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Re: DeAngelo Russell secretly films Nick Young - creates huge rift
« Reply #180 on: April 02, 2016, 12:06:31 AM »

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The reason that using "common sense" is an absurd assumption when it comes to conclusions about DeAngelo Russell is because in today's minute to minute, snippet-based media, we draw "common sense" conclusions based on incomplete and possibly inaccurate evidence.  It happens all the time.  DeAngelo Russell is an "idiot", "immature", a "punk", a "fool", an "****", etc. according to people on this blog --  as if a singular incident defines a human being's character, value system, and intelligence.  Thank goodness I'm not judged for singular acts of stupidity I engaged in during my lifetime (especially when I was 20 or younger). 

It sounds like Russell did something that at worst was calculated and evil, and at best was an error in judgment.  I resist drawing conclusions about him (or his actions) because I realize that I have NO IDEA who he is.  But if I had to use my common sense about who he is, I'd probably conclude that, like most people, he is complex -- and the whole of who he is can't be boiled down to a few incidents that I heard about reported by strangers.

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(Though this wreaks of too much common sense.)
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Re: DeAngelo Russell secretly films Nick Young - creates huge rift
« Reply #181 on: April 02, 2016, 12:14:23 AM »

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The reason that using "common sense" is an absurd assumption when it comes to conclusions about DeAngelo Russell is because in today's minute to minute, snippet-based media, we draw "common sense" conclusions based on incomplete and possibly inaccurate evidence.  It happens all the time.  DeAngelo Russell is an "idiot", "immature", a "punk", a "fool", an "****", etc. according to people on this blog --  as if a singular incident defines a human being's character, value system, and intelligence.  Thank goodness I'm not judged for singular acts of stupidity I engaged in during my lifetime (especially when I was 20 or younger). 

It sounds like Russell did something that at worst was calculated and evil, and at best was an error in judgment.  I resist drawing conclusions about him (or his actions) because I realize that I have NO IDEA who he is.  But if I had to use my common sense about who he is, I'd probably conclude that, like most people, he is complex -- and the whole of who he is can't be boiled down to a few incidents that I heard about reported by strangers.

TP

(Though this wreaks of too much common sense.)

Except that there are numerous reports about Russell's ego. And the fact that the team isn't talking to him so there must be something off. But that makes too much sense...I seriously want to roll my eyes.

Second, I recall you constantly saying Rondo wasn't bad for the locker room and always protected him. So I'm going to take your opinion with a grain of salt.

Re: DeAngelo Russell secretly films Nick Young - creates huge rift
« Reply #182 on: April 02, 2016, 12:22:30 AM »

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Now that I've heard details, it seems like a simple mistake. The guys have a history of pranking each other and this one went south.

Re: DeAngelo Russell secretly films Nick Young - creates huge rift
« Reply #183 on: April 02, 2016, 06:19:41 AM »

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The reason that using "common sense" is an absurd assumption when it comes to conclusions about DeAngelo Russell is because in today's minute to minute, snippet-based media, we draw "common sense" conclusions based on incomplete and possibly inaccurate evidence.  It happens all the time.  DeAngelo Russell is an "idiot", "immature", a "punk", a "fool", an "****", etc. according to people on this blog --  as if a singular incident defines a human being's character, value system, and intelligence.  Thank goodness I'm not judged for singular acts of stupidity I engaged in during my lifetime (especially when I was 20 or younger). 

It sounds like Russell did something that at worst was calculated and evil, and at best was an error in judgment.  I resist drawing conclusions about him (or his actions) because I realize that I have NO IDEA who he is.  But if I had to use my common sense about who he is, I'd probably conclude that, like most people, he is complex -- and the whole of who he is can't be boiled down to a few incidents that I heard about reported by strangers.

TP

(Though this wreaks of too much common sense.)

Except that there are numerous reports about Russell's ego. And the fact that the team isn't talking to him so there must be something off. But that makes too much sense...I seriously want to roll my eyes.

Second, I recall you constantly saying Rondo wasn't bad for the locker room and always protected him. So I'm going to take your opinion with a grain of salt.

I assume you arent talking about me as i dont think i ever commented on rondo in that way, but the other part of your comment makes my point.  This isnt a jab at you, more of a general observation about today's knee-jerk character speculations.  It's almost like when you see a highlight reel and conclude the kid's a star.  Numerous comments reported in press reports or in social media that a guy is immature or disliked or engages in foolish antics are certainly enough for today's twitter mentality to result in opinions about how stupid or punkish a person is, but I honestly believe that this is an adolescent way to draw conclusions.  The adolescent mentality is quick to judge, harsh, void of nuance, and often unnecessarily aggressive.  This doesn't mean that this mindset always draws incorrect conclusions,  I'm just suggesting that it's a mindset that takes a small set of information and makes broad and definitive conclusions .  It happens all the time on social media, cable news and talk radio.  Adults do it all the time, so when I speak of adolescent mentality Im not trying to insult teenagers -- some of whom don't engage in this.  The point is that when we use only part of our brain to react spontaneously  to information tidbits and think we know more than we do as a result -- it's kind of a hallmark of adolescent style of thinking.   Usually pretty harmless in the big picture, but does represent a danger inherent in today's ubiquitous media.

Re: DeAngelo Russell secretly films Nick Young - creates huge rift
« Reply #184 on: April 02, 2016, 09:33:01 AM »

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The reason that using "common sense" is an absurd assumption when it comes to conclusions about DeAngelo Russell is because in today's minute to minute, snippet-based media, we draw "common sense" conclusions based on incomplete and possibly inaccurate evidence.  It happens all the time.  DeAngelo Russell is an "idiot", "immature", a "punk", a "fool", an "****", etc. according to people on this blog --  as if a singular incident defines a human being's character, value system, and intelligence.  Thank goodness I'm not judged for singular acts of stupidity I engaged in during my lifetime (especially when I was 20 or younger). 

It sounds like Russell did something that at worst was calculated and evil, and at best was an error in judgment.  I resist drawing conclusions about him (or his actions) because I realize that I have NO IDEA who he is.  But if I had to use my common sense about who he is, I'd probably conclude that, like most people, he is complex -- and the whole of who he is can't be boiled down to a few incidents that I heard about reported by strangers.

TP

(Though this wreaks of too much common sense.)

Except that there are numerous reports about Russell's ego. And the fact that the team isn't talking to him so there must be something off. But that makes too much sense...I seriously want to roll my eyes.

Second, I recall you constantly saying Rondo wasn't bad for the locker room and always protected him. So I'm going to take your opinion with a grain of salt.

I assume you arent talking about me as i dont think i ever commented on rondo in that way, but the other part of your comment makes my point.  This isnt a jab at you, more of a general observation about today's knee-jerk character speculations.  It's almost like when you see a highlight reel and conclude the kid's a star.  Numerous comments reported in press reports or in social media that a guy is immature or disliked or engages in foolish antics are certainly enough for today's twitter mentality to result in opinions about how stupid or punkish a person is, but I honestly believe that this is an adolescent way to draw conclusions.  The adolescent mentality is quick to judge, harsh, void of nuance, and often unnecessarily aggressive.  This doesn't mean that this mindset always draws incorrect conclusions,  I'm just suggesting that it's a mindset that takes a small set of information and makes broad and definitive conclusions .  It happens all the time on social media, cable news and talk radio.  Adults do it all the time, so when I speak of adolescent mentality Im not trying to insult teenagers -- some of whom don't engage in this.  The point is that when we use only part of our brain to react spontaneously  to information tidbits and think we know more than we do as a result -- it's kind of a hallmark of adolescent style of thinking.   Usually pretty harmless in the big picture, but does represent a danger inherent in today's ubiquitous media.

Is the incident itself + his teammates' reactions + his coach saying that he often acts like a 14 year old enough evidence to draw the conclusion that he's immature?



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Re: DeAngelo Russell secretly films Nick Young - creates huge rift
« Reply #185 on: April 02, 2016, 02:46:04 PM »

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The reason that using "common sense" is an absurd assumption when it comes to conclusions about DeAngelo Russell is because in today's minute to minute, snippet-based media, we draw "common sense" conclusions based on incomplete and possibly inaccurate evidence.  It happens all the time.  DeAngelo Russell is an "idiot", "immature", a "punk", a "fool", an "****", etc. according to people on this blog --  as if a singular incident defines a human being's character, value system, and intelligence.  Thank goodness I'm not judged for singular acts of stupidity I engaged in during my lifetime (especially when I was 20 or younger). 

It sounds like Russell did something that at worst was calculated and evil, and at best was an error in judgment.  I resist drawing conclusions about him (or his actions) because I realize that I have NO IDEA who he is.  But if I had to use my common sense about who he is, I'd probably conclude that, like most people, he is complex -- and the whole of who he is can't be boiled down to a few incidents that I heard about reported by strangers.

TP

(Though this wreaks of too much common sense.)

Except that there are numerous reports about Russell's ego. And the fact that the team isn't talking to him so there must be something off. But that makes too much sense...I seriously want to roll my eyes.

Second, I recall you constantly saying Rondo wasn't bad for the locker room and always protected him. So I'm going to take your opinion with a grain of salt.

I assume you arent talking about me as i dont think i ever commented on rondo in that way, but the other part of your comment makes my point.  This isnt a jab at you, more of a general observation about today's knee-jerk character speculations.  It's almost like when you see a highlight reel and conclude the kid's a star.  Numerous comments reported in press reports or in social media that a guy is immature or disliked or engages in foolish antics are certainly enough for today's twitter mentality to result in opinions about how stupid or punkish a person is, but I honestly believe that this is an adolescent way to draw conclusions.  The adolescent mentality is quick to judge, harsh, void of nuance, and often unnecessarily aggressive.  This doesn't mean that this mindset always draws incorrect conclusions,  I'm just suggesting that it's a mindset that takes a small set of information and makes broad and definitive conclusions .  It happens all the time on social media, cable news and talk radio.  Adults do it all the time, so when I speak of adolescent mentality Im not trying to insult teenagers -- some of whom don't engage in this.  The point is that when we use only part of our brain to react spontaneously  to information tidbits and think we know more than we do as a result -- it's kind of a hallmark of adolescent style of thinking.   Usually pretty harmless in the big picture, but does represent a danger inherent in today's ubiquitous media.

My comment was not directed towards you. I understand your views. I've always been annoyed with the other poster's views. If you read through the thread, I honestly don't have a problem with Russell and think he is just a kid. I would trade for him in a second if he became available.

Re: DeAngelo Russell secretly films Nick Young - creates huge rift
« Reply #186 on: April 02, 2016, 03:00:19 PM »

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As we debate Russell's maturity level, which I will freely stipulate to being sub-par, I would just like to remind everyone that it's not like Nick Young is known for his maturity level either.  This is the guy who a week earlier was in the news for being accused of sexual harassment along with another teammate.  Nick Young is 30 years old and is theoretically engaged to another celebrity, and yet has no qualms openly discussing his cheating or cat-calling women on the street.  Again, Russell screwed up, but Nick Young is no innocent victim.

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« Reply #187 on: April 02, 2016, 03:05:55 PM »

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The reason that using "common sense" is an absurd assumption when it comes to conclusions about DeAngelo Russell is because in today's minute to minute, snippet-based media, we draw "common sense" conclusions based on incomplete and possibly inaccurate evidence.  It happens all the time.  DeAngelo Russell is an "idiot", "immature", a "punk", a "fool", an "****", etc. according to people on this blog --  as if a singular incident defines a human being's character, value system, and intelligence.  Thank goodness I'm not judged for singular acts of stupidity I engaged in during my lifetime (especially when I was 20 or younger). 

It sounds like Russell did something that at worst was calculated and evil, and at best was an error in judgment.  I resist drawing conclusions about him (or his actions) because I realize that I have NO IDEA who he is.  But if I had to use my common sense about who he is, I'd probably conclude that, like most people, he is complex -- and the whole of who he is can't be boiled down to a few incidents that I heard about reported by strangers.

TP

(Though this wreaks of too much common sense.)



Second, I recall you constantly saying Rondo wasn't bad for the locker room and always protected him. So I'm going to take your opinion with a grain of salt.

What does that have to do with the topic?

Re: DeAngelo Russell secretly films Nick Young - creates huge rift
« Reply #188 on: April 02, 2016, 04:42:42 PM »

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The last phrase is well over the top, but the rest of the article makes some good points.

http://www.thenation.com/article/the-lakers-can-kindly-shove-their-bro-code/
Not to mention the kid supposedly didn't even leak out the video.  He was involved in a prank war with Nick young (fyi, Young has been involved in prank wars with players going all the way back to the Gilbert Arenas era).  Young had posted video of Russell flirting with playboy models to embarrass him.  Russell apparently took this video and snapchatted it (probably to people in their circle familiar with this prank war).   According to the site that posted the video, they received it from Nicky Minaj's people - payback for Iggy Azalea recently suggesting Nicky Minaj doesn't write her own lyrics.   This whole thing is stupid and juvenile on so many levels.   But now fans are booing D'Angelo Russell over a freakin bro code?    It's insane.

LOL do you really believe he was "hacked"?

That is the go to line for just about every social media flub.

Russel wasn't hacked, he is just an idiot, and is trying to find an excuse instead of taking blame.
As I explained on the previous page, his instagram account was indeed hacked on March 22nd:  https://www.reddit.com/r/lakers/comments/4bfig2/dangelo_russels_instagram_has_been_hacked_with/  ... all the content was replaced with pics of a guy advertising his mix tape. 

If that account was compromised, it likely means his other passwords were out there. 

These guys get targeted, often because of their high profile relationships.

Unfortunately I think you are the only one buying that story. He is now giving Young space because he can't force their friendships and says he wouldn't physically back down if Young came after him.

http://espn.go.com/losangeles/nba/story/_/id/15113855/dangelo-russell-los-angeles-lakers-says-situation-linger-nick-young-closure

If only you were in the locker room larbrd, you could fix this all!
"Russell, though, said he wouldn't back down if teammates physically confronted him.

"I would get physical back," he said. "It's a point where you try to solve it the right way with words, but if we're at the point where there's a sign of disrespect or violence is involved, sometimes you have to let people feel you and let people know, if you disrespect this guy, you know you have to bring it."

Well then I agree with D'Angelo.  He's basically that franchise now.  If they continue to disrespect him, they can start looking for a new team, because that crap isn't going to fly on D'Angelo's watch.

Lol holy crap

Re: DeAngelo Russell secretly films Nick Young - creates huge rift
« Reply #189 on: April 02, 2016, 06:09:27 PM »

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The reason that using "common sense" is an absurd assumption when it comes to conclusions about DeAngelo Russell is because in today's minute to minute, snippet-based media, we draw "common sense" conclusions based on incomplete and possibly inaccurate evidence.  It happens all the time.  DeAngelo Russell is an "idiot", "immature", a "punk", a "fool", an "****", etc. according to people on this blog --  as if a singular incident defines a human being's character, value system, and intelligence.  Thank goodness I'm not judged for singular acts of stupidity I engaged in during my lifetime (especially when I was 20 or younger). 

It sounds like Russell did something that at worst was calculated and evil, and at best was an error in judgment.  I resist drawing conclusions about him (or his actions) because I realize that I have NO IDEA who he is.  But if I had to use my common sense about who he is, I'd probably conclude that, like most people, he is complex -- and the whole of who he is can't be boiled down to a few incidents that I heard about reported by strangers.

TP

(Though this wreaks of too much common sense.)

Except that there are numerous reports about Russell's ego. And the fact that the team isn't talking to him so there must be something off. But that makes too much sense...I seriously want to roll my eyes.

Second, I recall you constantly saying Rondo wasn't bad for the locker room and always protected him. So I'm going to take your opinion with a grain of salt.

I assume you arent talking about me as i dont think i ever commented on rondo in that way, but the other part of your comment makes my point.  This isnt a jab at you, more of a general observation about today's knee-jerk character speculations.  It's almost like when you see a highlight reel and conclude the kid's a star.  Numerous comments reported in press reports or in social media that a guy is immature or disliked or engages in foolish antics are certainly enough for today's twitter mentality to result in opinions about how stupid or punkish a person is, but I honestly believe that this is an adolescent way to draw conclusions.  The adolescent mentality is quick to judge, harsh, void of nuance, and often unnecessarily aggressive.  This doesn't mean that this mindset always draws incorrect conclusions,  I'm just suggesting that it's a mindset that takes a small set of information and makes broad and definitive conclusions .  It happens all the time on social media, cable news and talk radio.  Adults do it all the time, so when I speak of adolescent mentality Im not trying to insult teenagers -- some of whom don't engage in this.  The point is that when we use only part of our brain to react spontaneously  to information tidbits and think we know more than we do as a result -- it's kind of a hallmark of adolescent style of thinking.   Usually pretty harmless in the big picture, but does represent a danger inherent in today's ubiquitous media.

Is the incident itself + his teammates' reactions + his coach saying that he often acts like a 14 year old enough evidence to draw the conclusion that he's immature?
Well... it's a logical conclusion if that's all the information you have and if you think it's enough to know the maturity level of someone youve never observed in a social situation or had a conversation with or discussed with someone who actually knows him.  Is he probably immature? Probably. But why even go there? What does it do for any of us to post on the internet anything offensive about someone we don't know?  The incident was evidence of anything from very mean to bad judgement, but where it rests on that continuum we don't know either.

Re: DeAngelo Russell secretly films Nick Young - creates huge rift
« Reply #190 on: April 02, 2016, 07:02:32 PM »

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The reason that using "common sense" is an absurd assumption when it comes to conclusions about DeAngelo Russell is because in today's minute to minute, snippet-based media, we draw "common sense" conclusions based on incomplete and possibly inaccurate evidence.  It happens all the time.  DeAngelo Russell is an "idiot", "immature", a "punk", a "fool", an "****", etc. according to people on this blog --  as if a singular incident defines a human being's character, value system, and intelligence.  Thank goodness I'm not judged for singular acts of stupidity I engaged in during my lifetime (especially when I was 20 or younger). 

It sounds like Russell did something that at worst was calculated and evil, and at best was an error in judgment.  I resist drawing conclusions about him (or his actions) because I realize that I have NO IDEA who he is.  But if I had to use my common sense about who he is, I'd probably conclude that, like most people, he is complex -- and the whole of who he is can't be boiled down to a few incidents that I heard about reported by strangers.

TP

(Though this wreaks of too much common sense.)

Except that there are numerous reports about Russell's ego. And the fact that the team isn't talking to him so there must be something off. But that makes too much sense...I seriously want to roll my eyes.

Second, I recall you constantly saying Rondo wasn't bad for the locker room and always protected him. So I'm going to take your opinion with a grain of salt.

I assume you arent talking about me as i dont think i ever commented on rondo in that way, but the other part of your comment makes my point.  This isnt a jab at you, more of a general observation about today's knee-jerk character speculations.  It's almost like when you see a highlight reel and conclude the kid's a star.  Numerous comments reported in press reports or in social media that a guy is immature or disliked or engages in foolish antics are certainly enough for today's twitter mentality to result in opinions about how stupid or punkish a person is, but I honestly believe that this is an adolescent way to draw conclusions.  The adolescent mentality is quick to judge, harsh, void of nuance, and often unnecessarily aggressive.  This doesn't mean that this mindset always draws incorrect conclusions,  I'm just suggesting that it's a mindset that takes a small set of information and makes broad and definitive conclusions .  It happens all the time on social media, cable news and talk radio.  Adults do it all the time, so when I speak of adolescent mentality Im not trying to insult teenagers -- some of whom don't engage in this.  The point is that when we use only part of our brain to react spontaneously  to information tidbits and think we know more than we do as a result -- it's kind of a hallmark of adolescent style of thinking.   Usually pretty harmless in the big picture, but does represent a danger inherent in today's ubiquitous media.

Is the incident itself + his teammates' reactions + his coach saying that he often acts like a 14 year old enough evidence to draw the conclusion that he's immature?
Well... it's a logical conclusion if that's all the information you have and if you think it's enough to know the maturity level of someone youve never observed in a social situation or had a conversation with or discussed with someone who actually knows him.  Is he probably immature? Probably. But why even go there? What does it do for any of us to post on the internet anything offensive about someone we don't know?  The incident was evidence of anything from very mean to bad judgement, but where it rests on that continuum we don't know either.

Well, he's a player in the NBA, and his maturity level affects his value.   I think that it's natural to discuss that stuff.  "Character" is something that makes up the constellation of who a player is.


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Re: DeAngelo Russell secretly films Nick Young - creates huge rift
« Reply #191 on: April 02, 2016, 08:38:05 PM »

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http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/241415/Lakers-Likely-Will-Try-To-Trade-Nick-Young-In-Offseason

Not surprisingly, the Lakers will be looking to trade Nick Young.  Good luck with that.  His career will probably be over in a couple years.  Holding a grudge against the future of the franchise isn't going to work out well for him... especially when a large chunk of the blame is on Nick Young for this situation.   

Lakers should just cut him.  He's borderline worthless and he's clearly a horrible mentor for the young players to have.
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I think it bears repeating again.  Immediately after Young talked about the 19 year old at the club, Russell is heard on the video telling Young he just taped him.  If it was a big deal to Young he would have Russell immediately delete the video, but you see it wasn't a big deal to Young because he and Russell had been pranking each other all season and Young had recently posted a video of Russell hitting on some ladies.  You know basically the exact same thing except Young actually posted it to social media himself. 

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Re: DeAngelo Russell secretly films Nick Young - creates huge rift
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The reason that using "common sense" is an absurd assumption when it comes to conclusions about DeAngelo Russell is because in today's minute to minute, snippet-based media, we draw "common sense" conclusions based on incomplete and possibly inaccurate evidence.  It happens all the time.  DeAngelo Russell is an "idiot", "immature", a "punk", a "fool", an "****", etc. according to people on this blog --  as if a singular incident defines a human being's character, value system, and intelligence.  Thank goodness I'm not judged for singular acts of stupidity I engaged in during my lifetime (especially when I was 20 or younger). 

It sounds like Russell did something that at worst was calculated and evil, and at best was an error in judgment.  I resist drawing conclusions about him (or his actions) because I realize that I have NO IDEA who he is.  But if I had to use my common sense about who he is, I'd probably conclude that, like most people, he is complex -- and the whole of who he is can't be boiled down to a few incidents that I heard about reported by strangers.

TP

(Though this wreaks of too much common sense.)

Except that there are numerous reports about Russell's ego. And the fact that the team isn't talking to him so there must be something off. But that makes too much sense...I seriously want to roll my eyes.

Second, I recall you constantly saying Rondo wasn't bad for the locker room and always protected him. So I'm going to take your opinion with a grain of salt.

I assume you arent talking about me as i dont think i ever commented on rondo in that way, but the other part of your comment makes my point.  This isnt a jab at you, more of a general observation about today's knee-jerk character speculations.  It's almost like when you see a highlight reel and conclude the kid's a star.  Numerous comments reported in press reports or in social media that a guy is immature or disliked or engages in foolish antics are certainly enough for today's twitter mentality to result in opinions about how stupid or punkish a person is, but I honestly believe that this is an adolescent way to draw conclusions.  The adolescent mentality is quick to judge, harsh, void of nuance, and often unnecessarily aggressive.  This doesn't mean that this mindset always draws incorrect conclusions,  I'm just suggesting that it's a mindset that takes a small set of information and makes broad and definitive conclusions .  It happens all the time on social media, cable news and talk radio.  Adults do it all the time, so when I speak of adolescent mentality Im not trying to insult teenagers -- some of whom don't engage in this.  The point is that when we use only part of our brain to react spontaneously  to information tidbits and think we know more than we do as a result -- it's kind of a hallmark of adolescent style of thinking.   Usually pretty harmless in the big picture, but does represent a danger inherent in today's ubiquitous media.

Is the incident itself + his teammates' reactions + his coach saying that he often acts like a 14 year old enough evidence to draw the conclusion that he's immature?
Well... it's a logical conclusion if that's all the information you have and if you think it's enough to know the maturity level of someone youve never observed in a social situation or had a conversation with or discussed with someone who actually knows him.  Is he probably immature? Probably. But why even go there? What does it do for any of us to post on the internet anything offensive about someone we don't know?  The incident was evidence of anything from very mean to bad judgement, but where it rests on that continuum we don't know either.

Well, he's a player in the NBA, and his maturity level affects his value.   I think that it's natural to discuss that stuff.  "Character" is something that makes up the constellation of who a player is.

I'm pretty sure "one time accidental tattle tale" isn't high on the list of potential character flaws that give teams pause around the league.  To me, this situation just sounds like Young is being unreasonable.  If you listen to the most recent interview with D'Angelo it sounds like Russell has tried to put an end to this maturely, but Young is letting it become a cancerous situation.   Like I said, Young comes from an era where teammates pulled loaded guns on each other over frivolous card games.   Sounds like Russell has tried to talk some sense into him, but Young is holding a childish grudge over a situation he himself is responsible for.  This kind of behavior is pretty common.   We've all heard the stories of a girlfriend who gets caught cheating and then lashes out at the boyfriend, because he was looking at her text messages.   It's pretty easy for losers like Nick Young to point the blame at someone else for their own behavior.


Re: DeAngelo Russell secretly films Nick Young - creates huge rift
« Reply #194 on: April 02, 2016, 08:50:26 PM »

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I think it bears repeating again.  Immediately after Young talked about the 19 year old at the club, Russell is heard on the video telling Young he just taped him.  If it was a big deal to Young he would have Russell immediately delete the video, but you see it wasn't a big deal to Young because he and Russell had been pranking each other all season and Young had recently posted a video of Russell hitting on some ladies.  You know basically the exact same thing except Young actually posted it to social media himself. 

The Lakers are a trainwreck.  Brian Scott is a disaster.  I wouldn't trust a [dang] thing coming out of that lockeroom or coach.
Exactly.  It wasn't a big deal... and it probably wasn't a big deal after D'Angelo did whatever he did with the video (probably shared it out with their mutual bros).   We're all speculating in this situation, but since everyone immediately (and unfairly) treated D'Angelo like a baby murderer, I'm choosing to speculate (based on public comments that back it up) that the video leaked out unintentionally, Young freaked out because he was caught cheating... and Young allowed it to become a lockerroom issue deflecting the blame away from himself.  It sounds like Young is continuing to hold a grudge... Lakers are reportedly going to look to trade him this Summer.   

When the dust settles on this, the kid with the sky high ceiling will be fine.   

The headcase journeyman holding a grudge over his teammate inadvertently exposing he cheated on his fiance -- welp, he'll be lookin for a new home.