Isn't Bender the type of big man we want?

[hwangjini_1]

Willie Cauley-Stein is the type of big man we need.

of course. but any suggestions on how to get him? i mean i prefer cousins to WCS, but so what?

[alldaboston]

I'm trying to watch some film of bender, from Maccabi's YouTube channel.



Is this example an anomaly, or does he get beat off the dribble often? I believe one of his calling cards is that he has pretty good defensive potential.

one play? how much do you want to read into one play? perhaps viewing other videos might help you draw an opinion. also, bender is 7' and was guarding a guard on the perimeter. the end of the guard winning is not unusual in the nba either.

There were a few instances of this, I just posted the first one. I also said "is this an anomaly" so I think I was a little justified in asking. I am just wondering bc many say he can switch on guards and stuff

[kozlodoev]

I'm trying to watch some film of bender, from Maccabi's YouTube channel.



Is this example an anomaly, or does he get beat off the dribble often? I believe one of his calling cards is that he has pretty good defensive potential.

one play? how much do you want to read into one play? perhaps viewing other videos might help you draw an opinion. also, bender is 7' and was guarding a guard on the perimeter. the end of the guard winning is not unusual in the nba either.

There were a few instances of this, I just posted the first one. I also said "is this an anomaly" so I think I was a little justified in asking. I am just wondering bc many say he can switch on guards and stuff

Come on. Some folks are convinced Bender can play SF in the NBA.

[Vermont Green]

I think Bender is an interesting prospect.  So far, in the few clips and things that I have seen, I see a very tall 18 year old kid who moves very well for his size, shoots extremely well for his size and age, but is week and somewhat gangly.  In his current manifestation, he is not remotely close to NBA ready.

Now most 18 year olds are going to develop strength and coordination as they mature over the next several years.  I am sure that will be the case with Bender.  But the problem is that no one (and I mean literally no one) knows how much he will develop.

I would say that if he develops strength and coordination about like most 18 year old athletes do, he will probably be a fine NBA player in a few years.  He already has a nice shooting touch and a decent feel for the game (again, based on a few clips).

My problem is that a #3 pick is in general too high a pick to risk on a prospect that still has to develop so much.  I prefer more of a conventionally proven prospect with that high of a pick.  It is a tough call.  I would be fine if they got a good trade for him (say Okafor).  Okafor is far more developed already and thereby represents far less risk (and maybe less potential reward I guess).

 

[Smartacus]

I'm trying to watch some film of bender, from Maccabi's YouTube channel.



Is this example an anomaly, or does he get beat off the dribble often? I believe one of his calling cards is that he has pretty good defensive potential.

one play? how much do you want to read into one play? perhaps viewing other videos might help you draw an opinion. also, bender is 7' and was guarding a guard on the perimeter. the end of the guard winning is not unusual in the nba either.

There were a few instances of this, I just posted the first one. I also said "is this an anomaly" so I think I was a little justified in asking. I am just wondering bc many say he can switch on guards and stuff

Come on. Some folks are convinced Bender can play SF in the NBA.

I see him as a PF that can play C against second units. Similar to how the Heat used to use Bosh when they had Wade and Lebron taking a rest.

This would allow us to still run a guard heavy offense to start the game where Bender acts mainly as a facilitator and floor stretcher until we bring in the second unit and he ups his usage rate. Could only see him as an SF in certain matchups.

[Croc Hunter]

of course. but any suggestions on how to get him? i mean i prefer cousins to WCS, but so what?

Pick 3 and Sullinger for Pick 8 and WCS might be a starting point.

Sac then gets a big who can hit the 3 to go with Cousins and can grab a future PG in Dunn with pick 3.

[Lucky17]

of course. but any suggestions on how to get him? i mean i prefer cousins to WCS, but so what?

Pick 3 and Sullinger for Pick 8 and WCS might be a starting point.

Sac then gets a big who can hit the 3 to go with Cousins and can grab a future PG in Dunn with pick 3.

Sullinger is a restricted free agent: his contract status for next year is so up in the air that a draft night trade would be almost impossible to pull off. Sully would have to agree to SAC's contract terms in advance of officially being a free agent. Could even amount to a tampering charge.

[PaulP34]

I'm trying to watch some film of bender, from Maccabi's YouTube channel.



Is this example an anomaly, or does he get beat off the dribble often? I believe one of his calling cards is that he has pretty good defensive potential.

I see a wasted pick

[fairweatherfan]

I'm trying to watch some film of bender, from Maccabi's YouTube channel.



Is this example an anomaly, or does he get beat off the dribble often? I believe one of his calling cards is that he has pretty good defensive potential.

I see a wasted pick

Yeah, but I think the guard wanted the iso, it's not his fault.


...what?

[Croc Hunter]

of course. but any suggestions on how to get him? i mean i prefer cousins to WCS, but so what?

Pick 3 and Sullinger for Pick 8 and WCS might be a starting point.

Sac then gets a big who can hit the 3 to go with Cousins and can grab a future PG in Dunn with pick 3.

Sullinger is a restricted free agent: his contract status for next year is so up in the air that a draft night trade would be almost impossible to pull off. Sully would have to agree to SAC's contract terms in advance of officially being a free agent. Could even amount to a tampering charge.

Couldnt a S&T be part of the deal?

[LooseCannon]

of course. but any suggestions on how to get him? i mean i prefer cousins to WCS, but so what?

Pick 3 and Sullinger for Pick 8 and WCS might be a starting point.

Sac then gets a big who can hit the 3 to go with Cousins and can grab a future PG in Dunn with pick 3.

Sullinger is a restricted free agent: his contract status for next year is so up in the air that a draft night trade would be almost impossible to pull off. Sully would have to agree to SAC's contract terms in advance of officially being a free agent. Could even amount to a tampering charge.

Couldnt a S&T be part of the deal?

You can't even negotiate with a player for a S&T until July.

[BringToughnessBack]

I think Bender is an interesting prospect.  So far, in the few clips and things that I have seen, I see a very tall 18 year old kid who moves very well for his size, shoots extremely well for his size and age, but is week and somewhat gangly.  In his current manifestation, he is not remotely close to NBA ready.

Now most 18 year olds are going to develop strength and coordination as they mature over the next several years.  I am sure that will be the case with Bender.  But the problem is that no one (and I mean literally no one) knows how much he will develop.

I would say that if he develops strength and coordination about like most 18 year old athletes do, he will probably be a fine NBA player in a few years.  He already has a nice shooting touch and a decent feel for the game (again, based on a few clips).

My problem is that a #3 pick is in general too high a pick to risk on a prospect that still has to develop so much.  I prefer more of a conventionally proven prospect with that high of a pick.  It is a tough call.  I would be fine if they got a good trade for him (say Okafor).  Okafor is far more developed already and thereby represents far less risk (and maybe less potential reward I guess).

Personally, I would rather take a flyer on Bender who from everything I have read, sounds like a very intriguing prospect with a high probability of becoming an impact player/potential superstar.

The idea of trading the number 3 for someone who knocked out a civilian on the streets does not sound appealing to me in any manner. High character players are hard to find and hard workers, even tougher. Bender has the right work ethic that he has shown at a very young age and is constantly working on his craft. As far as I know, he never knocked out an Israeli on their streets either 

The more I read about Bender, the more I am impressed. He sounds a lot tougher than people are giving him credit for and has a strong desire to get better. I feel comfortable that with the #3 pick, we take him and he also sounds like a prototypical Ainge/Stevens player.

[mmmmm]

I more mean in their roles. We've wanted KO to be that but Bender is more talented imo.

He shot 25% from three so he has a lot of work to do to prove that. 

There is some recurring confusion about his stats on this and other threads.

DraftExpress only has stats for the 10 EuroCup / EuroLeague games that he appeared in (and only sparingly). 

The actual bulk of his season has been spent in Israeli BSL games, of which he has played 26 so far.  In those games, he has averaged 13.7 minutes and has shot 40.4% on 3PT shots.  (IBSL games are 40 minutes long, but use the longer pro 3PT arc.)

http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Dragan-Bender/Summary/41582

[BDeCosta26]

Willie Cauley-Stein is the type of big man we need.

of course. but any suggestions on how to get him? i mean i prefer cousins to WCS, but so what?

Philly would think about trading us Noel for #3. Would you do that instead?

[Tr1boy]

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/10/2/9438537/dragan-bender-nba-draft-2016-scouting-report

From a scouting perspective, Bender fits the European archetype almost perfectly. He spent of the night floating around the three-point line despite often being clearly the tallest player on court. His length resulted in two impressive blocks but he didn't do much rebounding.

Question:  Bender the type of big man we want?
 Answer :  No.