Trading back with Denver to#7, select Hield/Poeltl

[KG Living Legend]

 Denver falls in love with either Bender or Murray. Ainge is Luke warm on both, he's much more comfortable selecting Hield or Poeltl in the seventh slot.

 So Boston trades the third or fourth pick to Denver for 7,15, and 19.

 The Celtics can draft either Poeltl, Hield or Skal Labissiere 7th. And now either make a massive trade for Okafor or Cousins, or move up to select whoever they choose.

 The Celtics would have the 15,16,19, and 23rd picks  also 31 and 35. At this point you can move up and grab Deyonta Davis, Sabonis, D Jones, Valentine, basically whoever you want.

 You could also stash Ante Zizic, Jeanne, and Thon Maker and not make any trades.

 Possibilities are endless at that point. Do you think Philly would be interested in four first round picks 15,16,19 and 23 for Okafor. Seems fair.

 Then we come away with Buddy Hield, Okafor and Brice Johnson in the second round.

[crimson_stallion]

I really doubt he would take the gamble. 

I think that outside of the top 2 (which are pretty much set in stone) anything could happen in this draft.  I could very easily see Hield getting selected 3rd or 4th.  If Danny made the move suggested, then there is a very significant risk on him losing out on his man.   7th is long way from 3rd, and a LOT can happen in that time.

More likely he see's who is available at #3, and if anything trades down to #4 or #5.  In that range he has a far higher chance of getting one of those guys. 

I don't think Poieltl will go top 5, but I'm pretty sure Hield will. 

[KG Living Legend]

 Who would be mad at this.

 #7 Hield
 #15 Sabonis
 #16 Chriss or Valentine
 #19 Ante Zizic Stash
 #23 Brice Johnson
 #31 Thon Maker Stash

 This draft would help short term with Hield and Sabonis could make an immediate impact. While also having Maker and Zizic and Chriss all with big-time Upside.
 

[KG Living Legend]

I really doubt he would take the gamble. 

I think that outside of the top 2 (which are pretty much set in stone) anything could happen in this draft.  I could very easily see Hield getting selected 3rd or 4th.  If Danny made the move suggested, then there is a very significant risk on him losing out on his man.   7th is long way from 3rd, and a LOT can happen in that time.

More likely he see's who is available at #3, and if anything trades down to #4 or #5.  In that range he has a far higher chance of getting one of those guys. 

I don't think Poieltl will go top 5, but I'm pretty sure Hield will.

 That's kind of my point through if Danny is more comfortable with whoever is left out of Hield/ Poeltl/ Jaylen Brown/ Skal/ Murray than he is taking Bender or Say Hield Third than you go ahead and trade back right..

[KG Living Legend]

 Actually Jaylen Brown makes sense at the #7 spot if he slips. He should skip IMO. You can make the case both Winslow and Stanley Johnson were better than Jaylen as freshman.

 Stanley went 8th and Winslow tenth.

 I also would be more comfortable taking Brown 7th than 3rd.

 Jaylen Brown
 Sabonis
 Valentine
 Zizic

 Between Crowder/Brown/Valentine thats a combination of everything at SF. Plus they all can play multiple positions with the Chance Brown becomes a star.

[walker834]

I could see Ainge being enamored with Hield and Poeltl.  Poeltl plays tough and pretty physical.  And Hield can shoot lights out.  It definately addresses needs which is making shots and a tough interior presence.   If Ainge feels we aren't going to find Larry Bird or Bill Russell in this draft I can see it.  Bill Russell does not exist here.  None of the centers are that unless i'm missing something on Maker. There is no kevin garnett here or even Paul Pierce.  Ingram is good but he is lanky and not a distributer or great finisher yet.   I like Bender but he's a gamble for sure. If Ainge isn't sold on any of the stars or trading for one either for that matter it makes sense.  I feel the same way in ways.  We still have the nets picks coming up the next 2 drafts.  I haven't looked at future drafts too much but there are the same issues however.

If there are two knowns in this draft it's that Hield can shoot and can make shots. Poeltl also plays tough and has size where he is more a sure thing as a physical defender than most if not all other bigs.  Both are needs for us too.

Sabonis is more well rounded but is going to take some time.  Poeltl strength is his post defense and ability to play tough.  None of the other centers are that at all. Sabonis isn't even a great post defender right now.

Brown can take it to the rim. That much is known.  Ingram can't even finish like that right now.

Dunn is a good pg.  Simmons has  a lot of hype surrounding him.  Everything else is a crap shoot.

[jambr380]

I can't imagine Ainge trading for more picks unless he already has another deal in place to trade them for a star. I do like the idea of picking up additional assets if we land outside the top 2, though. I would rather have to take somebody like Dunn at seven than choose to take Bender at three.

But I don't think it will matter anyway. Like the 07 draft, if we don't land inside the top 2, then it makes too much sense not to make a trade for a Bulter, Love, etc and then try to sign a relevant body in free agency. I am also not so sure we don't bring back Amir - without his foot injury, he is playing exactly how I hoped.

[slamtheking]

I can't imagine Ainge trading for more picks unless he already has another deal in place to trade them for a star. I do like the idea of picking up additional assets if we land outside the top 2, though. I would rather have to take somebody like Dunn at seven than choose to take Bender at three.

But I don't think it will matter anyway. Like the 07 draft, if we don't land inside the top 2, then it makes too much sense not to make a trade for a Bulter, Love, etc and then try to sign a relevant body in free agency. I am also not so sure we don't bring back Amir - without his foot injury, he is playing exactly how I hoped.

pretty much this.  unless Ainge has something set up to move newly-acquired assets, I can't see him making a deal to acquire more draft picks.   I could see him dropping back a few slots if he also gets a future unprotected first rounder from a team that doesn't figure to get out of the lottery.  another pick in next year's deeper draft wouldn't suck

[hwangjini_1]

 Who would be mad at this.

 #7 Hield
 #15 Sabonis
 #16 Chriss or Valentine
 #19 Ante Zizic Stash
 #23 Brice Johnson
 #31 Thon Maker Stash

 This draft would help short term with Hield and Sabonis could make an immediate impact. While also having Maker and Zizic and Chriss all with big-time Upside.

me. 

[Roy H.]

Sell Vlade on a rebuild. We need stars, not rookies.

[Endless Paradise]

... why would Ainge want more picks in this draft? You do realize there are 15 roster spots, right? Unless you're about to start a firesale of the current players, Ainge should be looking to consolidate his picks.

[jambr380]

It sure would be great if early in this offseason it was decided that every team gets an NBDL affiliate and all players of that affiliate are 'property' of their respective NBA team. Then we could draft and draft to out heart's content. The 15 man roster limit doesn't make sense with the NBDL in place.

[nickagneta]

 Who would be mad at this.

 #7 Hield
 #15 Sabonis
 #16 Chriss or Valentine
 #19 Ante Zizic Stash
 #23 Brice Johnson
 #31 Thon Maker Stash

 This draft would help short term with Hield and Sabonis could make an immediate impact. While also having Maker and Zizic and Chriss all with big-time Upside.

ME!! This team needs one or two more stars not five or six more rookies. Are we trying to win championships or are we trying to find our way to the bottom of the standings while flooding our team with young players that are years and years away from contributing, if they ever do.

[Donoghus]

Why the heck do we need to trade back & pick up MORE draft picks? 

That's one thing this team definitely doesn't need.

[crimson_stallion]

I really doubt he would take the gamble. 

I think that outside of the top 2 (which are pretty much set in stone) anything could happen in this draft.  I could very easily see Hield getting selected 3rd or 4th.  If Danny made the move suggested, then there is a very significant risk on him losing out on his man.   7th is long way from 3rd, and a LOT can happen in that time.

More likely he see's who is available at #3, and if anything trades down to #4 or #5.  In that range he has a far higher chance of getting one of those guys. 

I don't think Poieltl will go top 5, but I'm pretty sure Hield will.

 That's kind of my point through if Danny is more comfortable with whoever is left out of Hield/ Poeltl/ Jaylen Brown/ Skal/ Murray than he is taking Bender or Say Hield Third than you go ahead and trade back right..

Yeah but you mentioned trading for #7, and I think that's too far down. Even if you don't like the top dog who's there at #3, I don't think I would trade down any lower than #5, otherwise he'd risk loosing the guys he is highest on.

For example, he might like Poeltyl, but he might LOVE Hield.  Lets say he trades down to #5 and then Hield gets selected at #4.  He's basically just screwed himself.

If the guy you really like is somebody like Brown (who probably wont go top 4) then it's probably worth gambling on a trade down to #5.  But if you like Hield, the risk of him going #3 or #4 is just too high I think.

If you don't like Bender and you like another 3 or so guys all equally, then that's fine because for sure ONE of them will fall to you.

It depends on what you're getting from it too.  If you have the #3 pick, you have the complete freedom to choose anyone available, so you know you are getting your #1 choice.  Any trade down introduces some risk of you missing you guy.  You would want to be well compensated for taking that gamble.

If you have a team that has two lottery picks (say, #5 and #10), and they are willing to trade you both picks in order to move up to #3, then that's likely worth the risk. 

Unfortunately, the only team I can see right now that is in that a situation close to that is Denver, who has #7 and #15.  Is #7 and #15 enough of a return to risk giving up that #3 pick?  Honestly, I don't think so. There is too much rusk that your top draft choice will go somewhere in the 3-6 range, and so you most likely lose your guy by the time your pick comes art #7.

Mid first rounders are generally a high gamble, so I don't think adding one is enough incentive to trade down.  In fact we already have #16 anyway, so why would you choose #7 /#15 /#16 when you could have #3 / #16?  Not worth it when you are a playoff team with limited roster spots.  Quality is more valuable to us than quantity.