Isn't Bender the type of big man we want?

[walker834]

By todays standards?  A 7 footer who is mobile can range out and shoot and also defend like a guard and block shots? Dirk did pretty well and Bender could be our own version of that except  with defense. KO is ok but Bender is faster and more fluid and can block shots.

I think people underrate Bender as an extra shooter who can hit 3's and as a defender.

He isn't Bargnani. 

the way the game is now we want guys who can shoot no? Or do you still want your bigs to be able to rebound and play inside and off pick and roll? Bender can do that too.

I think Bender is the next big thing that way he is the new age big man who can do a lot of different things.

Swiss Army knife big man who can adapt his game depending on situations.

[walker834]

Bender can shoot over Draymond is what I'm saying.  Draymond can't shoot over him.  He can also out length him inside and is a good passer himself and plays the pick and roll.

Both are tenacious players.  Draymond is bigger but Bender has length.  I like the Ak47 comparison with more range than that. Also just more fluid and longer than AK47.  I think he's a bigger deal than that.

[Snakehead]

If he's legit?  Yes.  Still can't tell from what I have seen of him.  Also, he can shoot but is not proven to be some sniper or anything.  I think anyone acting like they know how Bender will turn out is lying to themselves.  I just really hope he shows more at workouts.  Trust me, I would love if he killed workouts and became a clear number 3 or challenged for the top 2.  Right now I am bummed because the third pick has about 5 players vying for it, IMO all about equal level.  And mostly guards, which is a bad fit for us.

People have been bringing up Jan Vesely as a worry, and really, look at this page for him and you see things said about Bender. 

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jan-Vesely-1402/

Again, doubts about him because we haven't seen enough as well.  Of course, it could go either way but I certainly don't know enough.

[walker834]

I think he has to grow and become more proficient at establishing position and absorbing contact when he drives.  He's a kid.  His shot is going to improve too. 

Anyone we are drafting we are taking on potential and getting him to play the way we want. I like his tenacity.  He's skinny and has to be more proficient at certain things.

Brown to me is really the guy who can drive and absorb contact right now and get to the line.  All these guys we are drafting on potential though.

I think Bender again has more potential because he's 7 feet and can shoot. His body is going to mature.

Brown is physically built like Draymond but can't shoot right now nor is he the passer. He's primarily a slasher and physical specimen finisher right now.

[loco_91]

Indeed. KO and Draymond are two extremely encouraging comps for him. Both guys demonstrate the synergy between shooting+passing in a big man, as Olynyk has managed to be one of our better offensive players despite his severe physical limitations, and Draymond has become a key cog in one of the best offenses of all time. Defensively, Bender will almost certainly be better than Olynyk and worse than Draymond, but at 7'1 (or taller?) it isn't hard to imagine that he'll be closer to Draymond than to Olynyk.

[Snakehead]

He is not going to be like Draymond Green, I will tell you that much.  Don't possibly see where that comp is coming from.  He's 7 feet tall for starters.

Draymond is special (and very unique) because he has a versatile SF's game and size and can check most bigs with no drop off on defense.  Bender isn't going to be as fast or athletic.  He is a PF at best but that's just fine.  I just don't see the comparison at all.

[walker834]

Brown is the guy who is physically built like draymond but is primarily a slasher and finisher and physical specimen right now. 

I more mean in their roles. We've wanted KO to be that but Bender is more talented imo.

Bender would basically matchup with Draymond but be different.

Brown is more athletic than Draymond but is not as good a basketball player right now. I see him like jason richardson ultimately.  Bender matches up with him differently.

[Snakehead]

I more mean in their roles. We've wanted KO to be that but Bender is more talented imo.

He shot 25% from three so he has a lot of work to do to prove that.  I don't know enough about his passing or ball handling but both need to be really strong as well to match KO.

I get the general idea about this thread btw.  You're saying "hey he's a stretch big" and you may be right but he hasn't actually proven he is there as a shooter and also I think it's really hard to say how good he is.  I hope workouts help.

[walker834]

Again  you are looking at stats that are meaningless though. He was playing 8 minutes a game.  How many players shoot good percentages in that kind of time.

rj Hunter can shoot but he can't hit the broad side of a barn playing 8 minutes  a game.

I don't care about Benders stats. His stats are utterly meaningless.

[walker834]

KG shot 0 percent at the college level.  KG's college stats are utterly meaningless because they don't exist. Bender is the same thing.  He was playing 8 minutes a game!

That kind of stuff is just absurd to me.  Why are people sharing Bender's stats.  They are meaningless.  MEANINGLESS.

[Snakehead]

rj Hunter can shoot but he can't hit the broad side of a barn playing 8 minutes  a game.

I don't agree.  As far as RJ, as a pro he can't shoot threes.  Haven't seen it and so it is just not the case.    He only shot 30% his senior year in college with a short line so I don't see him earning a shooters reputation so far.

Stats matter, that's how you measure things.  Yeah, I get the playing time issue but so far if you say Bender is a three point shooter you are not basing that on a reality.  The stats need to be there to say that.  He could shoot better percentages if he was a real shooter already.

The stats are hard to measure and that's not a positive to why you would want to draft Bender.  It makes it harder to understand what type of player he is and how good he is.  You can think he deserved to play but he didn't and we don't know much about him.

KG shot 0 percent at the college level.  KG's college stats are utterly meaningless because they don't exist.

He didn't shoot 0 percent in high school.  I don't get what you mean at all.

[walker834]

The issue is Rj might not be a good enough player or talented enough in other areas to ever get more than 8 minutes a game at the pro level.  Bender can.  We drafted Rj. he might improve and become more proficient over time in spot minutes or improve other aspects of his play where gets more time ultimately but it's the same thing. 

No one off the bat that young is going to shoot a high percentage in 8 minutes a game.

[walker834]

I'm saying KG played 0 minutes in college.  You telling me benders stats in 8 minutes a game is about close to that.

Yeah KG averaged good numbers in high school   He was playing a lot of minutes too.  So those stats are relative.

[Snakehead]

I'm saying KG played 0 minutes in college.  You telling me benders stats in 8 minutes a game is about close to that.

Yeah KG averaged good numbers in high school   He was playing a lot of minutes too.  So those stats are relative.

He's not KG.  The comparison you are making is worthless.

I'm saying we don't know hardly anything about Bender.  You are spending a lot of words talking about a guy you don't know much about.  Sorry.  That's it.

[walker834]

You telling me Bender's stats in 8 minutes a game is about as worthless as you telling me KG never made a 3 in college. My comparison is not worthless. The fact you didn't understand it says a lot though.