Perry Ellis thoughts? 2016 NBA draft prospect

[Tr1boy]

I had one GM ask me before the game if I thought Ellis would be a second-round pick. I thought no. He lacks an elite skill, size or athleticism. After the game, in which he was thoroughly dominated by Kentucky's bigs, he told me simply, "You're right, he can't play with NBA athletes."

date of this quote??

Ellis is not going to be a PF at the nba level also

[Eddie20]

a guy who is limited athletically, can't dunk like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l6Oc6EKPjs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9mUPBGeTZs

Exactly.

Triboy, he's 6-8 so him being able to dunk on a running start isn't anything to write home about. You posted links like we were going to be blown away or something. Pretty funny.

for a late 1st/2nd round pick you should be blown away.

This guy has done everything possible (staying until his senior year) to max his game. And now has above average explosiveness and can shoot.  Below is extended highlights of Ellis vs Maryland (sweet sixteen, yesterday) .  Those last two shots are vintage paul pierce.  And even today many sfs are not able to do.   

I would be happy to grab Ellis with one of our later picks. 

27 pts vs Maryland to lead Kansas to the Elite 8.   Kansas was riding on his back in the 2nd half
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thCMuo9kY58

Triboy, you have a hard time seeing the difference between college success and NBA success. It's a completely different game. It's a reason why so many star collegiate players flame out and don't amount to anything. There are countless examples of this. Ellis will be another. He has a low skillset and combines that with limited athleticism. He can get away with it in collge by going up against smaller/younger players and having really high basketball IQ. On the NBA level, he's toast.

Also why a lot of college under-performers end up becoming studs. Totally different game

exactly

NBA space + newfound explosiveness is only going to help Ellis. His 1st step is really good this season.  Like he was not able to blow by his man and finish under/around the basket before.  Or he had problems to do it

Eddie20 I understand its a different. You have to understand that Perry Jones 3 type of mouthwatering physical tools is not always going to cut it in the NBA.   You need to look at the "nuts and bolts" also. 

Ellis if he came out after last season would of pro been undrafted.  Tweener in a bad way like a few have said.  But this season he has worked/developed on "SF" part of the game.   Explosiveness/quickness/ jump shot/3 pt range.     

So why put him down and remember him as the player we know from freshman to junior?  He has advanced his game . And I think he could be the next PJ Tucker,  Ryan Gomes, Marcus Morris at the NBA level

Triboy, do you realize how farfetched it is for Ellis to gain the "explosion" you keep referring to? Explosion that no one else see, but you. To entertain you I would say that if he gained this new found athleticism at this age in player development then it should be considered a modern day miracle because I can't think of one single player that went from lacking athleticism to being "explosive" from age 21 to 22.

[Eddie20]

I had one GM ask me before the game if I thought Ellis would be a second-round pick. I thought no. He lacks an elite skill, size or athleticism. After the game, in which he was thoroughly dominated by Kentucky's bigs, he told me simply, "You're right, he can't play with NBA athletes."

date of this quote??

Ellis is not going to be a PF at the nba level also

5 months ago and before his metamorphosis into the Human Highlight Film

[PhoSita]

He's got the size and versatility to play a role at the NBA level if he can shoot and box out.

Even Jared Jeffries stuck around the league for a while on that basis, and that sort of player is more valued now.

[The Rondo Show]

a guy who is limited athletically, can't dunk like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l6Oc6EKPjs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9mUPBGeTZs

Exactly.

Triboy, he's 6-8 so him being able to dunk on a running start isn't anything to write home about. You posted links like we were going to be blown away or something. Pretty funny.

for a late 1st/2nd round pick you should be blown away.

This guy has done everything possible (staying until his senior year) to max his game. And now has above average explosiveness and can shoot.  Below is extended highlights of Ellis vs Maryland (sweet sixteen, yesterday) .  Those last two shots are vintage paul pierce.  And even today many sfs are not able to do.   

I would be happy to grab Ellis with one of our later picks. 

27 pts vs Maryland to lead Kansas to the Elite 8.   Kansas was riding on his back in the 2nd half
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thCMuo9kY58

Triboy, you have a hard time seeing the difference between college success and NBA success. It's a completely different game. It's a reason why so many star collegiate players flame out and don't amount to anything. There are countless examples of this. Ellis will be another. He has a low skillset and combines that with limited athleticism. He can get away with it in collge by going up against smaller/younger players and having really high basketball IQ. On the NBA level, he's toast.

Also why a lot of college under-performers end up becoming studs. Totally different game

exactly

NBA space + newfound explosiveness is only going to help Ellis. His 1st step is really good this season.  Like he was not able to blow by his man and finish under/around the basket before.  Or he had problems to do it

Eddie20 I understand its a different. You have to understand that Perry Jones 3 type of mouthwatering physical tools is not always going to cut it in the NBA.   You need to look at the "nuts and bolts" also. 

Ellis if he came out after last season would of prob been undrafted.  Tweener in a bad way like a few have said.  But this season he has worked/developed on "SF" part of the game.   Explosiveness/quickness/ jump shot/3 pt range.     

So why put him down and remember him as the player we know from freshman to junior?  He has advanced his game . And I think he could be the next PJ Tucker,  Ryan Gomes, Marcus Morris at the NBA level

This is not what I meant when I said it's a totally different game.

[Lucky17]

He's got the size and versatility to play a role at the NBA level if he can shoot and box out.

Even Jared Jeffries stuck around the league for a while on that basis, and that sort of player is more valued now.

Charlie Villanueva has stuck around, and he doesn't even box out.

[PhoSita]

He's got the size and versatility to play a role at the NBA level if he can shoot and box out.

Even Jared Jeffries stuck around the league for a while on that basis, and that sort of player is more valued now.

Charlie Villanueva has stuck around, and he doesn't even box out.

Really good point.

Man, I can't believe that guy is still in the league.

[Tr1boy]

a guy who is limited athletically, can't dunk like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l6Oc6EKPjs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9mUPBGeTZs

Exactly.

Triboy, he's 6-8 so him being able to dunk on a running start isn't anything to write home about. You posted links like we were going to be blown away or something. Pretty funny.

for a late 1st/2nd round pick you should be blown away.

This guy has done everything possible (staying until his senior year) to max his game. And now has above average explosiveness and can shoot.  Below is extended highlights of Ellis vs Maryland (sweet sixteen, yesterday) .  Those last two shots are vintage paul pierce.  And even today many sfs are not able to do.   

I would be happy to grab Ellis with one of our later picks. 

27 pts vs Maryland to lead Kansas to the Elite 8.   Kansas was riding on his back in the 2nd half
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thCMuo9kY58

Triboy, you have a hard time seeing the difference between college success and NBA success. It's a completely different game. It's a reason why so many star collegiate players flame out and don't amount to anything. There are countless examples of this. Ellis will be another. He has a low skillset and combines that with limited athleticism. He can get away with it in collge by going up against smaller/younger players and having really high basketball IQ. On the NBA level, he's toast.

Also why a lot of college under-performers end up becoming studs. Totally different game

exactly

NBA space + newfound explosiveness is only going to help Ellis. His 1st step is really good this season.  Like he was not able to blow by his man and finish under/around the basket before.  Or he had problems to do it

Eddie20 I understand its a different. You have to understand that Perry Jones 3 type of mouthwatering physical tools is not always going to cut it in the NBA.   You need to look at the "nuts and bolts" also. 

Ellis if he came out after last season would of pro been undrafted.  Tweener in a bad way like a few have said.  But this season he has worked/developed on "SF" part of the game.   Explosiveness/quickness/ jump shot/3 pt range.     

So why put him down and remember him as the player we know from freshman to junior?  He has advanced his game . And I think he could be the next PJ Tucker,  Ryan Gomes, Marcus Morris at the NBA level

Triboy, do you realize how farfetched it is for Ellis to gain the "explosion" you keep referring to? Explosion that no one else see, but you. To entertain you I would say that if he gained this new found athleticism at this age in player development then it should be considered a modern day miracle because I can't think of one single player that went from lacking athleticism to being "explosive" from age 21 to 22.

If you can understand the difference between the dunks from 2014 to this seasons , I guess by your standards, miracles can happen Eddie20. 

2014 dunk/explosiveness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-cs-6Xk6dw

2015 dunks/explosiveness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP_hHu5Xwhg

2016 dunks/explosiveness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l6Oc6EKPjs

[Eddie20]

a guy who is limited athletically, can't dunk like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l6Oc6EKPjs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9mUPBGeTZs

Exactly.

Triboy, he's 6-8 so him being able to dunk on a running start isn't anything to write home about. You posted links like we were going to be blown away or something. Pretty funny.

for a late 1st/2nd round pick you should be blown away.

This guy has done everything possible (staying until his senior year) to max his game. And now has above average explosiveness and can shoot.  Below is extended highlights of Ellis vs Maryland (sweet sixteen, yesterday) .  Those last two shots are vintage paul pierce.  And even today many sfs are not able to do.   

I would be happy to grab Ellis with one of our later picks. 

27 pts vs Maryland to lead Kansas to the Elite 8.   Kansas was riding on his back in the 2nd half
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thCMuo9kY58

Triboy, you have a hard time seeing the difference between college success and NBA success. It's a completely different game. It's a reason why so many star collegiate players flame out and don't amount to anything. There are countless examples of this. Ellis will be another. He has a low skillset and combines that with limited athleticism. He can get away with it in collge by going up against smaller/younger players and having really high basketball IQ. On the NBA level, he's toast.

Also why a lot of college under-performers end up becoming studs. Totally different game

exactly

NBA space + newfound explosiveness is only going to help Ellis. His 1st step is really good this season.  Like he was not able to blow by his man and finish under/around the basket before.  Or he had problems to do it

Eddie20 I understand its a different. You have to understand that Perry Jones 3 type of mouthwatering physical tools is not always going to cut it in the NBA.   You need to look at the "nuts and bolts" also. 

Ellis if he came out after last season would of pro been undrafted.  Tweener in a bad way like a few have said.  But this season he has worked/developed on "SF" part of the game.   Explosiveness/quickness/ jump shot/3 pt range.     

So why put him down and remember him as the player we know from freshman to junior?  He has advanced his game . And I think he could be the next PJ Tucker,  Ryan Gomes, Marcus Morris at the NBA level

Triboy, do you realize how farfetched it is for Ellis to gain the "explosion" you keep referring to? Explosion that no one else see, but you. To entertain you I would say that if he gained this new found athleticism at this age in player development then it should be considered a modern day miracle because I can't think of one single player that went from lacking athleticism to being "explosive" from age 21 to 22.

If you can understand the dunks from 2014 to dunks from this season , I guess by your standards, miracles can happen Eddie20. 

2014 dunk/explosiveness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-cs-6Xk6dw

2015 dunks/explosiveness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP_hHu5Xwhg

2016 dunks/explosiveness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l6Oc6EKPjs

Really impressive stuff. A 6-8, 6-9 guy that can dunk? That's unreal.

[Tr1boy]

a guy who is limited athletically, can't dunk like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l6Oc6EKPjs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9mUPBGeTZs

Exactly.

Triboy, he's 6-8 so him being able to dunk on a running start isn't anything to write home about. You posted links like we were going to be blown away or something. Pretty funny.

for a late 1st/2nd round pick you should be blown away.

This guy has done everything possible (staying until his senior year) to max his game. And now has above average explosiveness and can shoot.  Below is extended highlights of Ellis vs Maryland (sweet sixteen, yesterday) .  Those last two shots are vintage paul pierce.  And even today many sfs are not able to do.   

I would be happy to grab Ellis with one of our later picks. 

27 pts vs Maryland to lead Kansas to the Elite 8.   Kansas was riding on his back in the 2nd half
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thCMuo9kY58

Triboy, you have a hard time seeing the difference between college success and NBA success. It's a completely different game. It's a reason why so many star collegiate players flame out and don't amount to anything. There are countless examples of this. Ellis will be another. He has a low skillset and combines that with limited athleticism. He can get away with it in collge by going up against smaller/younger players and having really high basketball IQ. On the NBA level, he's toast.

Also why a lot of college under-performers end up becoming studs. Totally different game

exactly

NBA space + newfound explosiveness is only going to help Ellis. His 1st step is really good this season.  Like he was not able to blow by his man and finish under/around the basket before.  Or he had problems to do it

Eddie20 I understand its a different. You have to understand that Perry Jones 3 type of mouthwatering physical tools is not always going to cut it in the NBA.   You need to look at the "nuts and bolts" also. 

Ellis if he came out after last season would of pro been undrafted.  Tweener in a bad way like a few have said.  But this season he has worked/developed on "SF" part of the game.   Explosiveness/quickness/ jump shot/3 pt range.     

So why put him down and remember him as the player we know from freshman to junior?  He has advanced his game . And I think he could be the next PJ Tucker,  Ryan Gomes, Marcus Morris at the NBA level

Triboy, do you realize how farfetched it is for Ellis to gain the "explosion" you keep referring to? Explosion that no one else see, but you. To entertain you I would say that if he gained this new found athleticism at this age in player development then it should be considered a modern day miracle because I can't think of one single player that went from lacking athleticism to being "explosive" from age 21 to 22.

If you can understand the dunks from 2014 to dunks from this season , I guess by your standards, miracles can happen Eddie20. 

2014 dunk/explosiveness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-cs-6Xk6dw

2015 dunks/explosiveness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP_hHu5Xwhg

2016 dunks/explosiveness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l6Oc6EKPjs

Really impressive stuff. A 6-8, 6-9 guy that can dunk? That's unreal.

I worry about your ability to see details

[Eddie20]

a guy who is limited athletically, can't dunk like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l6Oc6EKPjs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9mUPBGeTZs

Exactly.

Triboy, he's 6-8 so him being able to dunk on a running start isn't anything to write home about. You posted links like we were going to be blown away or something. Pretty funny.

for a late 1st/2nd round pick you should be blown away.

This guy has done everything possible (staying until his senior year) to max his game. And now has above average explosiveness and can shoot.  Below is extended highlights of Ellis vs Maryland (sweet sixteen, yesterday) .  Those last two shots are vintage paul pierce.  And even today many sfs are not able to do.   

I would be happy to grab Ellis with one of our later picks. 

27 pts vs Maryland to lead Kansas to the Elite 8.   Kansas was riding on his back in the 2nd half
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thCMuo9kY58

Triboy, you have a hard time seeing the difference between college success and NBA success. It's a completely different game. It's a reason why so many star collegiate players flame out and don't amount to anything. There are countless examples of this. Ellis will be another. He has a low skillset and combines that with limited athleticism. He can get away with it in collge by going up against smaller/younger players and having really high basketball IQ. On the NBA level, he's toast.

Also why a lot of college under-performers end up becoming studs. Totally different game

exactly

NBA space + newfound explosiveness is only going to help Ellis. His 1st step is really good this season.  Like he was not able to blow by his man and finish under/around the basket before.  Or he had problems to do it

Eddie20 I understand its a different. You have to understand that Perry Jones 3 type of mouthwatering physical tools is not always going to cut it in the NBA.   You need to look at the "nuts and bolts" also. 

Ellis if he came out after last season would of pro been undrafted.  Tweener in a bad way like a few have said.  But this season he has worked/developed on "SF" part of the game.   Explosiveness/quickness/ jump shot/3 pt range.     

So why put him down and remember him as the player we know from freshman to junior?  He has advanced his game . And I think he could be the next PJ Tucker,  Ryan Gomes, Marcus Morris at the NBA level

Triboy, do you realize how farfetched it is for Ellis to gain the "explosion" you keep referring to? Explosion that no one else see, but you. To entertain you I would say that if he gained this new found athleticism at this age in player development then it should be considered a modern day miracle because I can't think of one single player that went from lacking athleticism to being "explosive" from age 21 to 22.

If you can understand the dunks from 2014 to dunks from this season , I guess by your standards, miracles can happen Eddie20. 

2014 dunk/explosiveness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-cs-6Xk6dw

2015 dunks/explosiveness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP_hHu5Xwhg

2016 dunks/explosiveness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l6Oc6EKPjs

Really impressive stuff. A 6-8, 6-9 guy that can dunk? That's unreal.

I worry about your ability to see details

Is this coming from the same guy that just the other day said Lillard is better than Curry? We're now 3 pages into a thread about a nice college player who will be lucky if he can even make a roster next season.

[Tr1boy]

a guy who is limited athletically, can't dunk like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l6Oc6EKPjs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9mUPBGeTZs

Exactly.

Triboy, he's 6-8 so him being able to dunk on a running start isn't anything to write home about. You posted links like we were going to be blown away or something. Pretty funny.

for a late 1st/2nd round pick you should be blown away.

This guy has done everything possible (staying until his senior year) to max his game. And now has above average explosiveness and can shoot.  Below is extended highlights of Ellis vs Maryland (sweet sixteen, yesterday) .  Those last two shots are vintage paul pierce.  And even today many sfs are not able to do.   

I would be happy to grab Ellis with one of our later picks. 

27 pts vs Maryland to lead Kansas to the Elite 8.   Kansas was riding on his back in the 2nd half
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thCMuo9kY58

Triboy, you have a hard time seeing the difference between college success and NBA success. It's a completely different game. It's a reason why so many star collegiate players flame out and don't amount to anything. There are countless examples of this. Ellis will be another. He has a low skillset and combines that with limited athleticism. He can get away with it in collge by going up against smaller/younger players and having really high basketball IQ. On the NBA level, he's toast.

Also why a lot of college under-performers end up becoming studs. Totally different game

exactly

NBA space + newfound explosiveness is only going to help Ellis. His 1st step is really good this season.  Like he was not able to blow by his man and finish under/around the basket before.  Or he had problems to do it

Eddie20 I understand its a different. You have to understand that Perry Jones 3 type of mouthwatering physical tools is not always going to cut it in the NBA.   You need to look at the "nuts and bolts" also. 

Ellis if he came out after last season would of pro been undrafted.  Tweener in a bad way like a few have said.  But this season he has worked/developed on "SF" part of the game.   Explosiveness/quickness/ jump shot/3 pt range.     

So why put him down and remember him as the player we know from freshman to junior?  He has advanced his game . And I think he could be the next PJ Tucker,  Ryan Gomes, Marcus Morris at the NBA level

Triboy, do you realize how farfetched it is for Ellis to gain the "explosion" you keep referring to? Explosion that no one else see, but you. To entertain you I would say that if he gained this new found athleticism at this age in player development then it should be considered a modern day miracle because I can't think of one single player that went from lacking athleticism to being "explosive" from age 21 to 22.

If you can understand the dunks from 2014 to dunks from this season , I guess by your standards, miracles can happen Eddie20. 

2014 dunk/explosiveness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-cs-6Xk6dw

2015 dunks/explosiveness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP_hHu5Xwhg

2016 dunks/explosiveness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l6Oc6EKPjs

Really impressive stuff. A 6-8, 6-9 guy that can dunk? That's unreal.

I worry about your ability to see details

Is this coming from the same guy that just the other day said Lillard is better than Curry? We're now 3 pages into a thread about a nice college player who will be lucky if he can even make a roster next season.

this thread was up weeks ago. Not the other day.  Details

Also the main focus was not on who was better etc.  The question was, who you would take.  What would happen if they switch places hypothetical question.

I don't want to waste time on prospects that have little to no chance in the NBA, like your Vander Blue.   

Ainge is high on players that are leaders of their team (from college).  Ellis is just that for Kansas this season.  If you look at their less than stellar talent level lineup this season, they have no business making it to the elite 8.   Ellis is a big reason why

[IDreamCeltics]

Reminds me a lot more of Shane Battier than Ryan Gomes.

[Lucky17]

Selden interests me much more than Ellis does. Not with a 1st round pick, though.

[chilidawg]

Reminds me a lot more of Shane Battier than Ryan Gomes.

Battier without the defense and 3 point shooting maybe.  Gomes seems like a better comp.