Have to Keep Turner

[BornReady]

Turner knows he improved his level because of Brad and his teammates.
Danny believed in him to be part of something big.
Turner would be stupid to accept better money somewhere else.
40mil / 5 years should be fair.
As for Sully, sorry he's not irreplaceable (Turner and KO are somehow unique and difficult to replace). Plus his conditioning will be a concern with years passing. I won't pay 12 to 15mil for Sully. I would prefer he's in shape and pay him 18mil.

I agree he has exp of it not working out in different teams like Pacers and 76ers
So I think if ainge gave him an offer even if slightly under what he want
He would probably take it

Most guys that have played under Stevens want to stay here

Last season I was hating on turner because he takes possessions and playing time from our younger players
But this season he should be a candidate for 6th man of year
He does a bit of everything
And his versatility is valuable off the bench

I also think from stability view of our team
It is good to keep the team together with minimal players lost in trades and free agency
Like how the Spurs have done it
If we keep vets on board while drafting young talent
We can maintain in contention for a long time

[Celtics4ever]

As for Sully, sorry he's not irreplaceable (Turner and KO are somehow unique and difficult to replace). Plus his conditioning will be a concern with years passing. I won't pay 12 to 15mil for Sully. I would prefer he's in shape and pay him 18mil.

Agree, there is even less likely a chance he stays in shape given it won't be a contract year this year.   I would say his conditioning improved this year but I would be hard pressed to say he was in shape.   

I like ET but with all guys the price should be right.

[Ed Hollison]

Qualitatively speaking I agree with the OP: Turner and Sullinger are very effective in this system, and the Celtics absolutely should put a good faith effort in retaining them.

Here the things to keep in mind, however, as you go forward:

In free agency, you've got to explore the possibility of signing two max or near-max FAs. You've got the space, assuming you renounce the non-guaranteed second years for Jerebko and Johnson. If you're able to pull this off, you still might be able to sign Turner and Sullinger and go over the cap, given that you have their Bird rights.

The question is: Will Turner and Sullinger still be around that deep in to free agency? I don't really know the calendar, and Turner is an unrestricted FA while Sullinger is restricted, so that makes a difference. The reason this matters is that if you strike out in free agency, I'd rather bring back Turner and Sullinger than some other unknown FAs from other teams at similar dollars. I'm just not sure they'll still be available.

[spikelovetheCelts]

Fools Gold

He has an unique skill set. He is a keeper. A great find by Danny. We will have to outbid the Knicks for his services.

[spikelovetheCelts]

Qualitatively speaking I agree with the OP: Turner and Sullinger are very effective in this system, and the Celtics absolutely should put a good faith effort in retaining them.

Here the things to keep in mind, however, as you go forward:

In free agency, you've got to explore the possibility of signing two max or near-max FAs. You've got the space, assuming you renounce the non-guaranteed second years for Jerebko and Johnson. If you're able to pull this off, you still might be able to sign Turner and Sullinger and go over the cap, given that you have their Bird rights.

The question is: Will Turner and Sullinger still be around that deep in to free agency? I don't really know the calendar, and Turner is an unrestricted FA while Sullinger is restricted, so that makes a difference. The reason this matters is that if you strike out in free agency, I'd rather bring back Turner and Sullinger than some other unknown FAs from other teams at similar dollars. I'm just not sure they'll still be available.

The Knicks are going to bounce but will they on Day one is the question. I think Turner will give the Celts a chance to match. I would wait to see what the market bears for Sully since we can match. This year it is only a week so we will know quickly.

[Jon]

I think it all depends on how things play out this summer.  I like Turner and think he deserves a nice contract from someone.  However, he's definitely not worth tying up money in at the expense of losing out at potential max guys.  And if we sign and/or draft another wing, you really have to question what his role would actually be here.  There's already talk of how he's hurting Smart's growth, but where would his role be if we signed someone like Durant or drafted a wing like Ingram?  And that's not even getting into whether we should give guys like Rozier or Hunter a shot at minutes next year. 

So, again, I like him.  But I don't know if he really has a long term future on this team and I'm hesitant to give him much more than an Amir Johnson style contract. 

[PhoSita]

I look at the effectiveness of Turner, Sullinger and Amir Johnson on this team as proof of how good a job Brad Stevens has done of setting his players up to succeed.  It tells me that if we filled those rotation spots with truly superlative players, the Celts could take another major step toward contention.


By no means are Turner, Sullinger, or Amir irreplaceable.  They're solid, hard working, flawed players who can't be relied upon to perform next season, or the season after that, as well as they have this season.


All of that is a good thing, because the Celts have so many draft assets and other moving parts that they're going to have to be willing to move on from and upgrade some of these rotation spots, even if the players leaving are guys we've all come to appreciate, warts and all.

[footey]

Fools Gold

Then call me a fool. Because I agree with the original OP. TP to OP.

I think Danny will pay Evan to stay. I think other teams will discount his value more than Danny. As long as the numbers aren't crazy, I would too.

[Jon]

I look at the effectiveness of Turner, Sullinger and Amir Johnson on this team as proof of how good a job Brad Stevens has done of setting his players up to succeed.  It tells me that if we filled those rotation spots with truly superlative players, the Celts could take another major step toward contention.


By no means are Turner, Sullinger, or Amir irreplaceable.  They're solid, hard working, flawed players who can't be relied upon to perform next season, or the season after that, as well as they have this season.


All of that is a good thing, because the Celts have so many draft assets and other moving parts that they're going to have to be willing to move on from and upgrade some of these rotation spots, even if the players leaving are guys we've all come to appreciate, warts and all.

Absolutely.  And we also have to gauge the value of someone like Turner at 10 million a year vs. the value of playing someone like Rozier or Hunter or a draft pick from this year at a fraction of that cost. 

[jmen788]

In no universe is Turner worth 10 million a year, even if he's had a few good games lately. I'd give him 6 mil tops, but for the big picture it's not worth loading the roster with multiple people on 6, 7, 8 mil deals, especially not a 7th man like Turner

[mctyson]

In no universe is Turner worth 10 million a year, even if he's had a few good games lately. I'd give him 6 mil tops, but for the big picture it's not worth loading the roster with multiple people on 6, 7, 8 mil deals, especially not a 7th man like Turner

Dude is a 6'8" combo guard, 26 years old, possible 6 man of the year, in a world where DeMare Carroll is a max player....you don't think he can get $10 mil?  Check yo self.

[lefty12]

In no universe is Turner worth 10 million a year, even if he's had a few good games lately. I'd give him 6 mil tops, but for the big picture it's not worth loading the roster with multiple people on 6, 7, 8 mil deals, especially not a 7th man like Turner

Someone doesn't watch enough nba

[jmen788]

In no universe is Turner worth 10 million a year, even if he's had a few good games lately. I'd give him 6 mil tops, but for the big picture it's not worth loading the roster with multiple people on 6, 7, 8 mil deals, especially not a 7th man like Turner

Dude is a 6'8" combo guard, 26 years old, possible 6 man of the year, in a world where DeMare Carroll is a max player....you don't think he can get $10 mil?  Check yo self.

6th man of the year? yeah right lol. His advanced stats are not good and his numbers are near his career numbers. Our team is better as a whole and he's had a few good games and people are overreacting - signing him to a Mark Blount 2.0 contract is not smart.

[jmen788]

In no universe is Turner worth 10 million a year, even if he's had a few good games lately. I'd give him 6 mil tops, but for the big picture it's not worth loading the roster with multiple people on 6, 7, 8 mil deals, especially not a 7th man like Turner

Someone doesn't watch enough nba

I watch plenty of NBA, but thanks for your insightful comment.

[lefty12]

Anyone with an understanding of the league

Has a clue that turner has earned a 4-5yr deal in the $40-60M range


You are suggesting half that