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Re: Moving up to select Poeltl
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2016, 12:58:12 PM »

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Classic mid teen pick. But some dummy team will reach for him at 7-10 range

No exceptional length , strength, skills , passing skills/top iq, handles

Sabonis picked him apart round of 32.   

So no , don't trade up, for him. Stay away

You keep talking about 1 game, man. A game that Poeltl was limited because of foul problems. However, you always forget to mention their international meeting last summer where Sabonis was completely dominated by him.

Poeltl is 7-1, with nearly a 7-3 wingspan, and is said to have a vert of 36-38 inches. Then you add his ability to rebound, defend, and pass and he looks like a franchise center.

Re: Moving up to select Poeltl
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2016, 01:04:07 PM »

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Classic mid teen pick. But some dummy team will reach for him at 7-10 range

No exceptional length , strength, skills , passing skills/top iq, handles

Sabonis picked him apart round of 32.   

So no , don't trade up, for him. Stay away

You keep talking about 1 game, man. A game that Poeltl was limited because of foul problems. However, you always forget to mention their international meeting last summer where Sabonis was completely dominated by him.

Poeltl is 7-1, with nearly a 7-3 wingspan, and is said to have a vert of 36-38 inches. Then you add his ability to rebound, defend, and pass and he looks like a franchise center.

Why not then talk about the time they met in high school too?

Round 32  was the latest and was the best indication imo. Both guys considered the top guy for their teams. Both guys going 1 on 1. No double team (except eventually on Sabonis)
 
The end result. Sabonis picked him apart. Foul problems , yes bc he was schooling him, up and unders /fakes left and right. And it was on the defensive end too (look at savonis rebounding numbers vs poeltl). Poeltl was clueless

His extra length, leap capability couldn't save him.

BTW he is a good leaper after momentum like Zeller. Not quick from standstill (practical)




Re: Moving up to select Poeltl
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2016, 01:04:55 PM »

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Maybe Sabonis is that exceptional and poeltl will be a decent guy off the bench. I can see that

But with this just pick Sabonis is what I am saying

Re: Moving up to select Poeltl
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2016, 01:18:15 PM »

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Classic mid teen pick. But some dummy team will reach for him at 7-10 range

No exceptional length , strength, skills , passing skills/top iq, handles

Sabonis picked him apart round of 32.   

So no , don't trade up, for him. Stay away

You keep talking about 1 game, man. A game that Poeltl was limited because of foul problems. However, you always forget to mention their international meeting last summer where Sabonis was completely dominated by him.

Poeltl is 7-1, with nearly a 7-3 wingspan, and is said to have a vert of 36-38 inches. Then you add his ability to rebound, defend, and pass and he looks like a franchise center.

Why not then talk about the time they met in high school too?

Round 32  was the latest and was the best indication imo. Both guys considered the top guy for their teams. Both guys going 1 on 1. No double team (except eventually on Sabonis)
 
The end result. Sabonis picked him apart. Foul problems , yes bc he was schooling him, up and unders /fakes left and right. And it was on the defensive end too (look at savonis rebounding numbers vs poeltl). Poeltl was clueless

His extra length, leap capability couldn't save him.

BTW he is a good leaper after momentum like Zeller. Not quick from standstill (practical)

Don't be ignorant they played last summer. However, the underlined section says a lot. And your "analysis" on his leaping is pretty funny. Where do you come up with this stuff?

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They have also met on the court before – in an Austria vs. Lithuania game last summer in Kedainiai, won by the hosts 86-71 despite 27 points from Poeltl.

“I really didn’t go head to head with him too much,” Poeltl said. “I was mostly guarding (Toronto Raptors center) Jonas Valanciunas."
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Re: Moving up to select Poeltl
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2016, 01:27:01 PM »

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Classic mid teen pick. But some dummy team will reach for him at 7-10 range

No exceptional length , strength, skills , passing skills/top iq, handles

Sabonis picked him apart round of 32.   

So no , don't trade up, for him. Stay away

You keep talking about 1 game, man. A game that Poeltl was limited because of foul problems. However, you always forget to mention their international meeting last summer where Sabonis was completely dominated by him.

Poeltl is 7-1, with nearly a 7-3 wingspan, and is said to have a vert of 36-38 inches. Then you add his ability to rebound, defend, and pass and he looks like a franchise center.

Why not then talk about the time they met in high school too?

Round 32  was the latest and was the best indication imo. Both guys considered the top guy for their teams. Both guys going 1 on 1. No double team (except eventually on Sabonis)
 
The end result. Sabonis picked him apart. Foul problems , yes bc he was schooling him, up and unders /fakes left and right. And it was on the defensive end too (look at savonis rebounding numbers vs poeltl). Poeltl was clueless

His extra length, leap capability couldn't save him.

BTW he is a good leaper after momentum like Zeller. Not quick from standstill (practical)
The thing is length and athleticism are good indicators of upside. So while Sabonis won that match up it's likely that he won't win future ones once both develop correctly.

Also, college is a different game from the NBA. Sabonis killed Poeltl in the post, but post play happens significantly less in the NBA than it does in college.

In the NBA the most important traits for a big to have are athleticism, length and lateral quickness. Poeltl's skill set fits the NBA better than Sabonis'.

Would Sabonis be able to dominate in the same way he did in that college game, when few teams will be willing to dump the ball down to him in the post in the NBA?

I like Sabonis, but his game doesn't fit the modern NBA as well as Poeltl's regardless of what happened in what stylistically was a vastly different game than the two would be in if they went head to head in the NBA.
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Re: Moving up to select Poeltl
« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2016, 01:41:03 PM »

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Classic mid teen pick. But some dummy team will reach for him at 7-10 range

No exceptional length , strength, skills , passing skills/top iq, handles

Sabonis picked him apart round of 32.   

So no , don't trade up, for him. Stay away

You keep talking about 1 game, man. A game that Poeltl was limited because of foul problems. However, you always forget to mention their international meeting last summer where Sabonis was completely dominated by him.

Poeltl is 7-1, with nearly a 7-3 wingspan, and is said to have a vert of 36-38 inches. Then you add his ability to rebound, defend, and pass and he looks like a franchise center.

Why not then talk about the time they met in high school too?

Round 32  was the latest and was the best indication imo. Both guys considered the top guy for their teams. Both guys going 1 on 1. No double team (except eventually on Sabonis)
 
The end result. Sabonis picked him apart. Foul problems , yes bc he was schooling him, up and unders /fakes left and right. And it was on the defensive end too (look at savonis rebounding numbers vs poeltl). Poeltl was clueless

His extra length, leap capability couldn't save him.

BTW he is a good leaper after momentum like Zeller. Not quick from standstill (practical)
The thing is length and athleticism are good indicators of upside. So while Sabonis won that match up it's likely that he won't win future ones once both develop correctly.

Also, college is a different game from the NBA. Sabonis killed Poeltl in the post, but post play happens significantly less in the NBA than it does in college.

In the NBA the most important traits for a big to have are athleticism, length and lateral quickness. Poeltl's skill set fits the NBA better than Sabonis'.

Would Sabonis be able to dominate in the same way he did in that college game, when few teams will be willing to dump the ball down to him in the post in the NBA?

I like Sabonis, but his game doesn't fit the modern NBA as well as Poeltl's regardless of what happened in what stylistically was a vastly different game than the two would be in if they went head to head in the NBA.

No offense but this modern NBA game talk is a little rubbish

The reality it's just rare to see guys who have competent post skills

It's a lost art.  If the next shaq, Hakeem arrive,  the NBA will go back to how it was before. And when the next best stretch big who can rebound/block shots go back to that etc

Look at the NBA now.  How many bigs have any kind of competent post skills?  Like maybe 3?

Aldridge being one.    Do you see SA having him shoot 3s?

With this said , I'm not stating Sabonis will be unstoppable down low. But he has the capability to operate , execute and teams will have to worry about it.  Sabonis is not like Sullinger or Kelly down low. He is like a Jefferson compenetent down low. Knows what he is doing to score the bucket or pass it to the open man. He has so many tricks, combinations, it prob dizzys his opponent

It is going to be a useful weapon depending on the stage of the game.    Sabonis not only has the skills but fg percent to back it up

And he can shoot (will need to lean on this a little more at the next level) and drive to the basket.   

Re: Moving up to select Poeltl
« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2016, 01:44:51 PM »

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Re: Moving up to select Poeltl
« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2016, 01:47:16 PM »

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Classic mid teen pick. But some dummy team will reach for him at 7-10 range

No exceptional length , strength, skills , passing skills/top iq, handles

Sabonis picked him apart round of 32.   

So no , don't trade up, for him. Stay away

You keep talking about 1 game, man. A game that Poeltl was limited because of foul problems. However, you always forget to mention their international meeting last summer where Sabonis was completely dominated by him.

Poeltl is 7-1, with nearly a 7-3 wingspan, and is said to have a vert of 36-38 inches. Then you add his ability to rebound, defend, and pass and he looks like a franchise center.

Why not then talk about the time they met in high school too?

Round 32  was the latest and was the best indication imo. Both guys considered the top guy for their teams. Both guys going 1 on 1. No double team (except eventually on Sabonis)
 
The end result. Sabonis picked him apart. Foul problems , yes bc he was schooling him, up and unders /fakes left and right. And it was on the defensive end too (look at savonis rebounding numbers vs poeltl). Poeltl was clueless

His extra length, leap capability couldn't save him.

BTW he is a good leaper after momentum like Zeller. Not quick from standstill (practical)
The thing is length and athleticism are good indicators of upside. So while Sabonis won that match up it's likely that he won't win future ones once both develop correctly.

Also, college is a different game from the NBA. Sabonis killed Poeltl in the post, but post play happens significantly less in the NBA than it does in college.

In the NBA the most important traits for a big to have are athleticism, length and lateral quickness. Poeltl's skill set fits the NBA better than Sabonis'.

Would Sabonis be able to dominate in the same way he did in that college game, when few teams will be willing to dump the ball down to him in the post in the NBA?

I like Sabonis, but his game doesn't fit the modern NBA as well as Poeltl's regardless of what happened in what stylistically was a vastly different game than the two would be in if they went head to head in the NBA.

No offense but this modern NBA game talk is a little rubbish

The reality it's just rare to see guys who have competent post skills

It's a lost art.  If the next shaq, Hakeem arrive,  the NBA will go back to how it was before. And when the next best stretch big who can rebound/block shots go back to that etc

Look at the NBA now.  How many bigs have any kind of competent post skills?  Like maybe 3?

Aldridge being one.    Do you see SA having him shoot 3s?

With this said , I'm not stating Sabonis will be unstoppable down low. But he has the capability to operate , execute and teams will have to worry about it.  Sabonis is not like Sullinger or Kelly down low. He is like a Jefferson compenetent down low. Knows what he is doing to score the bucket or pass it to the open man. He has so many tricks, combinations, it prob dizzys his opponent

It is going to be a useful weapon depending on the stage of the game.    Sabonis not only has the skills but fg percent to back it up

And he can shoot (will need to lean on this a little more at the next level) and drive to the basket.
It's not rubbish. With the way the rules have changed in the last 20 years it's now easier to run clever double teams to the post which is why it is one of the least efficient shot types in the NBA. Even post stalwarts like Al Jefferson don't produce more points per possession in the post than decent stretch 4's produce from 3.

The fact is that teams are taking less shots from the post than ever before and no team is going to change that because a mid first round pick operates well in the post.

If you think Sabonis is going to come into the league and be fed the ball in the post you are in for a surprise. Him being able to operate well in the post is not that important because teams don't post up as much, no team is going to change what they fundamentally do for Sabonis.
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Re: Moving up to select Poeltl
« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2016, 01:52:52 PM »

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Classic mid teen pick. But some dummy team will reach for him at 7-10 range

No exceptional length , strength, skills , passing skills/top iq, handles

Sabonis picked him apart round of 32.   

So no , don't trade up, for him. Stay away

You keep talking about 1 game, man. A game that Poeltl was limited because of foul problems. However, you always forget to mention their international meeting last summer where Sabonis was completely dominated by him.

Poeltl is 7-1, with nearly a 7-3 wingspan, and is said to have a vert of 36-38 inches. Then you add his ability to rebound, defend, and pass and he looks like a franchise center.

Why not then talk about the time they met in high school too?

Round 32  was the latest and was the best indication imo. Both guys considered the top guy for their teams. Both guys going 1 on 1. No double team (except eventually on Sabonis)
 
The end result. Sabonis picked him apart. Foul problems , yes bc he was schooling him, up and unders /fakes left and right. And it was on the defensive end too (look at savonis rebounding numbers vs poeltl). Poeltl was clueless

His extra length, leap capability couldn't save him.

BTW he is a good leaper after momentum like Zeller. Not quick from standstill (practical)
The thing is length and athleticism are good indicators of upside. So while Sabonis won that match up it's likely that he won't win future ones once both develop correctly.

Also, college is a different game from the NBA. Sabonis killed Poeltl in the post, but post play happens significantly less in the NBA than it does in college.

In the NBA the most important traits for a big to have are athleticism, length and lateral quickness. Poeltl's skill set fits the NBA better than Sabonis'.

Would Sabonis be able to dominate in the same way he did in that college game, when few teams will be willing to dump the ball down to him in the post in the NBA?

I like Sabonis, but his game doesn't fit the modern NBA as well as Poeltl's regardless of what happened in what stylistically was a vastly different game than the two would be in if they went head to head in the NBA.

No offense but this modern NBA game talk is a little rubbish

The reality it's just rare to see guys who have competent post skills

It's a lost art.  If the next shaq, Hakeem arrive,  the NBA will go back to how it was before. And when the next best stretch big who can rebound/block shots go back to that etc

Look at the NBA now.  How many bigs have any kind of competent post skills?  Like maybe 3?

Aldridge being one.    Do you see SA having him shoot 3s?

With this said , I'm not stating Sabonis will be unstoppable down low. But he has the capability to operate , execute and teams will have to worry about it.  Sabonis is not like Sullinger or Kelly down low. He is like a Jefferson compenetent down low. Knows what he is doing to score the bucket or pass it to the open man. He has so many tricks, combinations, it prob dizzys his opponent

It is going to be a useful weapon depending on the stage of the game.    Sabonis not only has the skills but fg percent to back it up

And he can shoot (will need to lean on this a little more at the next level) and drive to the basket.
It's not rubbish. With the way the rules have changed in the last 20 years it's now easier to run clever double teams to the post which is why it is one of the least efficient shot types in the NBA. Even post stalwarts like Al Jefferson don't produce more points per possession in the post than decent stretch 4's produce from 3.

The fact is that teams are taking less shots from the post than ever before and no team is going to change that because a mid first round pick operates well in the post.

If you think Sabonis is going to come into the league and be fed the ball in the post you are in for a surprise. Him being able to operate well in the post is not that important because teams don't post up as much, no team is going to change what they fundamentally do for Sabonis.

AL Jefferson?  He is over the hill. That's why

How many bigs can shoot /defend?

Modern NBA wants this but it is still not the norm

There are still Drummond's, David West. Valenciunas, etc of the world

Draymond Green is an exception


If Sabonis can make 2 or 3 post bucks in a row or 3 out of 5 when a team can't buy a bucket. You take that.  This is where the value comes in


Re: Moving up to select Poeltl
« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2016, 01:55:54 PM »

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Classic mid teen pick. But some dummy team will reach for him at 7-10 range

No exceptional length , strength, skills , passing skills/top iq, handles

Sabonis picked him apart round of 32.   

So no , don't trade up, for him. Stay away

You keep talking about 1 game, man. A game that Poeltl was limited because of foul problems. However, you always forget to mention their international meeting last summer where Sabonis was completely dominated by him.

Poeltl is 7-1, with nearly a 7-3 wingspan, and is said to have a vert of 36-38 inches. Then you add his ability to rebound, defend, and pass and he looks like a franchise center.

Why not then talk about the time they met in high school too?

Round 32  was the latest and was the best indication imo. Both guys considered the top guy for their teams. Both guys going 1 on 1. No double team (except eventually on Sabonis)
 
The end result. Sabonis picked him apart. Foul problems , yes bc he was schooling him, up and unders /fakes left and right. And it was on the defensive end too (look at savonis rebounding numbers vs poeltl). Poeltl was clueless

His extra length, leap capability couldn't save him.

BTW he is a good leaper after momentum like Zeller. Not quick from standstill (practical)
The thing is length and athleticism are good indicators of upside. So while Sabonis won that match up it's likely that he won't win future ones once both develop correctly.

Also, college is a different game from the NBA. Sabonis killed Poeltl in the post, but post play happens significantly less in the NBA than it does in college.

In the NBA the most important traits for a big to have are athleticism, length and lateral quickness. Poeltl's skill set fits the NBA better than Sabonis'.

Would Sabonis be able to dominate in the same way he did in that college game, when few teams will be willing to dump the ball down to him in the post in the NBA?

I like Sabonis, but his game doesn't fit the modern NBA as well as Poeltl's regardless of what happened in what stylistically was a vastly different game than the two would be in if they went head to head in the NBA.

No offense but this modern NBA game talk is a little rubbish

The reality it's just rare to see guys who have competent post skills

It's a lost art.  If the next shaq, Hakeem arrive,  the NBA will go back to how it was before. And when the next best stretch big who can rebound/block shots go back to that etc

Look at the NBA now.  How many bigs have any kind of competent post skills?  Like maybe 3?

Aldridge being one.    Do you see SA having him shoot 3s?

With this said , I'm not stating Sabonis will be unstoppable down low. But he has the capability to operate , execute and teams will have to worry about it.  Sabonis is not like Sullinger or Kelly down low. He is like a Jefferson compenetent down low. Knows what he is doing to score the bucket or pass it to the open man. He has so many tricks, combinations, it prob dizzys his opponent

It is going to be a useful weapon depending on the stage of the game.    Sabonis not only has the skills but fg percent to back it up

And he can shoot (will need to lean on this a little more at the next level) and drive to the basket.
It's not rubbish. With the way the rules have changed in the last 20 years it's now easier to run clever double teams to the post which is why it is one of the least efficient shot types in the NBA. Even post stalwarts like Al Jefferson don't produce more points per possession in the post than decent stretch 4's produce from 3.

The fact is that teams are taking less shots from the post than ever before and no team is going to change that because a mid first round pick operates well in the post.

If you think Sabonis is going to come into the league and be fed the ball in the post you are in for a surprise. Him being able to operate well in the post is not that important because teams don't post up as much, no team is going to change what they fundamentally do for Sabonis.

AL Jefferson?  He is over the hill. That's why

How many bigs can shoot /defend?

Modern NBA wants this but it is still not the norm

There are still Drummond's, David West. Valenciunas, etc of the world

Draymond Green is an exception


If Sabonis can make 2 or 3 post bucks in a row or 3 out of 5 when a team can't buy a bucket. You take that.  This is where the value comes in
He's not going to get those opportunities when teams can't get a bucket. If his team is struggling to score they are going to sub him out for someone that spaces the floor to open it up for their better players.

Not only would I rather have Poeltl, I'd rather have Brice Johnson.
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Re: Moving up to select Poeltl
« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2016, 01:58:45 PM »

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And why are you talking about poeltl and modern NBA fit? He can't shoot.  Sabonis can shoot better than him

Sabonis is a better overall defender also.  Shot blocking is the only thing poeltl can do better

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« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2016, 02:00:33 PM »

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And why are you talking about poeltl and modern NBA fit? He can't shoot.  Sabonis can shoot better than him

Sabonis is a better overall defender.
It's less important for Centers to shoot than it is for PFs and Sabonis is a pf.

If Sabonis is a center in the NBA he's really going to struggle as a back line defender. Sabonis is a better post defender, Poeltl is a better help defender/rim protector.
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Re: Moving up to select Poeltl
« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2016, 02:27:49 PM »

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And why are you talking about poeltl and modern NBA fit? He can't shoot.  Sabonis can shoot better than him

Sabonis is a better overall defender.
It's less important for Centers to shoot than it is for PFs and Sabonis is a pf.

If Sabonis is a center in the NBA he's really going to struggle as a back line defender. Sabonis is a better post defender, Poeltl is a better help defender/rim protector.

Not from what I saw.   Sabonis is more than competent perimeter defender and rim protector. Sabonis prob took more charges than poeltl did last season

Rim protection and shot blocking are two diff things.   Sabonis not only a good  post defender (one form of rim protection) , he is good at taking charges, taking away lanes to have penetrators change their actions

KO is also good at these things. So is Draymond Green. And you play to try to prevent most of the time .   Draymond Green is no super shot blocker

In terms of who is the better "thinker" while the game is ongoing ,  Sabonis has the edge vs poeltl imo

You know let's see what happens and who is right. 

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« Reply #28 on: May 12, 2016, 02:28:48 PM »

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And why are you talking about poeltl and modern NBA fit? He can't shoot.  Sabonis can shoot better than him

Sabonis is a better overall defender also.  Shot blocking is the only thing poeltl can do better

Triboy, you're losing credibility.

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« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2016, 02:33:47 PM »

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And why are you talking about poeltl and modern NBA fit? He can't shoot.  Sabonis can shoot better than him

Sabonis is a better overall defender also.  Shot blocking is the only thing poeltl can do better

Triboy, you're losing credibility.

I don't care?

For example All the length, skills can't save you, if in the end you can't play

Eddie you care alot about the "surface" vs "substance".  Look into it deeper is all I can advise you

Not compare Sabonis to collision for example (on the surface comparable , go deeper and Sabonis is the better prospect at the same age)