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Re: What's the last bad move Danny made?
« Reply #45 on: April 04, 2016, 11:55:46 PM »

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Maybe Danny hasn't made a bad trade. The Perk trade can look bad, if you assume that if we kept him, the chemistry stays high and we win it all that year, bet there is no way of knowing that just like there is no way of knowing that Green would have a heart problem. Tony Allen was very frustrating here. low iq and problems off the court. good for him in finding a real role in this league, but no shame on us. That Telfiar trade years ago go a lot of flack, but it let us roll over an expring max contract that eventually made the KG/Ray summer happen.

My point is there is not one clearly bad move. And most teams can't claim that.

Re: What's the last bad move Danny made?
« Reply #46 on: April 05, 2016, 12:21:26 AM »

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Just his drafts, that's all you can knock him on.

I think now, having Brad help recruit, that problem may be mitigated. Guessing Rozier was one of coaches binkies.   And good for Danny enabling him. 

Re: What's the last bad move Danny made?
« Reply #47 on: April 05, 2016, 01:59:00 AM »

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drafts are such a crap shoot. Anyone can look back and say, we should have picked this guy. The only way you really blow a draft is to waste a top pick or to take a bust when everyone else is saying not to take him.

Re: What's the last bad move Danny made?
« Reply #48 on: April 05, 2016, 02:20:36 AM »

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Last bad move draft was taking Rozier over Portis I think.

Last bad trade was Lee for Wallace. Think Lee being added hurt the young players growth. Especially Zeller they were too similar to give Zeller minutes early on. Zeller has yet to bounce back fully from the slow start.
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Re: What's the last bad move Danny made?
« Reply #49 on: April 05, 2016, 02:30:38 AM »

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Last bad one was taking Rozier over Portis I think.
If Rozier ends up the better player (and the door is far from closed on that) then Id say that was not a bad move.

James Young was a mistake, but its hard to kill a GM over missing guys outside the lotto.

Re: What's the last bad move Danny made?
« Reply #50 on: April 05, 2016, 02:35:25 AM »

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Last bad one was taking Rozier over Portis I think.
If Rozier ends up the better player (and the door is far from closed on that) then Id say that was not a bad move.

James Young was a mistake, but its hard to kill a GM over missing guys outside the lotto.
Young is a swing. Rozier was like a panic move after he failed to trade up for Winslow.

Re: What's the last bad move Danny made?
« Reply #51 on: April 05, 2016, 02:57:52 AM »

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Last bad one was taking Rozier over Portis I think.
If Rozier ends up the better player (and the door is far from closed on that) then Id say that was not a bad move.

James Young was a mistake, but its hard to kill a GM over missing guys outside the lotto.
Young is a swing. Rozier was like a panic move after he failed to trade up for Winslow.

Says who?
Rozier was incredible at workouts.
I'm  not sure if the people saying Portis was an easy pick over Rozier watched much NCAA because Rozier was an absolute stud. The report at the time was that Chicago wanted Rozier with their pick.

Rozier, at least to me, was a great pick.
I'm not sure how people can say drafting Rozier can ever be a mistake because Portis was there.
Portis is great but he's going to be a role player at most. We don't need those. We need stars. Rozier has star scoring potential.

I know the OP said ignore drafts but since so many people are ssshhhitting on Terry I'm going to say his last mistake was drafting James Young.
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.

Re: What's the last bad move Danny made?
« Reply #52 on: April 05, 2016, 03:13:37 AM »

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The Jason Terry signing. Granted, I was excited when we got him because I thought he would really be a big boost to our team for the last hurrah of Pierce/KG/Rondo but it didn't work out. Can't remember if it's due to poor coaching from Doc (I remember a lot of people were saying he misused Terry) or to Terry's health but it simply didn't work out to the point where we were glad to get rid of him.

Re: What's the last bad move Danny made?
« Reply #53 on: April 05, 2016, 03:18:27 AM »

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Sometimes workouts reveal other things than the draft scouts saw in the past.
That was the case for Rozier, he climb the ladder very fast during workouts.
He might be one of the hardest worker and his athleticism is unbelievable to me.
He clearly has more upside than Portis.
Definitely not a bad move from Danny.
Anyway, you can't say drafting someone is a bad move. Each pick can go either way.

I recall the only bad move Danny made might have been to trade Perkins. It was at the time a good idea, specially in the long term. But it wasn't good chemistry wise.

Re: What's the last bad move Danny made?
« Reply #54 on: April 05, 2016, 05:28:42 AM »

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Letting Tony Allen walk.   Also drafting Fab Melo. That as horrible

These two stand out. The Ray Allen situation could also be included but I don't think we know enough about it to comment

Re: What's the last bad move Danny made?
« Reply #55 on: April 05, 2016, 06:33:33 AM »

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I guess Fab Melo?

You could argue James Young as well, but I guess TECHNICALLY his fate is not decided just yet.  But I don't see him ever accounting to much in all honesty.

I don't think you can consider 'letting Tony Allen walk' a bad move.  Allen was a free agent and decided to go elsewhere for more money - the Celtics at the time were buried in contracts and couldn't really afford to match at that price.

At the absolute peak of his career, Tony Allen was a good defensive role player who wasn't COMPLETELY useless on offence.  It's not like he became an All-Star or anything - we really didn't miss out on that much. 

I would take current day Avery Bradley over prime Tony Allen any day - I'm sure others will disagree, but I think Bradley is a better version of Tony Allen.   

Re: What's the last bad move Danny made?
« Reply #56 on: April 05, 2016, 07:20:38 AM »

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I guess Fab Melo?

You could argue James Young as well, but I guess TECHNICALLY his fate is not decided just yet.  But I don't see him ever accounting to much in all honesty.

I don't think you can consider 'letting Tony Allen walk' a bad move.  Allen was a free agent and decided to go elsewhere for more money - the Celtics at the time were buried in contracts and couldn't really afford to match at that price.

At the absolute peak of his career, Tony Allen was a good defensive role player who wasn't COMPLETELY useless on offence.  It's not like he became an All-Star or anything - we really didn't miss out on that much. 

I would take current day Avery Bradley over prime Tony Allen any day - I'm sure others will disagree, but I think Bradley is a better version of Tony Allen.
I can completely understand why they let him walk, it was a calculated risk. But in 2010 we were using Marquis Daniels and Delonte West as our backup guards. Eventually Nate Robinson took on the backup point duties but we still had trouble with a backup for Ray. Pavlovic and Daniels were the backups in the playoffs. I think Tony Allen would've been a decent investment there.

Although it's completely unfair to say it, he could have been the diffference in that series with LA

Re: What's the last bad move Danny made?
« Reply #57 on: April 05, 2016, 07:23:10 AM »

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Re: What's the last bad move Danny made?
« Reply #58 on: April 05, 2016, 07:35:40 AM »

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This is going way back, but that Telfair deal (in lieu of drafting Rudy Gay), on the heels of overpaying a useless Raef Lafrentz was a series of bad moves.
Mark Blount was a classic. Trading for Ricky Davis was awesome.

Re: What's the last bad move Danny made?
« Reply #59 on: April 05, 2016, 07:53:57 AM »

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Sometimes workouts reveal other things than the draft scouts saw in the past.
That was the case for Rozier, he climb the ladder very fast during workouts.
He might be one of the hardest worker and his athleticism is unbelievable to me.
He clearly has more upside than Portis.
Definitely not a bad move from Danny.
Anyway, you can't say drafting someone is a bad move. Each pick can go either way.

I recall the only bad move Danny made might have been to trade Perkins. It was at the time a good idea, specially in the long term. But it wasn't good chemistry wise.
I can absolutely say drafting a guy is a mistake and Rozier does not have more upside than Portis.