What's the last bad move Danny made?

[JohnBoy65]

Sometimes workouts reveal other things than the draft scouts saw in the past.
That was the case for Rozier, he climb the ladder very fast during workouts.
He might be one of the hardest worker and his athleticism is unbelievable to me.
He clearly has more upside than Portis.
Definitely not a bad move from Danny.
Anyway, you can't say drafting someone is a bad move. Each pick can go either way.

I recall the only bad move Danny made might have been to trade Perkins. It was at the time a good idea, specially in the long term. But it wasn't good chemistry wise.

I can absolutely say drafting a guy is a mistake and Rozier does not have more upside than Portis.

You're right you can, but that doesn't mean you're right. I respect your opinion, but as everyone has said: This is  an easy argument to make. You've watched Portis play regularly half a season, and you've not gotten to see too much of Rozier.

After seeing Rozier play for 280 minutes this season, just under 6 full games, are you willing to concede that Rozier will never be better than Portis?

[Hemingway]

This is going way back, but that Telfair deal (in lieu of drafting Rudy Gay), on the heels of overpaying a useless Raef Lafrentz was a series of bad moves.
Mark Blount was a classic. Trading for Ricky Davis was awesome.

I understand why it could seem like it was a bad deal, but if you look at the trade rules at that time it was nessicary in eventually getting KG and Ray. We had Wally set to expire as a max contract and needed another max for another year to be able to make the kg and Ray deals. I'm a little foggy on all the specifics but the deal was about contracts not about Telfiar so much.

[Evantime34]

I think in retrospect the Lee deal was a bad one. Since the C's were picking up more salary, they should have gotten some kind of pick from GSW in addition to Lee.

[loco_91]

Sometimes workouts reveal other things than the draft scouts saw in the past.
That was the case for Rozier, he climb the ladder very fast during workouts.
He might be one of the hardest worker and his athleticism is unbelievable to me.
He clearly has more upside than Portis.
Definitely not a bad move from Danny.
Anyway, you can't say drafting someone is a bad move. Each pick can go either way.

I recall the only bad move Danny made might have been to trade Perkins. It was at the time a good idea, specially in the long term. But it wasn't good chemistry wise.

I can absolutely say drafting a guy is a mistake and Rozier does not have more upside than Portis.

I think the Rozier pick was a mistake too, but it is not really clear. We didn't get to see his workout, which was apparently outstanding. Moreover, he's played really well recently; earlier this year I was down on him, but now he's shown some promise. The jury is still out on this one. The one draft choice that we can say was definitely a mistake is James Young-- I never bought into his theoretical upside or into the narrative that all his glaring weaknesses could be excused by his youth.

[Silent Storm]

How about drafting Olynyk over the Greek Freak? The Greek Freak had unquestionable boom or bust potential, but I found it curious that the Celtics scouted him in Greece and then decided to go with Olynyk. In retrospect, the choice is clear. I think Danny was trying to play it safe and go with what he thought was the sure shot.

[saltlover]

I think in retrospect the Lee deal was a bad one. Since the C's were picking up more salary, they should have gotten some kind of pick from GSW in addition to Lee.

I mean, yes, retrospectively we should have gotten a 2nd round pick, likely 59 or 60 overall depending on the year it was sent, for the salary difference.  I'm not going to sweat that.

The Lee deal that bothered me was the Courtney Lee deal.  We sent 3 or 4 second-round picks to sign Lee to a four-year deal that created a glut of guards unhappy with their playing time.  Then we turned around a year later and sent off a second to dump Lee to Memphis.  Then this trade deadline Memphis was able to trade Courtney Lee's now valuable contract and get three more second-round picks for it.  That entire sequence just seemed off.

[ThePoeticWolf]

I think Danny is on of the best GM's in all of basketball, and you'd be hard pressed to find someone that argues the opposite. Though I think he's really good it's nearly impossible to have a perfect record as GM. So from a GM stand point what's the last move Danny has made?

Let's stick to trades and contracts. Drafting is subjective and there are too many variables to that.

Is it possible we have to go all the way back to the Perk Jeff green trade? If so that's a pretty good run.

What do you guys think?

Drafting is not that subjective when Ainge did as big of a mistake as drafting Terry Rozier when he did.  Yes, Rozier was a good player but we had other needs and also better players on the board.  Bobby Portis should have been the pick at 16.  I would have even taken Justin Anderson since nobody thought Hunter would be there at 28th.  Rozier honestly wasn't even the best player at Louisville and never jumped off the screen.  If Rozier was there at 33rd nobody would complain about his draft, he was just taken way to high.  Plus when Ainge makes a trade for Thomas and the year before we draft Smart.   

[Eja117]

I'm also not the hugest fan of RJ Hunter over Montrezl Harrell

[BASS_THUMPER]

letting go of brandon bass

[BASS_THUMPER]

and Scalabrine

[slamtheking]

worst move he made was only having Mikki Moore as the back up big man going into the playoffs in 2009 when both KG and Powe went down with injuries.  A semi-competent big off the bench to provide some rest for Perk and BBD would have probably been enough to get Boston past Orlando and into the Finals.  Probably would have lost to the Lakers without KG and Powe but still would have gotten past Orlando.

Could make the same statement about 2010 when he only really had Sheed and BBD off the bench when he should have picked up at least another big man that could provide some rest for KG and Sheed in the finals. 

I'd say having a bench that was too thin in the frontcourt for 2009 and 2010 were his biggest mistakes.

[SHAQATTACK]

Wow 5 pages of screw ups 

[Dino Pitino]

I think Danny is on of the best GM's in all of basketball, and you'd be hard pressed to find someone that argues the opposite. Though I think he's really good it's nearly impossible to have a perfect record as GM. So from a GM stand point what's the last move Danny has made?

Let's stick to trades and contracts. Drafting is subjective and there are too many variables to that.

Is it possible we have to go all the way back to the Perk Jeff green trade? If so that's a pretty good run.

What do you guys think?

Drafting is not that subjective when Ainge did as big of a mistake as drafting Terry Rozier when he did.  Yes, Rozier was a good player but we had other needs and also better players on the board.  Bobby Portis should have been the pick at 16.  I would have even taken Justin Anderson since nobody thought Hunter would be there at 28th.  Rozier honestly wasn't even the best player at Louisville and never jumped off the screen.  If Rozier was there at 33rd nobody would complain about his draft, he was just taken way to high.  Plus when Ainge makes a trade for Thomas and the year before we draft Smart.

1. Why do people just completely ignore the thread premise.

2. If people are going to ignore the thread premise and do the whole draft hindsight routine, could they at least not be silly enough to act like they can already pronounce final judgment on the very last draft? Also, Portis isn't lighting the league on fire. He's only had a handful of impressive games. He's getting three to four times as many minutes as Rozier. He had an earlier "eye-opener" game and then has been mostly
meh. Rozier has just begun to get minutes, and he hasn't sucked. Stop. Wait. Don't be ridiculous.

[JSD]

CB is like real life, nobody reads anything but the thread title or headline. I'm guilty of it too at times.

[mmmmm]

Agree...Jason Terry was lost in space in Boston. I waited to see any sign of his vaunted shooting touch, and it never showed, along with terrible defense.

I think you probably only watched road games.   Terry had extreme home-road splits both that year and the year before (in Dallas).

On the road (39 games) Terry shot a mediocre 31.3% 3PT% for a sub-par scoring efficiency of 50.2% and a lame 8.7 points per game on 26 mpg.

but ...

In The Garden, (40 games) Terry shot 42.7% 3PT% for a fantastic scoring efficiency of 62.5% and a decent 11.5 points per game on 27 mpg.

Pretty much jeckle & hyde.

That 2012-13 team had pretty extreme home-road splits, going 27-13 in the garden but struggling to just 14-27 on the road.   Terry's shooting splits probably helped contribute to that.