Zach Lowe: C's low-balled cavs for Love at the deadline

[hwangjini_1]

I wonder what the "low-ball" offer was.

a bag of cheetos? 

[greece66]

If I were DGriffin, the only C's player I'd be interested in is Crowder (+whoever, just to match contracts).

 

[JBcat]

I think what makes sense is Anthony to the Cavs, Love to Boston, the Nets pick, Sully's restricted rights, Amir and Jonas to match contracts to the Knicks.   I'd rather give up a combination of lesser assets but that probably isn't happening.

[PhoSita]

My guess at the low-ball would be something like

Amir, Bradley, Young + BOS 2016 1st + DAL 2016 1st + MIN 2016 1st

for

Love, Kaun, Jones

[Big333223]

I'd rather have Ainge lowballing the Cavs on Love than offering a ridiculous overpay for him.

This. I'm not sold on Love but I would like to see how Stevens could use him and he's a former all star. I like the idea that Ainge is out there testing the waters and seeing what he can get for a good deal.

[LarBrd33]

We don't know what the Cavs considered a "lowball" package.   Maybe it was David Lee, Marcus Smart and the Brooklyn 1st.   Maybe the Cavs thought that was an insult of an offer and should have included Jae Crowder and several additional 1sts.   Who knows.  Maybe everything seems like a "lowball" offer when you gave up Andrew Wiggins to get the guy in the first place.

[Evantime34]

We don't know what the Cavs considered a "lowball" package.   Maybe it was David Lee, Marcus Smart and the Brooklyn 1st.   Maybe the Cavs thought that was an insult of an offer and should have included Jae Crowder and several additional 1sts.   Who knows.  Maybe everything seems like a "lowball" offer when you gave up Andrew Wiggins to get the guy in the first place.

TP.

I'm going to need to know what the offer is before I decide if it's a low ball offer, because lowball is such a subjective term.

[LooseCannon]

I'll go with a package that did not include Thomas, Bradley, Smart, Crowder, or any Brooklyn first.

[aingeforthree]

Just like IT4 was his main target, it's easy to see Ainge is stopping at nothing to get his next man, Kevin Love.

We might as well book it right now.  This deal is happening at some point this summer.  For what type of offer, who knows ?

[LooseCannon]

I'd rather have Ainge lowballing the Cavs on Love than offering a ridiculous overpay for him.

This. I'm not sold on Love but I would like to see how Stevens could use him and he's a former all star. I like the idea that Ainge is out there testing the waters and seeing what he can get for a good deal.

Probably as a post defender next to another big who can defend out to the perimeter and as a smallball center.

[Eddie20]

The Cleveland Cavaliers and Boston Celtics discussed a Kevin Love trade at the deadline, but talks died when Danny Ainge only offered a low-ball package David Griffin wouldn't consider.

The Cavaliers could revisit a trade of Love in the offseason if they don't win the title.

The Celtics would be the favorites as they have enough assets to make an attractive offer for Love without gutting their team.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/241370/Celtics-Low-Balled-Cavs-On-Kevin-Love-Offer-At-Deadline

The bolded part wasn't anywhere in the article.

This is the exact quote from Lowe:

If they lose again, I'd bet big on Love being elsewhere -- a split that might end up the best thing for everyone. Cleveland and Boston had trade talks for Love at the deadline, though they died with Boston offering a low-ball package the Cavs wouldn't consider, according to several league sources. Even if Boston's interest has faded, someone will call Cleveland about Love around the draft. Wiggins has more trade value than Love now, but that deal was the right move at the time.

Always dangerous citing another source than the direct one.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15087119/the-cavaliers-trying-figure-are

[Eddie20]

We don't know what the Cavs considered a "lowball" package.   Maybe it was David Lee, Marcus Smart and the Brooklyn 1st.   Maybe the Cavs thought that was an insult of an offer and should have included Jae Crowder and several additional 1sts.   Who knows.  Maybe everything seems like a "lowball" offer when you gave up Andrew Wiggins to get the guy in the first place.

Lowe has gone on record that he's not sure he would trade Crowder for Love straight up when including all factors (age, contract, D, etc.). So I really doubt he would've worded it the way he did. Instead it would've been something like "the Cavs wanted a king's ranson" or something of the like. Especially when he did say in his article "even if Boston's interest has faded".

[Vox_Populi]

It'd be unfortunate to give up Crowder considering he's the kind of player you have to play next Love.

[GreenShooter]

I'm glad if DA tried to low-ball them. I'm sure it wasn't that low ball of an offer but the Cavs may be saying it in case the teams rekindle trade talks over the summer.

[LarBrd33]

We don't know what the Cavs considered a "lowball" package.   Maybe it was David Lee, Marcus Smart and the Brooklyn 1st.   Maybe the Cavs thought that was an insult of an offer and should have included Jae Crowder and several additional 1sts.   Who knows.  Maybe everything seems like a "lowball" offer when you gave up Andrew Wiggins to get the guy in the first place.

Lowe has gone on record that he's not sure he would trade Crowder for Love straight up when including all factors (age, contract, D, etc.). So I really doubt he would've worded it the way he did. Instead it would've been something like "the Cavs wanted a king's ranson" or something of the like. Especially when he did say in his article "even if Boston's interest has faded".

Just saying that what Celticsblog fans think is a "lowball" offer, what Zach Lowe thinks is a "lowball" offer, what the Boston Celtics think is a "lowball" offer, and what the Cavs think is a "lowball" offer are 4 very different things.

To some fans here, the Brooklyn pick (4th at the time) was already significantly more valuable than Jahlil Okafor or Jabari Parker.   To 85% of fans here, Marcus Smart was significantly more valuable than the Suns pick (3rd at the time).  This forum has special logic in regards to trade value.   

I've heard Lowe on podcasts with Bill Simmons expressing skepticism when Bill suggests Marcus Smart could some day be as good as Tony Allen.   On the flip side, I've heard podcasts with Lowe where he suggested Marcus Smart might be a key piece Boston would need to part with in addition to their best picks for DeMarcus Cousins... so who knows how he sees Smart two years into a disappointing career.   

Cavs apparently had no interest in draft picks.  So they might have scoffed at any and all picks we offered them.  We heard rumors that they had some interest in swapping Love for Carmelo Anthony if a team (such as Boston) was able to peak New York's interest.  Perhaps the Knicks had no interest in the Brooklyn pick.   

Who knows who described the offer as "lowball" or what that that "lowball" offer entailed.   Michael Jordan apparently thought 4 first round picks (including this year's Brooklyn pick) was a "lowball" offer for Frank Kaminsky.   Maybe we offered the Cavs a package built around Bradley, Brooklyn 1st, Dallas 1st and our own 1st and they thought we were holding back.