Why I would be fine with the 5th overall pick

[celticmania]

I wouldn't mind Bender or Murray but I prefer Simmons or Ingram.

[LooseCannon]

I agree that the fifth pick wouldn't be the end of the world.

As long as Danny doesn't pick a bricklayer like Brown or Ellenson, I'll get behind the pick.

Brown is a lot like Winslow with more athleticism and less offensive finesse...and Danny loves Winslow. Brown would be incredibly versatile defensively and although I wouldn't be stoked with the pick, I could understand/see how Danny justifies it.
Brown can basically guard 1 through 4 and some 5.

If Danny drafts Brown I will be so mad. SO MAD!!! I am glad MJ didn't take up our offer last year. Winslow is basically Marcus smart. Can't shoot. Plays great defense. Built. Heart. Very similar players just at different positions. Neither one is helpful offensively. Brown would do nothing to help our biggest need: another scorer. We don't NEED more defense, it'd be nice, but there's other ways to improve defense via free agency, trades, etc.

Please Danny, don't take brown.

The worst pick would be someone who projects as an all-offense, no-defense player.  The Celtics didn't have the #1 defense, so there is room for improvement.  Improving offensive efficiency by two points per 100 possessions isn't necessarily more desirable than improving defensive efficiency by two points per 100 possessions.

I think we can all agree that Isaiah was this guy. true, we didnt pick him, but like i said above with chambers, we did start him and maintain 4th best defense.

and the thing is, that improvement can come via free agency too, or via trades. we had the 4th best defense without a legit rim protector. think if we landed a good rim protector in free agency (biyombo, just as an example though). Surely that defense would improve. and it would allow us to go for a more offensive minded player, someone like murray or hield. They arent defensive savants, but they arent that incompetent on D

For Stevens, defense is all about effort and intelligence and using these to defend even when you have physical disadvantages.  IT at least tries on defense.  That's better than a similar offense talent who is taller and has the physical tools to play good defense, but instead plays matador defense. 

Hield might be the next JJ Reddick, but he could also end up being a taller Jimmer Fridette.  One concern with both Hield and Murray is that they may lack the lateral quickness to make up for some of their other flaws about defense.  Both may end up being best suited to a role as a scorer off the bench.
 
The upgrade that the Celtics offense needs is increasing the number of three-point shooters in the starting lineup.  Thomas and Bradley are the only decent ones, so ideally you keep them and find a shooter who plays a different position.  You can either find an upgrade over Crowder or find a legitimate stretch four (or find a SF and move Crowder to a smallball four as a starter).  This is why Dragan Bender is so attractive on paper; he projects as a versatile, possibly well-above-average defender who can play PF and switch onto a wing while also being a potential three-point shooter.

[crimson_stallion]

good general interview with Jaylen Brown...
Talks a bit about the Celtics when Sherod Blakeley asks him some questions.

Really smart, really focused guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdWHLtqyHeo

Yeah, I like him.

I think worst case he's a Crowder type guy, best case he could be a star.

[crimson_stallion]

I agree that the fifth pick wouldn't be the end of the world.

As long as Danny doesn't pick a bricklayer like Brown or Ellenson, I'll get behind the pick.

Brown is a lot like Winslow with more athleticism and less offensive finesse...and Danny loves Winslow. Brown would be incredibly versatile defensively and although I wouldn't be stoked with the pick, I could understand/see how Danny justifies it.
Brown can basically guard 1 through 4 and some 5.

If Danny drafts Brown I will be so mad. SO MAD!!! I am glad MJ didn't take up our offer last year. Winslow is basically Marcus smart. Can't shoot. Plays great defense. Built. Heart. Very similar players just at different positions. Neither one is helpful offensively. Brown would do nothing to help our biggest need: another scorer. We don't NEED more defense, it'd be nice, but there's other ways to improve defense via free agency, trades, etc.

Please Danny, don't take brown.

The worst pick would be someone who projects as an all-offense, no-defense player.  The Celtics didn't have the #1 defense, so there is room for improvement.  Improving offensive efficiency by two points per 100 possessions isn't necessarily more desirable than improving defensive efficiency by two points per 100 possessions.

I think we can all agree that Isaiah was this guy. true, we didnt pick him, but like i said above with chambers, we did start him and maintain 4th best defense.

and the thing is, that improvement can come via free agency too, or via trades. we had the 4th best defense without a legit rim protector. think if we landed a good rim protector in free agency (biyombo, just as an example though). Surely that defense would improve. and it would allow us to go for a more offensive minded player, someone like murray or hield. They arent defensive savants, but they arent that incompetent on D

For Stevens, defense is all about effort and intelligence and using these to defend even when you have physical disadvantages.  IT at least tries on defense.  That's better than a similar offense talent who is taller and has the physical tools to play good defense, but instead plays matador defense. 

Hield might be the next JJ Reddick, but he could also end up being a taller Jimmer Fridette.  One concern with both Hield and Murray is that they may lack the lateral quickness to make up for some of their other flaws about defense.  Both may end up being best suited to a role as a scorer off the bench.
 
The upgrade that the Celtics offense needs is increasing the number of three-point shooters in the starting lineup.  Thomas and Bradley are the only decent ones, so ideally you keep them and find a shooter who plays a different position.  You can either find an upgrade over Crowder or find a legitimate stretch four (or find a SF and move Crowder to a smallball four as a starter).  This is why Dragan Bender is so attractive on paper; he projects as a versatile, possibly well-above-average defender who can play PF and switch onto a wing while also being a potential three-point shooter.

I don't see any issues with Hield's lateral quickness.  He's not an elite athlete, but he is a very good one.  He plays hard on D, never seems to give up on plays, and fights constantly.  I think he could be a good defensive player, especially with his impressive length and solid height.

[chilidawg]

I agree that the fifth pick wouldn't be the end of the world.

As long as Danny doesn't pick a bricklayer like Brown or Ellenson, I'll get behind the pick.

Brown is a lot like Winslow with more athleticism and less offensive finesse...and Danny loves Winslow. Brown would be incredibly versatile defensively and although I wouldn't be stoked with the pick, I could understand/see how Danny justifies it.
Brown can basically guard 1 through 4 and some 5.

If Danny drafts Brown I will be so mad. SO MAD!!! I am glad MJ didn't take up our offer last year. Winslow is basically Marcus smart. Can't shoot. Plays great defense. Built. Heart. Very similar players just at different positions. Neither one is helpful offensively. Brown would do nothing to help our biggest need: another scorer. We don't NEED more defense, it'd be nice, but there's other ways to improve defense via free agency, trades, etc.

Please Danny, don't take brown.

The worst pick would be someone who projects as an all-offense, no-defense player.  The Celtics didn't have the #1 defense, so there is room for improvement.  Improving offensive efficiency by two points per 100 possessions isn't necessarily more desirable than improving defensive efficiency by two points per 100 possessions.

I think we can all agree that Isaiah was this guy. true, we didnt pick him, but like i said above with chambers, we did start him and maintain 4th best defense.

and the thing is, that improvement can come via free agency too, or via trades. we had the 4th best defense without a legit rim protector. think if we landed a good rim protector in free agency (biyombo, just as an example though). Surely that defense would improve. and it would allow us to go for a more offensive minded player, someone like murray or hield. They arent defensive savants, but they arent that incompetent on D

For Stevens, defense is all about effort and intelligence and using these to defend even when you have physical disadvantages.  IT at least tries on defense.  That's better than a similar offense talent who is taller and has the physical tools to play good defense, but instead plays matador defense. 

Hield might be the next JJ Reddick, but he could also end up being a taller Jimmer Fridette.  One concern with both Hield and Murray is that they may lack the lateral quickness to make up for some of their other flaws about defense.  Both may end up being best suited to a role as a scorer off the bench.
 
The upgrade that the Celtics offense needs is increasing the number of three-point shooters in the starting lineup.  Thomas and Bradley are the only decent ones, so ideally you keep them and find a shooter who plays a different position.  You can either find an upgrade over Crowder or find a legitimate stretch four (or find a SF and move Crowder to a smallball four as a starter).  This is why Dragan Bender is so attractive on paper; he projects as a versatile, possibly well-above-average defender who can play PF and switch onto a wing while also being a potential three-point shooter.

Olynyk and jerebko had the best 3 point shooting percentage.

[LooseCannon]

I agree that the fifth pick wouldn't be the end of the world.

As long as Danny doesn't pick a bricklayer like Brown or Ellenson, I'll get behind the pick.

Brown is a lot like Winslow with more athleticism and less offensive finesse...and Danny loves Winslow. Brown would be incredibly versatile defensively and although I wouldn't be stoked with the pick, I could understand/see how Danny justifies it.
Brown can basically guard 1 through 4 and some 5.

If Danny drafts Brown I will be so mad. SO MAD!!! I am glad MJ didn't take up our offer last year. Winslow is basically Marcus smart. Can't shoot. Plays great defense. Built. Heart. Very similar players just at different positions. Neither one is helpful offensively. Brown would do nothing to help our biggest need: another scorer. We don't NEED more defense, it'd be nice, but there's other ways to improve defense via free agency, trades, etc.

Please Danny, don't take brown.

The worst pick would be someone who projects as an all-offense, no-defense player.  The Celtics didn't have the #1 defense, so there is room for improvement.  Improving offensive efficiency by two points per 100 possessions isn't necessarily more desirable than improving defensive efficiency by two points per 100 possessions.

I think we can all agree that Isaiah was this guy. true, we didnt pick him, but like i said above with chambers, we did start him and maintain 4th best defense.

and the thing is, that improvement can come via free agency too, or via trades. we had the 4th best defense without a legit rim protector. think if we landed a good rim protector in free agency (biyombo, just as an example though). Surely that defense would improve. and it would allow us to go for a more offensive minded player, someone like murray or hield. They arent defensive savants, but they arent that incompetent on D

For Stevens, defense is all about effort and intelligence and using these to defend even when you have physical disadvantages.  IT at least tries on defense.  That's better than a similar offense talent who is taller and has the physical tools to play good defense, but instead plays matador defense. 

Hield might be the next JJ Reddick, but he could also end up being a taller Jimmer Fridette.  One concern with both Hield and Murray is that they may lack the lateral quickness to make up for some of their other flaws about defense.  Both may end up being best suited to a role as a scorer off the bench.
 
The upgrade that the Celtics offense needs is increasing the number of three-point shooters in the starting lineup.  Thomas and Bradley are the only decent ones, so ideally you keep them and find a shooter who plays a different position.  You can either find an upgrade over Crowder or find a legitimate stretch four (or find a SF and move Crowder to a smallball four as a starter).  This is why Dragan Bender is so attractive on paper; he projects as a versatile, possibly well-above-average defender who can play PF and switch onto a wing while also being a potential three-point shooter.

Olynyk and jerebko had the best 3 point shooting percentage.

Which one do you want to promote to the starting lineup?