Trading back with Denver to#7, select Hield/Poeltl

[Jarrin John]

So Boston trades the third or fourth pick to Denver for 7,15, and 19.

Sweet suggestion. 

 

The Celtics would have the 15,16,19, and 23rd picks  also 31 and 35.

I love it. Lots and lots of picks = lots of chances at finding a star. Cheap labor is always in vogue, even if temporarily devalued because of the cap explosion. Plus, picks can be traded.

[CoachBo]

Poeltl would be a disastrous pick. I hate his feet, and I saw him - in person - get dominated by smaller bigs from Wichita State

NO interest in him. At all.

[CoachBo]

I can't imagine Ainge trading for more picks unless he already has another deal in place to trade them for a star. I do like the idea of picking up additional assets if we land outside the top 2, though. I would rather have to take somebody like Dunn at seven than choose to take Bender at three.

But I don't think it will matter anyway. Like the 07 draft, if we don't land inside the top 2, then it makes too much sense not to make a trade for a Bulter, Love, etc and then try to sign a relevant body in free agency. I am also not so sure we don't bring back Amir - without his foot injury, he is playing exactly how I hoped.

pretty much this.  unless Ainge has something set up to move newly-acquired assets, I can't see him making a deal to acquire more draft picks.   I could see him dropping back a few slots if he also gets a future unprotected first rounder from a team that doesn't figure to get out of the lottery.  another pick in next year's deeper draft wouldn't suck

An all-rookie team? Not happening. Ainge is moving picks. He's not making moves for more.

And given his spotty draft record, the LAST thing I want to see him do is make more draft picks.

[Csfan1984]

Warning this is a long one
Like the idea of moving seconds for the 1st and if giving up 3rd overall. Is part of that then I'm okay. Say 3, 51, and 58 for 7, 15 and 19. Even if Heild and Sabonis go top 6 team does well. Here is my mock up to C's last 1st;

1 Ingram to 76ers. 2 Simmons to Lak. 3 Heild to Nuggs.  4 Bender to Suns. 5 Sabonis to Wolves. 6 Brown to Pel.

IMO Nuggets will want Heild to pair with Mudiay, Gali, Faried, and Nur. Then Harris, Barton, Chandler, and Jok off bench. Nice 9 man rotation.
So that leaves Lab, Ellenson, Dunn, and Murray. Out of those I see Lab as the most upside and need.

7 Lab to Celtics.
8 Murray to Kings. 9 Ellenson to Raps. 10 Dunn to Bux. 11 Poeltl to Mag. 12 Luw to Jazz. 13 Davis to Suns. 14 Jackson to Bulls

So 15 and 16 we have Chriss, Valentine, Rabb, Korkmaz or maybe a center. Again C's going upside.

15 Chriss and 16 Korkmaz to Celtics.
17 Valentine to Grizz. 18 Rabb to Pistons.

There is a good chance to get a system role player at 19-23 but I think C's still need to get guys that can possibly become more of a star and also to fill the possible big man voids of Sully, Zeller and/or AJ.

19 Zubac to Celtics.
20 Prince to Pacers. 21 B.Johnson to Hawks 22 Stone to Hornets
Now I had the last three teams get system guys and needs as there are no potential star players left. C's do the same at 23.

23 Zimmerman to Celtics.

Now if you can trade 31, 35 and 45 for 25 or 26 then I mock
24 Baldwin to 76ers. 25 Ulis to Clippers
26. Zizic to Celtics.

So Lab, Chriss, and Zubac via trade Vs the 3rd pick (Bender, Heild, or Murray) plus who the C's could get at 51 and 58. Zizic via trade for remaining seconds I do the trades all day.

IT/Smart/Rozier
AB/Hunter
Jae/Young
KO/Mickey/Chriss*
Lab*/Zimmerman*
Stash Korkmaz, Zubac and Zizic a year. Try for Hordford and KD or end up with AJ back and possibly Barnes. There is a high chance that DA hits big at least 1x it being 6 first rounders. You leave one roster spot open for a possible buy out signing.

[budMovin]

Quite the contrary. You throw everything, including the kitchen sink in order to get into the top 2. We haven't drafted a guy you can build a team around since Paul Pierce inexplicably fell to us in 1998 at pick 10. We need high end talent in the worst kind of way since we seem to struggle to look appealing to top free agents. Trade every pick this year and package it with Marcus Smart if you have to.

We have so many picks in the coming years and only so many spots available.

The other option is to trade the pick(s) and start loading up on veterans. We did this in 2007 when we missed out on the Durant/Oden sweepstakes. Worked out pretty good for us.

[Big333223]

Quite the contrary. You throw everything, including the kitchen sink in order to get into the top 2. We haven't drafted a guy you can build a team around since Paul Pierce inexplicably fell to us in 1998 at pick 10. We need high end talent in the worst kind of way since we seem to struggle to look appealing to top free agents. Trade every pick this year and package it with Marcus Smart if you have to.

We have so many picks in the coming years and only so many spots available.

The other option is to trade the pick(s) and start loading up on veterans. We did this in 2007 when we missed out on the Duran/Oden sweepstakes. Worked out pretty good for us.

I agree with this. If we wind up outside the top 2, I'd rather throw everything we can at both of those teams and try to get a star that way. We've got a full roster now, we wouldn't even have to room to add the rookies we have picks for now, trading for more is nonsensical. We'd wind up just cutting half of the players we draft.

[walker834]

Poeltl would be a disastrous pick. I hate his feet, and I saw him - in person - get dominated by smaller bigs from Wichita State

NO interest in him. At all.

Weird everything  I've seen from him seems to show that his feet are his strong suit.  He's got big baby feet in ways always seems active in small spaces.     Definately not prototypical but what is that anyways.

Seems like a guy who is going to find the blue sky as tommy says and draw charges as well.  He looks good to me close to the basket.  He should shoot a good percentage.  His weakness is he is seems to play solely close to the basket and in small spaces but can run the floor fairly well just because of his effort.

He's got good feet.  Maybe not prototypical is all.  Might struggle against smaller players who match his quickness, but what big man doesn't at times.

[boscel33]

I'd be more interested in signing Horford and that a S&T with GSW for Barnes with the Dallas pick.

Now you have IT, Smart, Barnes, and Horford as the core.  Maybe Philly would move Noel for Smart and a pick, then you have IT, AB, Barnes,Horford, and Noel.

[tankcity!]

 Who would be mad at this.

 #7 Hield
 #15 Sabonis
 #16 Chriss or Valentine
 #19 Ante Zizic Stash
 #23 Brice Johnson
 #31 Thon Maker Stash

 This draft would help short term with Hield and Sabonis could make an immediate impact. While also having Maker and Zizic and Chriss all with big-time Upside.

I would be. First Chriss is supposed to be a lottery pick. Second, does this team even have room for those players?

[LooseCannon]

Sell Vlade on a rebuild. We need stars, not rookies.

The one you have to sell on a rebuild is Vivek.  I honestly don't think Cousins will be available until he is an expiring contract unless he does something like physically assault team personnel.

[crimson_stallion]

I can't imagine Ainge trading for more picks unless he already has another deal in place to trade them for a star. I do like the idea of picking up additional assets if we land outside the top 2, though. I would rather have to take somebody like Dunn at seven than choose to take Bender at three.

But I don't think it will matter anyway. Like the 07 draft, if we don't land inside the top 2, then it makes too much sense not to make a trade for a Bulter, Love, etc and then try to sign a relevant body in free agency. I am also not so sure we don't bring back Amir - without his foot injury, he is playing exactly how I hoped.

pretty much this.  unless Ainge has something set up to move newly-acquired assets, I can't see him making a deal to acquire more draft picks.   I could see him dropping back a few slots if he also gets a future unprotected first rounder from a team that doesn't figure to get out of the lottery.  another pick in next year's deeper draft wouldn't suck

An all-rookie team? Not happening. Ainge is moving picks. He's not making moves for more.

And given his spotty draft record, the LAST thing I want to see him do is make more draft picks.

Spotty draft record?

Taking:
* Tony Allen at #25 in 2004
* Gerald Green at #18 in 2005
* Rajon Rondo at #21 in 2006
* Avery Bradley at # 19 in 2010
* E'twaun Moore at # 55 in 2011
* Jared Sullinger at #21 in 2012
* Kelly Olynyk at #13 in 2013
* Marcus Smart at #6 in 2014

It's pretty hard to argue against Ainge's drafting ability.  That's 8 guys over the past 10 years that Danny Ainge has drafted who have grown to become legitimate NBA players, and that is despite the fact that outside of Olynyk and Smart, every one of those guys was taken well outside of the lottery.

In the past decade Danny has only had one opportunity to select in the top 12, in which he chose Smart.  While Smart hasn't broken out yet, he's a quality young player who has has definite upside, and with the exception of maybe (and that's a MAYBE) Zach Lavine, none of the guys available at that point (Randle, Payton, McDermott, etc) look any better then Smart right now. 

Not sure how anybody could have realistically made better draft selections then Danny Ainge over the past 10 years, once taking into account where his picks were (and who was available).  You might have your odd Rudy Gobert here and there that slipped through (for everybody, not just Ainge) but other then that he's selected [dang] near flawlessly. 

Getting picks like Tony Allen at #25, Rajon Rondo at #21, Avery Bradley at # 19, E'twaun Moore at # 55, Jared Sullinger at #21 - those are absolute home runs as far as draft performances go.  I think we'll be saying the same about Terry Rozier and Jordan Mickey a couple of years from now too.  Maybe even Hunter.

[crimson_stallion]

I'd be more interested in signing Horford and that a S&T with GSW for Barnes with the Dallas pick.

Now you have IT, Smart, Barnes, and Horford as the core.  Maybe Philly would move Noel for Smart and a pick, then you have IT, AB, Barnes,Horford, and Noel.

...and with around $45m invested in Barnes and Horford you've now reached the salary cap, with barely enough talent to become a solid first / second round playoff exit for the next 5 years.

Unless you happen to get REALLY lucky and find that one of the young guys (Barnes, Smart/Noel, Rozier) develops into a superstar, which could (but probably won't) happen.

[Geo123]

 Denver falls in love with either Bender or Murray. Ainge is Luke warm on both, he's much more comfortable selecting Hield or Poeltl in the seventh slot.

 So Boston trades the third or fourth pick to Denver for 7,15, and 19.

 The Celtics can draft either Poeltl, Hield or Skal Labissiere 7th. And now either make a massive trade for Okafor or Cousins, or move up to select whoever they choose.

 The Celtics would have the 15,16,19, and 23rd picks  also 31 and 35. At this point you can move up and grab Deyonta Davis, Sabonis, D Jones, Valentine, basically whoever you want.

 You could also stash Ante Zizic, Jeanne, and Thon Maker and not make any trades.

 Possibilities are endless at that point. Do you think Philly would be interested in four first round picks 15,16,19 and 23 for Okafor. Seems fair.

 Then we come away with Buddy Hield, Okafor and Brice Johnson in the second round.

No more multiple picks.  We've got enough. 

[vjcsmoke]

Hell no.  You don't trade back in this draft.  If we are stuck with #3 and don't want to select a player, we create a package for a star player and trade for a Griffin, Cousins, or Butler.  That increases our chances of landing Durant or Horford over the summer.  Instant big 3!

[mr. dee]

We are looking to consolidate picks, not multiply them. If anything, Danny would be looking to move up either the Dallas or the Boston pick and cash it with future picks and 2nd rounders