Ibaka disgruntled in his role in OKC

[Tr1boy]

CBS may still have Ibaka waiting for 3 pt opportunities.  Things might not change much once he gets here

If Ibaka plays with KO.  KO will be performing the PNR due to his passing and shooting ability.  Ibaka will help open the floor like Jerebko


If Ibaka plays with Sulilnger.  Ibaka may still not do alot of PNR since Sully is not a dependable 3 pt shooter

How OKC is using Ibaka on the offensive end is ok. Ibaka has no reliable post moves.  He lacks a "move" "stop" and "pop". Or "move" "floater" mid range game. 

He feels neglected but has to accept limitations and that the game is becoming in favor of the "Stats" game

I do agree if he came here,  he won't have to deal with the biggest hot dog in the NBA (RW). Get some more touches. But he can't expect to be the man or even the #2 go to go. He won't be

[Eddie20]

Ibaka won't be any happier here with IT

I totally disagree currently sully averages 16.8 FGA per 40 with the Cs, Ibaka is averaging 14 per with OKC. Ibaka would have a greater role with the Cs.

wow 2 more fga

IT is not an excessive ball hog like rw. still is though

Triboy, it's not about attempts, it's about touches and being involved in plays. OKC runs a lot of iso with Durant and Westbrook, while we run a lot of motion/ball movement stuff. On our offense Amir is heavily involved in high PNR action, while Ibaka is often standing in the corner. This is basketball 101 type stuff.

I'm not going to bother

You shouldn't. I don't think you fully understand some of the basics of basketball to be able to muster up a well thought out response.

Saying that the situation would be the same clearly speaks as to your lack of knowledge on play style and different sets the teams run. However, you constantly share some of your  incorrect thoughts, which show that you don't really know as much as you think you do. What's the highest level of basketball you played? Judging from your comments, it's rec league at best.

[Evantime34]

Ibaka should absolutely be a target when he becomes a free agent in 2017.

He would get the ball a ton more here and Brad would use him more than just a spot up shooter. His shot blocking could really help us. Our ball movement is superior to theirs so even if he didn't shoot a ton more he would be a lot more involved in the offense. The thunder are last in the league in passes per game while the Celtics are 8th.

[Eddie20]

Ibaka should absolutely be a target when he becomes a free agent in 2017.

He would get the ball a ton more here and Brad would use him more than just a spot up shooter. His shot blocking could really help us. Our ball movement is superior to theirs so even if he didn't shoot a ton more he would be a lot more involved in the offense. The thunder are last in the league in passes per game while the Celtics are 8th.

Exactly my point. It's about being involved in the action, as opposed to standing in the corner to simply space the floor.

[Tr1boy]

Ibaka should absolutely be a target when he becomes a free agent in 2017.

He would get the ball a ton more here and Brad would use him more than just a spot up shooter. His shot blocking could really help us. Our ball movement is superior to theirs so even if he didn't shoot a ton more he would be a lot more involved in the offense. The thunder are last in the league in passes per game while the Celtics are 8th.

Read my post above.   He has limited offensive skills. Not a good passer.  Lacks a handle.  Lacks a decent post game .  No stop and pop. No floater.     He can't just dunk everything from the PNR
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[Eddie20]

Ibaka in 32.2 MPG averages 38.1 touches per game


Amir Johnson in 22.8 MPG averages 40.8 touches per game


Triboy, is this not clear indication that he would be used more in Boston? You would agree that Ibaka is a better offensive player than Johnson, right? Do you now see why I have to call you out when you just throw nonsense out as facts?

[Eddie20]

And just to add to that...

Sullinger in 23.9 MPG averages 47.4 touches
Olynyk in 20.2 MPG averages 41.6
Zeller in 12.1 MPG averages 20.7
Jerebko in 14.9 MPG averages 26.0

[Endless Paradise]

*rolls eyes*

People are complaining about Ibaka's lack of involvement in the offense as if they actually paid attention to the Thunder this year. Whoopty-doo, you can cite his touches per games. That's all you need to know about the situation, obviously.

You know why Ibaka's not involved more in the offense? Because he has a pretty mediocre BBIQ, a really limited offensive game (he's a phenomenal shooter, though his numbers have fallen off this year... has no post game... his handles are just above raw, to put it nicely), and almost no passing game to speak of. Donovan actually ran a lot of high PNR conduit stuff with Adams and Ibaka at the start of the year. Adams struggled a bit (but has become better as the year progressed), but Ibaka was struggling MIGHTILY. That was a huge part of his down year; he got off to such a poor start because he was struggling with his new role in the offense. Ibaka excels when the game is made simple for him: catch the ball, shoot it, dribble a bit and pass it off, and defend. He struggles when he's forced to make decisions on the fly. That has been the book on him for years.

"Ibaka's not being used enough and is disgruntled." Funny how you guys conveniently forget that basically everyone on the Thunder was injured last year, giving Ibaka a prime opportunity to step up with a larger role in the offense when KD and Westbrook were both out. What did Ibaka do? He responded by... basically being the exact same Ibaka he is when playing with KD and Westbrook. Ibaka's role is limited because his game is limited, not because he's not allowed to flourish.

[Eddie20]

*rolls eyes*

People are complaining about Ibaka's lack of involvement in the offense as if they actually paid attention to the Thunder this year. Whoopty-doo, you can cite his touches per games.

You know why Ibaka's not involved more in the offense? Because he has a pretty mediocre BBIQ, a really limited offensive game (he's a phenomenal shooter, though his numbers have fallen off this year... has no post game... his handles are just above raw, to put it nicely), and almost no passing game to speak of. Donovan actually ran a lot of high PNR conduit stuff with Adams and Ibaka at the start of the year. Adams struggled a bit (but has become better as the year progressed), but Ibaka was struggling MIGHTILY. That was a huge part of his down year; he got off to such a poor start.

"Ibaka's not being used enough and is disgruntled." Funny how you guys conveniently forget that basically everyone on the Thunder was injured last year, giving Ibaka a prime opportunity to step up with a larger role in the offense when KD and Westbrook were both out. What did Ibaka do? He responded by... basically being the exact same Ibaka he is when playing with KD and Westbrook. Ibaka's role is limited because his game is limited, not because he's not allowed to flourish.

You're making a whole other argument. No one is saying that Ibaka doesn't have a limited offensive game, but compared to Amir he looks like the Iceman. So the question is, would Ibaka have a higher usage rate here? I think the answer is obvious. Moreover, I do trust Stevens to take advantage of his skillset (finishing at the rim, pick and pops) much more than Donovan has. How is this even arguable?

[Tr1boy]

*rolls eyes*

People are complaining about Ibaka's lack of involvement in the offense as if they actually paid attention to the Thunder this year. Whoopty-doo, you can cite his touches per games. That's all you need to know about the situation, obviously.

You know why Ibaka's not involved more in the offense? Because he has a pretty mediocre BBIQ, a really limited offensive game (he's a phenomenal shooter, though his numbers have fallen off this year... has no post game... his handles are just above raw, to put it nicely), and almost no passing game to speak of. Donovan actually ran a lot of high PNR conduit stuff with Adams and Ibaka at the start of the year. Adams struggled a bit (but has become better as the year progressed), but Ibaka was struggling MIGHTILY. That was a huge part of his down year; he got off to such a poor start because he was struggling with his new role in the offense. Ibaka excels when the game is made simple for him: catch the ball, shoot it, dribble a bit and pass it off, and defend. He struggles when he's forced to make decisions on the fly. That has been the book on him for years.

"Ibaka's not being used enough and is disgruntled." Funny how you guys conveniently forget that basically everyone on the Thunder was injured last year, giving Ibaka a prime opportunity to step up with a larger role in the offense when KD and Westbrook were both out. What did Ibaka do? He responded by... basically being the exact same Ibaka he is when playing with KD and Westbrook. Ibaka's role is limited because his game is limited, not because he's not allowed to flourish.

Exactly. 

[Endless Paradise]

*rolls eyes*

People are complaining about Ibaka's lack of involvement in the offense as if they actually paid attention to the Thunder this year. Whoopty-doo, you can cite his touches per games.

You know why Ibaka's not involved more in the offense? Because he has a pretty mediocre BBIQ, a really limited offensive game (he's a phenomenal shooter, though his numbers have fallen off this year... has no post game... his handles are just above raw, to put it nicely), and almost no passing game to speak of. Donovan actually ran a lot of high PNR conduit stuff with Adams and Ibaka at the start of the year. Adams struggled a bit (but has become better as the year progressed), but Ibaka was struggling MIGHTILY. That was a huge part of his down year; he got off to such a poor start.

"Ibaka's not being used enough and is disgruntled." Funny how you guys conveniently forget that basically everyone on the Thunder was injured last year, giving Ibaka a prime opportunity to step up with a larger role in the offense when KD and Westbrook were both out. What did Ibaka do? He responded by... basically being the exact same Ibaka he is when playing with KD and Westbrook. Ibaka's role is limited because his game is limited, not because he's not allowed to flourish.

You're making a whole other argument. No one is saying that Ibaka doesn't have a limited offensive game, but compared to Amir he looks like the Iceman. So the question is, would Ibaka have a higher usage rate here? I think the answer is obvious. Moreover, I do trust Stevens to take advantage of his skillset (finishing at the rim, pick and pops) much more than Donovan has. How is this even arguable?

How is it even arguable? Because what kind of sense does it make to increase someone's usage just for the sake of increasing their usage? If Ibaka could actually do more things with the ball, then it'd make sense for him to have a higher usage rate.

Amir Johnson has a better feel for the game and a higher basketball IQ. Hence, gasp, why he has a higher usage rate.

[Tr1boy]

*rolls eyes*

People are complaining about Ibaka's lack of involvement in the offense as if they actually paid attention to the Thunder this year. Whoopty-doo, you can cite his touches per games.

You know why Ibaka's not involved more in the offense? Because he has a pretty mediocre BBIQ, a really limited offensive game (he's a phenomenal shooter, though his numbers have fallen off this year... has no post game... his handles are just above raw, to put it nicely), and almost no passing game to speak of. Donovan actually ran a lot of high PNR conduit stuff with Adams and Ibaka at the start of the year. Adams struggled a bit (but has become better as the year progressed), but Ibaka was struggling MIGHTILY. That was a huge part of his down year; he got off to such a poor start.

"Ibaka's not being used enough and is disgruntled." Funny how you guys conveniently forget that basically everyone on the Thunder was injured last year, giving Ibaka a prime opportunity to step up with a larger role in the offense when KD and Westbrook were both out. What did Ibaka do? He responded by... basically being the exact same Ibaka he is when playing with KD and Westbrook. Ibaka's role is limited because his game is limited, not because he's not allowed to flourish.

You're making a whole other argument. No one is saying that Ibaka doesn't have a limited offensive game, but compared to Amir he looks like the Iceman. So the question is, would Ibaka have a higher usage rate here? I think the answer is obvious. Moreover, I do trust Stevens to take advantage of his skillset (finishing at the rim, pick and pops) much more than Donovan has. How is this even arguable?

"Ibaka's not being used enough and is disgruntled." Funny how you guys conveniently forget that basically everyone on the Thunder was injured last year, giving Ibaka a prime opportunity to step up with a larger role in the offense when KD and Westbrook were both out. What did Ibaka do? He responded by... basically being the exact same Ibaka he is when playing with KD and Westbrook. Ibaka's role is limited because his game is limited, not because he's not allowed to flourish."

Maybe (though I doubt it) , you will get it , after reading this part again.   

[Eddie20]

*rolls eyes*

People are complaining about Ibaka's lack of involvement in the offense as if they actually paid attention to the Thunder this year. Whoopty-doo, you can cite his touches per games.

You know why Ibaka's not involved more in the offense? Because he has a pretty mediocre BBIQ, a really limited offensive game (he's a phenomenal shooter, though his numbers have fallen off this year... has no post game... his handles are just above raw, to put it nicely), and almost no passing game to speak of. Donovan actually ran a lot of high PNR conduit stuff with Adams and Ibaka at the start of the year. Adams struggled a bit (but has become better as the year progressed), but Ibaka was struggling MIGHTILY. That was a huge part of his down year; he got off to such a poor start.

"Ibaka's not being used enough and is disgruntled." Funny how you guys conveniently forget that basically everyone on the Thunder was injured last year, giving Ibaka a prime opportunity to step up with a larger role in the offense when KD and Westbrook were both out. What did Ibaka do? He responded by... basically being the exact same Ibaka he is when playing with KD and Westbrook. Ibaka's role is limited because his game is limited, not because he's not allowed to flourish.

You're making a whole other argument. No one is saying that Ibaka doesn't have a limited offensive game, but compared to Amir he looks like the Iceman. So the question is, would Ibaka have a higher usage rate here? I think the answer is obvious. Moreover, I do trust Stevens to take advantage of his skillset (finishing at the rim, pick and pops) much more than Donovan has. How is this even arguable?

"Ibaka's not being used enough and is disgruntled." Funny how you guys conveniently forget that basically everyone on the Thunder was injured last year, giving Ibaka a prime opportunity to step up with a larger role in the offense when KD and Westbrook were both out. What did Ibaka do? He responded by... basically being the exact same Ibaka he is when playing with KD and Westbrook. Ibaka's role is limited because his game is limited, not because he's not allowed to flourish."

Maybe (though I doubt it) , you will get it , after reading this part again.

Either English isn't your primary language or your attention to detail is seriously flawed.

[Endless Paradise]

Ibaka's primary strength on offense is his pick-and-pop, which has been largely consistent throughout his NBA career, under both Brooks and Donovan. I don't get how or why you think that needs to be leveraged "more."

As far as Ibaka's shots at the rim...

1) The lanes are more clogged with both Adams (a center with no real range) and Roberson (who's just not respected on the perimeter). You need driving lanes for Westbrook and Durant. Thus Ibaka has to play the role of spot-up shooter.
2) Ibaka has relatively poor hands. If you want to finish at the rim, you need to actually catch the ball. Adams is far more reliable on that front, so he gets priority on those feeds, especially since he's already in the paint.
3) Ibaka isn't exactly known for being super physical, despite his reputation as a shot blocker. He struggles through contact.

[Eddie20]

*rolls eyes*

People are complaining about Ibaka's lack of involvement in the offense as if they actually paid attention to the Thunder this year. Whoopty-doo, you can cite his touches per games.

You know why Ibaka's not involved more in the offense? Because he has a pretty mediocre BBIQ, a really limited offensive game (he's a phenomenal shooter, though his numbers have fallen off this year... has no post game... his handles are just above raw, to put it nicely), and almost no passing game to speak of. Donovan actually ran a lot of high PNR conduit stuff with Adams and Ibaka at the start of the year. Adams struggled a bit (but has become better as the year progressed), but Ibaka was struggling MIGHTILY. That was a huge part of his down year; he got off to such a poor start.

"Ibaka's not being used enough and is disgruntled." Funny how you guys conveniently forget that basically everyone on the Thunder was injured last year, giving Ibaka a prime opportunity to step up with a larger role in the offense when KD and Westbrook were both out. What did Ibaka do? He responded by... basically being the exact same Ibaka he is when playing with KD and Westbrook. Ibaka's role is limited because his game is limited, not because he's not allowed to flourish.

You're making a whole other argument. No one is saying that Ibaka doesn't have a limited offensive game, but compared to Amir he looks like the Iceman. So the question is, would Ibaka have a higher usage rate here? I think the answer is obvious. Moreover, I do trust Stevens to take advantage of his skillset (finishing at the rim, pick and pops) much more than Donovan has. How is this even arguable?

How is it even arguable? Because what kind of sense does it make to increase someone's usage just for the sake of increasing their usage? If Ibaka could actually do more things with the ball, then it'd make sense for him to have a higher usage rate.

Amir Johnson has a better feel for the game and a higher basketball IQ. Hence, gasp, why he has a higher usage rate.

I think you're confusing touches with facilitating offense. No one is saying that offense has to run though Ibaka, but the point is that he's been relegated to a bystander primarily because of the offense OKC runs and the ball dominance that their star players have. Conversely, by the Amir talk you seem to suggest that Johnson's role in OKC would be equal to his current one in Boston, while Ibaka's usage would be the same under Stevens, and that it has to do with the players skills and not with style. Is that correct?