Trading back with Denver to#7, select Hield/Poeltl

[spikelovetheCelts]

I really doubt he would take the gamble. 

I think that outside of the top 2 (which are pretty much set in stone) anything could happen in this draft.  I could very easily see Hield getting selected 3rd or 4th.  If Danny made the move suggested, then there is a very significant risk on him losing out on his man.   7th is long way from 3rd, and a LOT can happen in that time.

More likely he see's who is available at #3, and if anything trades down to #4 or #5.  In that range he has a far higher chance of getting one of those guys. 

I don't think Poieltl will go top 5, but I'm pretty sure Hield will.

NBA Draft has us taking Hield now at third.

[trickybilly]

I think if we didn't get top two, I would be fine with trading down so long as we got a decent win-now piece back... I wouldn't be mad.

[mmmmm]

 Who would be mad at this.

 #7 Hield
 #15 Sabonis
 #16 Chriss or Valentine
 #19 Ante Zizic Stash
 #23 Brice Johnson
 #31 Thon Maker Stash

 This draft would help short term with Hield and Sabonis could make an immediate impact. While also having Maker and Zizic and Chriss all with big-time Upside.

'

Ugh.  I like all those players, but you've just made our roster crunch worse by adding an additional 1st round pick with a guaranteed contract.

If Danny were to make a trade, I would hope it is to _consolidate_ draft picks, not to get even _more_!!

I would prefer he do something like maybe try to combine the 16th & 23 (plus any late 2nd rounders as filler)  to move up into the 8-12 range.   

Coming out of the draft with two top-10 players would be a better result than coming out with a huge collection of lower picks.

Here's a thought:  Sacramento has two picks:  #8 and #59.  Assuming they don't 'win' the lottery and swap with Philly, their pick will be disentangled from possible conveyance and available for trade.  They also are looking at possibly losing Rondo and maybe a few other veterans (Butler, Anderson, Acy & Curry all have player options) and only have Gay, Collison, Casspi & Mclemore signed through this next year.  And they are getting a new coach and will be moving into the new Golden 1 Center next season.  So they might want to go for 'quantity' of fresh blood to rebuild with (especially if they trade Boogie, but let's leave that aside).

So they may be willing to trade the #8 & #59 for a package consisting of the #16, #23 & #58.  Just a thought.

[CoachBo]

 Who would be mad at this.

 #7 Hield
 #15 Sabonis
 #16 Chriss or Valentine
 #19 Ante Zizic Stash
 #23 Brice Johnson
 #31 Thon Maker Stash

 This draft would help short term with Hield and Sabonis could make an immediate impact. While also having Maker and Zizic and Chriss all with big-time Upside.

'

Ugh.  I like all those players, but you've just made our roster crunch worse by adding an additional 1st round pick with a guaranteed contract.

If Danny were to make a trade, I would hope it is to _consolidate_ draft picks, not to get even _more_!!

I would prefer he do something like maybe try to combine the 16th & 23 (plus any late 2nd rounders as filler)  to move up into the 8-12 range.   

Coming out of the draft with two top-10 players would be a better result than coming out with a huge collection of lower picks.

Here's a thought:  Sacramento has two picks:  #8 and #59.  Assuming they don't 'win' the lottery and swap with Philly, their pick will be disentangled from possible conveyance and available for trade.  They also are looking at possibly losing Rondo and maybe a few other veterans (Butler, Anderson, Acy & Curry all have player options) and only have Gay, Collison, Casspi & Mclemore signed through this next year.  And they are getting a new coach and will be moving into the new Golden 1 Center next season.  So they might want to go for 'quantity' of fresh blood to rebuild with (especially if they trade Boogie, but let's leave that aside).

So they may be willing to trade the #8 & #59 for a package consisting of the #16, #23 & #58.  Just a thought.

I'd move the three picks for the 8 alone.

[Moranis]

It makes a lot more sense to trade back and pick up a player (like Gallinari) then more picks.

[CoachBo]

I can't imagine Ainge trading for more picks unless he already has another deal in place to trade them for a star. I do like the idea of picking up additional assets if we land outside the top 2, though. I would rather have to take somebody like Dunn at seven than choose to take Bender at three.

But I don't think it will matter anyway. Like the 07 draft, if we don't land inside the top 2, then it makes too much sense not to make a trade for a Bulter, Love, etc and then try to sign a relevant body in free agency. I am also not so sure we don't bring back Amir - without his foot injury, he is playing exactly how I hoped.

pretty much this.  unless Ainge has something set up to move newly-acquired assets, I can't see him making a deal to acquire more draft picks.   I could see him dropping back a few slots if he also gets a future unprotected first rounder from a team that doesn't figure to get out of the lottery.  another pick in next year's deeper draft wouldn't suck

An all-rookie team? Not happening. Ainge is moving picks. He's not making moves for more.

And given his spotty draft record, the LAST thing I want to see him do is make more draft picks.

Spotty draft record?

Taking:
* Tony Allen at #25 in 2004
* Gerald Green at #18 in 2005
* Rajon Rondo at #21 in 2006
* Avery Bradley at # 19 in 2010
* E'twaun Moore at # 55 in 2011
* Jared Sullinger at #21 in 2012
* Kelly Olynyk at #13 in 2013
* Marcus Smart at #6 in 2014

It's pretty hard to argue against Ainge's drafting ability.  That's 8 guys over the past 10 years that Danny Ainge has drafted who have grown to become legitimate NBA players, and that is despite the fact that outside of Olynyk and Smart, every one of those guys was taken well outside of the lottery.

In the past decade Danny has only had one opportunity to select in the top 12, in which he chose Smart.  While Smart hasn't broken out yet, he's a quality young player who has has definite upside, and with the exception of maybe (and that's a MAYBE) Zach Lavine, none of the guys available at that point (Randle, Payton, McDermott, etc) look any better then Smart right now. 

Not sure how anybody could have realistically made better draft selections then Danny Ainge over the past 10 years, once taking into account where his picks were (and who was available).  You might have your odd Rudy Gobert here and there that slipped through (for everybody, not just Ainge) but other then that he's selected [dang] near flawlessly. 

Getting picks like Tony Allen at #25, Rajon Rondo at #21, Avery Bradley at # 19, E'twaun Moore at # 55, Jared Sullinger at #21 - those are absolute home runs as far as draft performances go.  I think we'll be saying the same about Terry Rozier and Jordan Mickey a couple of years from now too.  Maybe even Hunter.

Totally disagree.

To take your list:

Taking:
* Tony Allen at #25 in 2004
* Gerald Green at #18 in 2005
* Rajon Rondo at #21 in 2006
* Avery Bradley at # 19 in 2010
* E'twaun Moore at # 55 in 2011
* Jared Sullinger at #21 in 2012
* Kelly Olynyk at #13 in 2013
* Marcus Smart at #6 in 2014

Tony Allen's a one-trick pony - defense. Although I have to admit I enjoy watching Memphis play, if for no other reason than Turnover Tony's laughable attempts to score the basketball. Cheap laughs.

Green is a bust, one of the most basketball-unintelligent players to ever wear a Celtic uniform. Olynyk is well down the road to busting as a pillow-soft useless defender. Sullinger is the same, as an eater.

Moore a home run? Thanks for the laugh.

There are two decent picks on that list - Bradley and Rondo, and we all know how significant Rondo's limitations are - and that leaves us with Smart, who is going to have to develop an offensive game to warrant his spot in the draft.

And your list conveniently omits Ainge's notable failures - Fab Melo, J.R. Giddens, Johnson - and the players he passed on to make these inept picks. Elsewhere on this board today, someone is pining for DeAndre Jordan, who Ainge passed on.

The facts are clear, despite the attempts of many on this board to conflate Ainge's draft prowess: He is at best an average drafter.

Ainge works best for the Celtics trading. We will never complete this rebuild relying on his draft judgment. In the meantime, I will live in fear that Ainge will squander the lottery pick on a lumbering stiff like the Utah center. What a horrific mistake that would be.

[The One]

I like the idea but I would select Skal with that pick. And Thon later on.

[suitednzooted]

I like the idea but I would select Skal with that pick. And Thon later on.

I would take skal with the #7 if we aquired it. I would only trade back if we got the #4 pick. I disagree that after simmons and ingram theres no stars. Jaylen Brown is the clear #3 besides  maybe Skal or even Thon Maker. They both need time to mature and build strangth but both could potentially be all star bigs in the NBA. If we cant trade up for simmons or ingram, and also.cant get Jaylen Brown with the 3 I would definitely trade down for those picks and draft Hield/Labissiere with the #7 and also pick up AJ Hammons,Deyonta Davis, Thon Maker, and Malik Beasley/Wayne Selden with later picks. Jaylen Brown will not drop below #4 or #5. Id say draft a big for the future/now and wait until next year for the next great group of wingmen like Jayson Tatum, Malik Monk, Josh  Jackson, and Miles Bridges. We have alot of picks next year too.

[showtime]

We need Simmons!  Danny has a lot he can offer the Sixers for the rights to draft him, that is if the Sixers stay number 1.  If the Lakers get lucky enough to get him, look out, it could be like getting Magic all over again!!

[CoachBo]

Danny's not taking another guy who struggles shooting the basketball.

If we landed the 1, one would hope Ainge would take Ingram - who will be a better pro, in my estimation.

One would hope.

[mmmmm]

 Who would be mad at this.

 #7 Hield
 #15 Sabonis
 #16 Chriss or Valentine
 #19 Ante Zizic Stash
 #23 Brice Johnson
 #31 Thon Maker Stash

 This draft would help short term with Hield and Sabonis could make an immediate impact. While also having Maker and Zizic and Chriss all with big-time Upside.

'

Ugh.  I like all those players, but you've just made our roster crunch worse by adding an additional 1st round pick with a guaranteed contract.

If Danny were to make a trade, I would hope it is to _consolidate_ draft picks, not to get even _more_!!

I would prefer he do something like maybe try to combine the 16th & 23 (plus any late 2nd rounders as filler)  to move up into the 8-12 range.   

Coming out of the draft with two top-10 players would be a better result than coming out with a huge collection of lower picks.

Here's a thought:  Sacramento has two picks:  #8 and #59.  Assuming they don't 'win' the lottery and swap with Philly, their pick will be disentangled from possible conveyance and available for trade.  They also are looking at possibly losing Rondo and maybe a few other veterans (Butler, Anderson, Acy & Curry all have player options) and only have Gay, Collison, Casspi & Mclemore signed through this next year.  And they are getting a new coach and will be moving into the new Golden 1 Center next season.  So they might want to go for 'quantity' of fresh blood to rebuild with (especially if they trade Boogie, but let's leave that aside).

So they may be willing to trade the #8 & #59 for a package consisting of the #16, #23 & #58.  Just a thought.

I'd move the three picks for the 8 alone.

So would I, actually, but having a pick at the very tail end of the draft can sometimes be useful.  You can almost always use it for a stash so it doesn't hurt your roster situation and it could be used in a subsequent trade.

But yeah, I wouldn't flinch to do the deal just for the #8.   I'd probably even throw in #53 as well.

[Lucky17]

The 16th and 23rd picks for the 8th seems to me like bad value for SAC.

Ainge would probably need to offer up a rookie-scale contract and/or offer some financial relief, I think.

[Evantime34]

The 16th and 23rd picks for the 8th seems to me like bad value for SAC.

Ainge would probably need to offer up a rookie-scale contract and/or offer some financial relief, I think.

If I'm Sacramento I don't trade the 8th pick for 16, 23 and one of Rozier, Young, or Hunter.

Honestly, I don't really see any teams ahead of us that would want multiple picks to move back beside Chicago. I'm not sure I'm willing to give up a whole lot to move up two spots. Maybe 16 and 35 for 14 works.

[Lucky17]

The 16th and 23rd picks for the 8th seems to me like bad value for SAC.

Ainge would probably need to offer up a rookie-scale contract and/or offer some financial relief, I think.

If I'm Sacramento I don't trade the 8th pick for 16, 23 and one of Rozier, Young, or Hunter.

Honestly, I don't really see any teams ahead of us that would want multiple picks to move back beside Chicago. I'm not sure I'm willing to give up a whole lot to move up two spots. Maybe 16 and 35 for 14 works.

Yeah, I think you're right. Even with Rozier or Hunter, I still think Ainge would have to sweeten it a little more. Not sure if including the #31 would be enough to land the #8.

[CoachBo]

 Who would be mad at this.

 #7 Hield
 #15 Sabonis
 #16 Chriss or Valentine
 #19 Ante Zizic Stash
 #23 Brice Johnson
 #31 Thon Maker Stash

 This draft would help short term with Hield and Sabonis could make an immediate impact. While also having Maker and Zizic and Chriss all with big-time Upside.

'

Ugh.  I like all those players, but you've just made our roster crunch worse by adding an additional 1st round pick with a guaranteed contract.

If Danny were to make a trade, I would hope it is to _consolidate_ draft picks, not to get even _more_!!

I would prefer he do something like maybe try to combine the 16th & 23 (plus any late 2nd rounders as filler)  to move up into the 8-12 range.   

Coming out of the draft with two top-10 players would be a better result than coming out with a huge collection of lower picks.

Here's a thought:  Sacramento has two picks:  #8 and #59.  Assuming they don't 'win' the lottery and swap with Philly, their pick will be disentangled from possible conveyance and available for trade.  They also are looking at possibly losing Rondo and maybe a few other veterans (Butler, Anderson, Acy & Curry all have player options) and only have Gay, Collison, Casspi & Mclemore signed through this next year.  And they are getting a new coach and will be moving into the new Golden 1 Center next season.  So they might want to go for 'quantity' of fresh blood to rebuild with (especially if they trade Boogie, but let's leave that aside).

So they may be willing to trade the #8 & #59 for a package consisting of the #16, #23 & #58.  Just a thought.

I'd move the three picks for the 8 alone.

So would I, actually, but having a pick at the very tail end of the draft can sometimes be useful.  You can almost always use it for a stash so it doesn't hurt your roster situation and it could be used in a subsequent trade.

But yeah, I wouldn't flinch to do the deal just for the #8.   I'd probably even throw in #53 as well.

We don't need more rookies. Give them enough picks to make them bite.