watched him...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uK4EwZfZ1s

The guy is a very talented offensive player. The biggest question mark isn't whether or not he can score in the league, but whether or not he'll be an adequate defender. Pairing him with our defensive guards/allowing him to work on his d, I think he'd develop really well here on both sides of the ball.

My only issue with taking him at 3 is that if he could be available later, I'd prefer trading down to take him with a team like the Wolves and getting a Dieng back as well. For all we know in workouts he may distinguish himself as a clear 3 though, in which case take him. I truly believe passing on him will turn out to be a mistake (though I do like Murray as well...lol)

[LooseCannon]

Hield has Adam Morrison-like bust potential, IMO. I like to watch him play,
but drafting him would be a very risky move.

I agree. He got completely shut down in his last game.

He didn't get shut down. No one on the team could have a basket and Villanova couldn't miss. It's basketball, it happens.

a quote from Draftexpress: "At 28 points per-40, with a 67% TS%, only Doug McDermott can boast having as prolific and efficient season as Hield has in the last 20 years of college basketball. "

So, how well did Doug McDermott fare in the NBA? Adam Morrison? Jimmer Fredette? Hield has similar bust potential to all of those guys imo.

I think you're just throwing him iin with other elite shooters that don't have any other offensive game because of his elite shooting.
Take all those guys and remove 3 point shooting from the equation.
McDermott
Redick
Fredette

They can't drive. They don't use their 3 point shot in 1v1 situations like Hield. They can't finish around the basket or draw fouls like Buddy. They can't split pick and rolls.
They are spot up shooters and lack elite length.
Hield's wingspan is 6'10". His vertical is higher than all those guys.He has better handles. He can finish in transition and draw fouls.
He's a multi dimensional player.
Yes, his strength and biggest weapon is his shooting, but he has used that shooting to evolve his offensive game into a complete offensive threat with the ball.

He's not in the same category as those guys but unfortunately the easy thing for critics to do is lump him in with a bunch of short armed, un athletic players that couldn't hold a candle to Hield's overall game.

I'm not sure if Hield has a higher vertical than all those guys, given that Hield skipped the part of the combine where they did things like vertical leap and McDermott had a 36.5" vertical leap.  (For comparison, Taurean Prince was at 36.0".  So was Marcus Smart.)   I can believe that he is higher than the 33" of Fredette/Redick, but I am not sure if he has a higher vertical leap than Dougie McBuckets.

[wiley]

Hield has Adam Morrison-like bust potential, IMO. I like to watch him play,
but drafting him would be a very risky move.

I agree. He got completely shut down in his last game.

He didn't get shut down. No one on the team could have a basket and Villanova couldn't miss. It's basketball, it happens.

a quote from Draftexpress: "At 28 points per-40, with a 67% TS%, only Doug McDermott can boast having as prolific and efficient season as Hield has in the last 20 years of college basketball. "

So, how well did Doug McDermott fare in the NBA? Adam Morrison? Jimmer Fredette? Hield has similar bust potential to all of those guys imo.

I think you're just throwing him iin with other elite shooters that don't have any other offensive game because of his elite shooting.
Take all those guys and remove 3 point shooting from the equation.
McDermott
Redick
Fredette

They can't drive. They don't use their 3 point shot in 1v1 situations like Hield. They can't finish around the basket or draw fouls like Buddy. They can't split pick and rolls.
They are spot up shooters and lack elite length.
Hield's wingspan is 6'10". His vertical is higher than all those guys.He has better handles. He can finish in transition and draw fouls.
He's a multi dimensional player.
Yes, his strength and biggest weapon is his shooting, but he has used that shooting to evolve his offensive game into a complete offensive threat with the ball.

He's not in the same category as those guys but unfortunately the easy thing for critics to do is lump him in with a bunch of short armed, un athletic players that couldn't hold a candle to Hield's overall game.

Yeah I agree those lumpings above make no sense. It's due to him being a senior I guess, unless someone actually can point out other similarities (aside from excellent shooting)...which I doubt will happen.

I am back and forth on Hield and Murray. For the moment I'm back in the Murray camp because  I'm not worried about him being slow and with Smart, Bradley and Crowder around I'm not worried about his defense.  I like the future PG possibility in a year or two.

Murray, Rozier
Smart, Bradley

Doesn't sound like Danny has any plans to trade IT though, so tomorrow I may be back with Hield.  Actually, Dunn would probably would have been my choice but that would necessitate some trading and then there is the injury history and the great shooting of the other two.  So I'll just remain stuck on the Murray Hield debate. 

[PhoSita]

If buddy has such great peripheral abilities aside from shooting, why wasn't he drafted sooner? It's not like with Lillard or McCollum where they were dominating at lower tier schools.

Buddy played for a pretty high level program and didn't stand out as a draft prospect until his senior year. Why is that?

[D Dub]

If buddy has such great peripheral abilities aside from shooting, why wasn't he drafted sooner? It's not like with Lillard or McCollum where they were dominating at lower tier schools.

Buddy played for a pretty high level program and didn't stand out as a draft prospect until his senior year. Why is that?

Does it matter?   Guy can ball. 

[wiley]

If buddy has such great peripheral abilities aside from shooting, why wasn't he drafted sooner? It's not like with Lillard or McCollum where they were dominating at lower tier schools.

Buddy played for a pretty high level program and didn't stand out as a draft prospect until his senior year. Why is that?

That part doesn't bother me.  Why do some NBA players make a leap after a few years?

[GetLucky]

If buddy has such great peripheral abilities aside from shooting, why wasn't he drafted sooner? It's not like with Lillard or McCollum where they were dominating at lower tier schools.

Buddy played for a pretty high level program and didn't stand out as a draft prospect until his senior year. Why is that?

Does it matter?   Guy can ball.

If buddy has such great peripheral abilities aside from shooting, why wasn't he drafted sooner? It's not like with Lillard or McCollum where they were dominating at lower tier schools.

Buddy played for a pretty high level program and didn't stand out as a draft prospect until his senior year. Why is that?

That part doesn't bother me.  Why do some NBA players make a leap after a few years?

Hield taking four years to stand out does matter. For one, he was a 22-year-old whose superior competition was presumably a bunch of 19-year-old underclassmen. That leaves the possibility that Buddy only dominated because of a significant physical advantage, which he will certainly not have in the pros. Also, if it was simply a skill-translation problem, if it took Hield 3 years to adjust to college basketball, how long will it take him to adjust to NBA basketball? If his ceiling is JJ Reddick and it takes him 3-4 years to reach that ceiling, what will people be saying on this board for the next three years? What if he doesn't hit his ceiling or it takes longer than 3 years? How old is Hield then? What happens in-between? Because then you're at a situation where Bender or some other developmental prospect with a higher ceiling looks like a better selection. It's where the "OMG why didn't we take Giannis the GREEK FREAK over solid role player Kelly Olynyk?" threads come from.

[mr. dee]

If buddy has such great peripheral abilities aside from shooting, why wasn't he drafted sooner? It's not like with Lillard or McCollum where they were dominating at lower tier schools.

Buddy played for a pretty high level program and didn't stand out as a draft prospect until his senior year. Why is that?

Maybe it's because he didn't developed his game until his senior year? But that standard, Jimmy Butler shouldn't be an all-star, nor is Draymond Green and Damian Lillard.

[PhoSita]

If buddy has such great peripheral abilities aside from shooting, why wasn't he drafted sooner? It's not like with Lillard or McCollum where they were dominating at lower tier schools.

Buddy played for a pretty high level program and didn't stand out as a draft prospect until his senior year. Why is that?

Maybe it's because he didn't developed his game until his senior year? But that standard, Jimmy Butler shouldn't be an all-star, nor is Draymond Green and Damian Lillard.

Flawless logic.