Revisiting Sully

[walker834]

I've never been one to jump on the bandwagon of singling players out.  People loved Sully and used to hate on KO. Sully is up for contract. His play also hasn't warranted a huge extension.  He still did average 10 and 8 for us last year in limited minutes.  I've always been a proponent of keeping players we develop vs losing them for nothing if we can and if it doesn't affect the cap. Stuff like bird rights are in place for that reason and shouldn't necessarily be squandered.  I'm also not someone who says don't sign a guy because wants x number of dollars.  We don't know what Sully wants or expects yet and it's more how it fits into the salary cap construct anyways. If we have already cleared space to sign free agents and can sign Sully and keep our own players vs losing them for nothing there really is no reason not to keep him if it doesn't affect the future outlook.

If we can draft a player cheaper and open up room to improve our team in better ways through free agency or trades though he is a gone. Robert Carter jr is a player draft express has us taking with our last pick who is a guy like Tractor Trailer who players more inside and has really worked on becoming more of an interior player who can shoot a high percentage. He might be a guy worth waiving goodbye to Sully for if we can improve in other ways in the draft and through free agency as well.

I feel like if Sully had a ton of value around the league he would have been dealt in ways already. He probably doesn't although Ainge still might be able to work out a deal as well.

[rondohondo]

nope, he blew it, couldn't even stay in shape on a contract year. Has already had a fractured foot and back surgery because of the weight. His health isn't going to magically get better as he ages, especially with that body and poor work ethic/ attitude.

See ya Sully.

[Donoghus]

Don't want him on this team next year. 

Too erratic & there were too many times during the second half of the season & playoffs where he looked absolute lost & provided zero value while on the floor.   Certainly looked like he regressed from October to April. 

It's time for a change of scenery.

[walker834]

nope, he blew it, couldn't even stay in shape on a contract year. Has already had a fractured foot and back surgery because of the weight. His health isn't going to magically get better as he ages, especially with that body and poor work ethic/ attitude.

See ya Sully.

AB and even Crowder have had these same injury issues though because of increased time.  Same with KO.  I more feel like none of these guys are conditioned to be playing the minutes they are at this stage in their careers.  KO doesn't play a ton of minutes either and always seems to get hurt.

At least Sully was out there all season.  He was more durable this year than any of those guys funny enough.

This is what I mean with fans though.  They used to beat up on KO because of his defense when Sully was untouchable around that time and was just as bad that year.

[walker834]

I think Ainge has an opportunity to really revamp our big men this offseason though which means Sully might be gone.  He might not be though.  Getting rid of Sully might be a big part of that revamp.  It might not. This is why Ainge gets paid the big bucks though to look at it logically and figure that out.

[incoherent]

It does not matter at all if Sully was good or bad or average. 

What matters is at this point, if we sign him, we ruin our flexibility going into the next 2 off seasons... which is a big no no.

Pretty much less then 5% we sign him I say.

[walker834]

It does not matter at all if Sully was good or bad or average. 

What matters is at this point, if we sign him, we ruin our flexibility going into the next 2 off seasons... which is a big no no.

Pretty much less then 5% we sign him I say.

That's the question to me does it?  Wyc is saying we have room for 2 max free agents.  Does that include Sully or would he be a part of it?  I haven't really looked at the numbers.  If we can't get 2 max guys and depending on what is out there Sully may still be the best option or part of that.  I'm feeling like Ainge can do better though. The object is to improve and Ainge is in position to do that with our big men this offseason.  I just wonder if Sully will be part of it or not.

If there are no free agents to sign or spend that money on etc.  Ainge has to go out there looking for the best options and Sully has to be a part of that consideration.  The object is to improve though.

[Roy H.]

In an ideal world, he "bets on himself" and plays for the qualifying offer. I can't see it happening, though. There are just too many teams with money to blow.

[walker834]

Sully is still our free agent and we have the right to match and bird rights on him if I'm not mistaken.  So he has to be considered at the very least. I dont think the goal is to come out of this offseason with Sully though or just Sully for that matter.

[kozlodoev]

In an ideal world, he "bets on himself" and plays for the qualifying offer. I can't see it happening, though. There are just too many teams with money to blow.

You sure we're extending one? There are no compensatory picks in the NBA

[Tr1boy]

What happens if nobody offers him a deal. Do the Celts have to sign him? Or if the Celts don't he becomes a ufa?

Gota feeling if nobody signs him, Danny will for a 3 year 6-7 million  a year

[walker834]

What happens if nobody offers him a deal. Do the Celts have to sign him? Or if the Celts don't he becomes a ufa?

Gota feeling if nobody signs him, Danny will for a 3 year 6-7 million  a year

I think we can relinquish our rights on him. We have rights which means we can also relinquish them and he becomes unrestricted. the celtics haven't done that as of yet though is the point.  So there's still a chance lol.

Ainge is going to let everything and the process to play out anyways.  Keeping him restricted causes other teams to bid etc..  Keeps options open for sign and trades etc I believe as well.

[PhoSita]

Somebody will give Sully at least three years.

Somebody will give him at least 12-14 million per year.

I'm not sure if anybody will offer both.


Either way, I'd say buh-bye.

The Celts can do better.  Worst case scenario, just start Jerebko and give Mickey the backup minutes.

[saltlover]

I expect Sully will be extended a qualifying offer. This will allow Ainge to see where the market is and gives him right of first refusal.  I would be okay if he returned for his one-year qualifying offer.

[kozlodoev]

What happens if nobody offers him a deal. Do the Celts have to sign him? Or if the Celts don't he becomes a ufa?

Gota feeling if nobody signs him, Danny will for a 3 year 6-7 million  a year

I think we can relinquish our rights on him. We have rights which means we can also relinquish them and he becomes unrestricted. the celtics haven't done that as of yet though is the point.  So there's still a chance lol.

Ainge is going to let everything and the process to play out anyways.  Keeping him restricted causes other teams to bid etc..  Keeps options open for sign and trades etc I believe as well.

He has a $3.2 million qualifying offer. If we extend a QO, he becomes a RFA. If he is a RFA, we have the right to match each offer he gets. If he doesn't get any offers (including from the Celtics), he can just sign the QO and play for that.

If he signs the QO we have effectively signed him, so yeah -- he has to play for us. To the extent to which the QO is a cap hold as soon as it becomes extended, this is largely an irrelevant scenario, though. I am not sure what the rules are about rescinding QOs.

Also, Wyc's "two max contracts" only work if we non-tended Sullinger, Johnson, Jerebko and Turner, so I'm not sure it's really going to happen the way he describes it.