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Re: Voisin of Sacramento Bee: Cousins must be traded
« Reply #60 on: March 16, 2016, 06:53:30 AM »

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Don't Cousins and Durant hate each other?
I think getting Cousins here would out a lot of players off coming here as free agents tbh.
Our old friend Kevin Garnett is considered one of the biggest jerks in the nba but him being on a team makes it a winner

Right, but Kevin Garnett also played hard all the time.

Boogie Cousins says he wants to win, but he doesn't play like it.   His apologists always point to his desire to win as the reason for his constant friction with refs, opposing players, teammates, executives, media, and coaches but a quick YouTube search of, "Demarcus Cousins defense" will bring up  videos of him walking, standing still, watching, and essentially contributing zero on the defensive end... You can't find video of KG EVER in his entire career checking out of a game mentally while on the floor.  People who compare Cousins to KG or Moses Malone can't possibly actually watch basketball.

Re: Voisin of Sacramento Bee: Cousins must be traded
« Reply #61 on: March 16, 2016, 08:35:53 AM »

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The hardest part for SAC is to decide what they want in exchange for Cousins.

They never had an identity as a team. Many of their players (Rondo, Belinelli, WCS, Koufos) and their coach arrived this season. Divac became GM last summer too.

Until now, they were DMC's team.  He is their best player and he has been there the longest. If he leaves it is even more unclear what kind of team they are, what playing style they have, what players/assets fit their system.

On the bright side, Boston is one of the few teams in the League that can offer almost anything  in a trade (except a top-20 player): we have players who are not stars but have established themselves in the League (AB, Crowder), a good prospect on rookie contract (Kelly), lots of draft picks, one of the best value for money contracts in the NBA (IT).

If Divac decides to press the button, we will be well positioned.

PS that was a nice find by Chambers. I still find it hard to believe SAC is close to trading their only good asset, at a time when DMC's market value if anything has decreased,  but it looks like their Front Office and ownership badly needs a fresh start.

PPS Trading Porzingis for DMC might seem like an intriguing idea, but it is a bad one if one thinks about it.

For all we know, Porz is only 20, has an amazing body and excellent instincts and is already a better shooter and shot blocker than DMC. His ceiling might well be as high or even higher than DMC's. Add to this that he is on a rookie contract and he will be receiving 1/3 of what DMC is getting for the next three seasons (DMC by comparison becomes an FA after two seasons).

This is a big no-no. Makes a lot more sense for NYK to rebuild around Porzingis.

Re: Voisin of Sacramento Bee: Cousins must be traded
« Reply #62 on: March 16, 2016, 08:39:56 AM »

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Kevin Garnett is one of the greatest power forwards of all time. He arguably has one the most infectious positive/winning attitudes in the history of sports, and single handedly changed the culture of this Celtics franchise with his hard work and attitude.

Kevin Garnett successfully fuels his emotions into playing hard and trying his hardest to win every night. Kevin Garnett doesn't/didn't take plays off and cherished every second he was out on the floor.

DeMarcus Cousins is an embarrassment to guys like KG who appreciate every moment they have the chance to play in the NBA.

DMC is Kevin Garnett's ball boy.

Lets see if KG would have been so well behaved if he had to deal with the Kings organisation in it's current state...

KG went through a miserable stretch at Minny.
The two men are completely different because KG still played his heart out, even when they sucked. Cousins has never been any different from the moment he walked out onto the college parquet.
He was a whiney, emotional, pouting, scolding brat at Kentucky, and he's the same brat at Sacto.

To compare the attitudes of the two is just insulting to Kevin Garnett.
It's fine to wanna back up Cousins and say he's in the wrong situation/needs a change of scenery but you can never compare Cousins to KG.

Cousins is a mental midget. KG is one of the mentally strongest players to ever play the game.

KG made the playoffs every single year from 1996/97 to 2003/04 with a great coach in Flip Saunders.

It wasn't until the 2004/05 season (when Flip was replaced by Kevin McHale) that they missed the playoffs, and they finished that season with a .537 win record.

KG suffered only three seasons with a losing record, and in two of those seasons they were still reasonably competitive (0.402, 0.390) so only one true stinker of a season (0.268).

It's not so hard to swallow three bad seasons when you have just spent your first 9 years in the league playing on a competitive and well coached teams.

Cousins hasn't had a single winning season since he's been in the league, nor has he played for really a single good coach.  That's on top of the organisation being an absolute farce.

Comparing what the two players went through is a joke.

KG was happy to sacrifice his game when he came to Boston because he had had so much success already in Minnesota, and was ready to sacrifice for a title. 

The guys had even been on record saying that they never would have worked together if they tried to join earlier in their careers, when their egos were still huge.

Again, it's very different going through 8-9 years of winning and then having to live through 3 years of losing, then going to a new team and going through anther 4-5 years of winning...versus having nothing but losing from the day you enter the league, and playing for nothing but bad coaches on poorly managed teams.

Absolutely no comparison.


Crim, there is no comparison because Kevin Garnett has never taken a single play 'off' in his NBA career. DMC routinely gives up on his team. He dogs it routinely. When things don't go his way on the court, he whines. He gives up, puts his head down, shakes his head when team mates miss a shot or a pass to him. He literally acts like a 12 year old child.

Great players lead by example. The lead. They let their coaches give them guidance and show respect to their coaches so their coaches can lead the team.

This guy doesn't lead anyone. He doesn't have the respect of his team mates. He doesn't have the respect of his coaches.

How can anyone respect a guy that won't respect the basic fundamentals of being a professional basketball player?

The guy is a generational talent. Unfortunately he's a generational brat.
Will he mature as he gets older? It's possible- but he hasn't shown a single thing to make us think that he'll ever change his behavior and it's always someone else's fault.
The coach, the GM, the owner, the organization. But never Cousins.
To compare KG to Cousins in any way is completely misinterpreting KG's passion and fire/hard work/never give up attitude and is manipulating the story of an NBA legend in an attempt to bring credibility or reasoning to DMC's childish, pathetic and blatantly selfish behavior.
It's bull$%*%
« Last Edit: March 16, 2016, 08:46:07 AM by chambers »
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.

Re: Voisin of Sacramento Bee: Cousins must be traded
« Reply #63 on: March 16, 2016, 11:26:51 AM »

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If we won the lottery or even got in the top 2, I believe at this stage that would be basically enough to get him....maybe the pick is worth much more to the Kings and they would send back another vet on a good contract, idk.

The people that say they dont want cousins need to do some more research, not just on him but the NBA and what it would mean for him to be in the east.

When it comes down to it Cousins can pass and do just about everything. He has the "GOLD" standard with measurements of 7'6'' wingspan and 9'5'' standing reach, that should help him have a long career.

But in the end:
1. he is just too powerful for the Cavs and any other team in the top of the East. He would also force the Warriors to play big instead of small.
2. CBS is possibly the best coach I have ever seen and if we got Cousins I would be willing to bet that Stevens would get along perfectly with Cousins and turn him into a leader
3. If Cousins is not playing 100% because of the Kings situation and disfunction then imagine a Cousins with CBS attitude and playing to his full potential.
4. Durant would have to put us on his list for top teams and because he may want to keep playing with Russell we could let him know our ability to sign Westbrook.
5. Imagine our bench to go along with an unbelievable starting line-up.

Re: Voisin of Sacramento Bee: Cousins must be traded
« Reply #64 on: March 16, 2016, 12:41:24 PM »

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Kevin Garnett is one of the greatest power forwards of all time. He arguably has one the most infectious positive/winning attitudes in the history of sports, and single handedly changed the culture of this Celtics franchise with his hard work and attitude.

Kevin Garnett successfully fuels his emotions into playing hard and trying his hardest to win every night. Kevin Garnett doesn't/didn't take plays off and cherished every second he was out on the floor.

DeMarcus Cousins is an embarrassment to guys like KG who appreciate every moment they have the chance to play in the NBA.

DMC is Kevin Garnett's ball boy.

Lets see if KG would have been so well behaved if he had to deal with the Kings organisation in it's current state...

KG went through a miserable stretch at Minny.
The two men are completely different because KG still played his heart out, even when they sucked. Cousins has never been any different from the moment he walked out onto the college parquet.
He was a whiney, emotional, pouting, scolding brat at Kentucky, and he's the same brat at Sacto.

To compare the attitudes of the two is just insulting to Kevin Garnett.
It's fine to wanna back up Cousins and say he's in the wrong situation/needs a change of scenery but you can never compare Cousins to KG.

Cousins is a mental midget. KG is one of the mentally strongest players to ever play the game.

KG made the playoffs every single year from 1996/97 to 2003/04 with a great coach in Flip Saunders.

It wasn't until the 2004/05 season (when Flip was replaced by Kevin McHale) that they missed the playoffs, and they finished that season with a .537 win record.

KG suffered only three seasons with a losing record, and in two of those seasons they were still reasonably competitive (0.402, 0.390) so only one true stinker of a season (0.268).

It's not so hard to swallow three bad seasons when you have just spent your first 9 years in the league playing on a competitive and well coached teams.

Cousins hasn't had a single winning season since he's been in the league, nor has he played for really a single good coach.  That's on top of the organisation being an absolute farce.

Comparing what the two players went through is a joke.

KG was happy to sacrifice his game when he came to Boston because he had had so much success already in Minnesota, and was ready to sacrifice for a title. 

The guys had even been on record saying that they never would have worked together if they tried to join earlier in their careers, when their egos were still huge.

Again, it's very different going through 8-9 years of winning and then having to live through 3 years of losing, then going to a new team and going through anther 4-5 years of winning...versus having nothing but losing from the day you enter the league, and playing for nothing but bad coaches on poorly managed teams.

Absolutely no comparison.


Crim, there is no comparison because Kevin Garnett has never taken a single play 'off' in his NBA career. DMC routinely gives up on his team. He dogs it routinely. When things don't go his way on the court, he whines. He gives up, puts his head down, shakes his head when team mates miss a shot or a pass to him. He literally acts like a 12 year old child.

Great players lead by example. The lead. They let their coaches give them guidance and show respect to their coaches so their coaches can lead the team.

This guy doesn't lead anyone. He doesn't have the respect of his team mates. He doesn't have the respect of his coaches.

How can anyone respect a guy that won't respect the basic fundamentals of being a professional basketball player?

The guy is a generational talent. Unfortunately he's a generational brat.
Will he mature as he gets older? It's possible- but he hasn't shown a single thing to make us think that he'll ever change his behavior and it's always someone else's fault.
The coach, the GM, the owner, the organization. But never Cousins.
To compare KG to Cousins in any way is completely misinterpreting KG's passion and fire/hard work/never give up attitude and is manipulating the story of an NBA legend in an attempt to bring credibility or reasoning to DMC's childish, pathetic and blatantly selfish behavior.
It's bull$%*%

Someone who doesn't understand the context of Boogies career

KG was never in a position of having to quit as Boogie was post Malone last year, and this year with a coach he does not like misusing him and the team itself quitting

Re: Voisin of Sacramento Bee: Cousins must be traded
« Reply #65 on: March 16, 2016, 12:43:16 PM »

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Cousins issues are real but the SAC situation is so screwed up from top to bottom he never had a chance. I'd trade for him in a heartbeat, even though there is a decent chance it'd implode.

A personality fueled implosion is always going to be a lesser risk than an injury one in sports for the most part anyways.

Re: Voisin of Sacramento Bee: Cousins must be traded
« Reply #66 on: March 16, 2016, 12:45:21 PM »

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Cousins issues are real but the SAC situation is so screwed up from top to bottom he never had a chance. I'd trade for him in a heartbeat, even though there is a decent chance it'd implode.

A personality fueled implosion is always going to be a lesser risk than an injury one in sports for the most part anyways.

I agree that I would trade for him too but I am curious how much you would give up? What kind of package would you send the Kings?


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Re: Voisin of Sacramento Bee: Cousins must be traded
« Reply #67 on: March 16, 2016, 12:49:04 PM »

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Cousins issues are real but the SAC situation is so screwed up from top to bottom he never had a chance. I'd trade for him in a heartbeat, even though there is a decent chance it'd implode.

A personality fueled implosion is always going to be a lesser risk than an injury one in sports for the most part anyways.

I agree that I would trade for him too but I am curious how much you would give up? What kind of package would you send the Kings?
KG/Kevin Love type package.

Multiple first round picks plus players/prospects that are also highly valued. So both BKN picks plus players potentially. Obviously you bargain to get the best deal possible.

Of course the lottery will determine how much the pick this year is worth, I think I'd still trade it for Boogie if it was the 1. though it'd be hard to pull the trigger. At least then I could keep more talent.

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« Reply #68 on: March 16, 2016, 06:07:06 PM »

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Cousins issues are real but the SAC situation is so screwed up from top to bottom he never had a chance. I'd trade for him in a heartbeat, even though there is a decent chance it'd implode.

A personality fueled implosion is always going to be a lesser risk than an injury one in sports for the most part anyways.



Easy to say as a fan, much more difficult if you're Danny. It's rolls of the dice like this that looses a GM his job, and may cripple a team for years to come.

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« Reply #69 on: March 16, 2016, 06:16:23 PM »

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Cousins issues are real but the SAC situation is so screwed up from top to bottom he never had a chance. I'd trade for him in a heartbeat, even though there is a decent chance it'd implode.

A personality fueled implosion is always going to be a lesser risk than an injury one in sports for the most part anyways.


Easy to say as a fan, much more difficult if you're Danny. It's rolls of the dice like this that looses a GM his job, and may cripple a team for years to come.

How many times in recent years has a GM lost a job because they traded for a top 10 player who didn't work out?

I don't think I can can come up with one.

Nobody is going to fire a GM for taking a chance on a talent that great.  You'd be more inclined to fire them for having the opportunity and not taking it!

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« Reply #70 on: March 16, 2016, 06:44:08 PM »

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Kevin Garnett is one of the greatest power forwards of all time. He arguably has one the most infectious positive/winning attitudes in the history of sports, and single handedly changed the culture of this Celtics franchise with his hard work and attitude.

Kevin Garnett successfully fuels his emotions into playing hard and trying his hardest to win every night. Kevin Garnett doesn't/didn't take plays off and cherished every second he was out on the floor.

DeMarcus Cousins is an embarrassment to guys like KG who appreciate every moment they have the chance to play in the NBA.

DMC is Kevin Garnett's ball boy.

Lets see if KG would have been so well behaved if he had to deal with the Kings organisation in it's current state...

KG went through a miserable stretch at Minny.
The two men are completely different because KG still played his heart out, even when they sucked. Cousins has never been any different from the moment he walked out onto the college parquet.
He was a whiney, emotional, pouting, scolding brat at Kentucky, and he's the same brat at Sacto.

To compare the attitudes of the two is just insulting to Kevin Garnett.
It's fine to wanna back up Cousins and say he's in the wrong situation/needs a change of scenery but you can never compare Cousins to KG.

Cousins is a mental midget. KG is one of the mentally strongest players to ever play the game.

KG made the playoffs every single year from 1996/97 to 2003/04 with a great coach in Flip Saunders.

It wasn't until the 2004/05 season (when Flip was replaced by Kevin McHale) that they missed the playoffs, and they finished that season with a .537 win record.

KG suffered only three seasons with a losing record, and in two of those seasons they were still reasonably competitive (0.402, 0.390) so only one true stinker of a season (0.268).

It's not so hard to swallow three bad seasons when you have just spent your first 9 years in the league playing on a competitive and well coached teams.

Cousins hasn't had a single winning season since he's been in the league, nor has he played for really a single good coach.  That's on top of the organisation being an absolute farce.

Comparing what the two players went through is a joke.

KG was happy to sacrifice his game when he came to Boston because he had had so much success already in Minnesota, and was ready to sacrifice for a title. 

The guys had even been on record saying that they never would have worked together if they tried to join earlier in their careers, when their egos were still huge.

Again, it's very different going through 8-9 years of winning and then having to live through 3 years of losing, then going to a new team and going through anther 4-5 years of winning...versus having nothing but losing from the day you enter the league, and playing for nothing but bad coaches on poorly managed teams.

Absolutely no comparison.


Crim, there is no comparison because Kevin Garnett has never taken a single play 'off' in his NBA career. DMC routinely gives up on his team. He dogs it routinely. When things don't go his way on the court, he whines. He gives up, puts his head down, shakes his head when team mates miss a shot or a pass to him. He literally acts like a 12 year old child.

Great players lead by example. The lead. They let their coaches give them guidance and show respect to their coaches so their coaches can lead the team.

This guy doesn't lead anyone. He doesn't have the respect of his team mates. He doesn't have the respect of his coaches.

How can anyone respect a guy that won't respect the basic fundamentals of being a professional basketball player?

The guy is a generational talent. Unfortunately he's a generational brat.
Will he mature as he gets older? It's possible- but he hasn't shown a single thing to make us think that he'll ever change his behavior and it's always someone else's fault.
The coach, the GM, the owner, the organization. But never Cousins.
To compare KG to Cousins in any way is completely misinterpreting KG's passion and fire/hard work/never give up attitude and is manipulating the story of an NBA legend in an attempt to bring credibility or reasoning to DMC's childish, pathetic and blatantly selfish behavior.
It's bull$%*%

Firstly, this argument is become like an infinite loop - nobody seems to listen.

The argument about KG never giving up or taking plays off is partially irrelevant because KG hasn't ever been in the position that Cousins is in right now. 

KG has played 20 seasons in the league (not including this year) and in all that time he has had only two seasons (05/06, 06/07) where his team had a < 0.450 win record. Almost every single team he has played on has been competitive.  The Kings have not once finished with a record above 0.400 since Cousins was drafted into the league. 

KG has also gone on record in the past talking about how much he benefited from the mentoring of veteran Sam Mitchell and coach Flip Saunders in Minnesota, and how much those guys helped him grow from a boy into a man.  Rondo is probably the closest thing Cousins has ever had to a mentor, and Rondo's attitude is no better than Cousins' is.

Finally, when did the any of KG's teams go through even a fraction of the head office problems that Sacramento are going through right now?  As far as I know never.  The stuff going on with Karl right now is utterly ridiculous - it's probably the worst coaching situation a team has had since the Lakers tested their fate on D'Antoni. 

So KG's circumstances are absolutely completely different to Cousins' circumstances, which makes it completely impossible to determine what KG would have behaved like if the tables were turned.

What if Cousins started his career in Minnesota, with a good coach, a veteran mentor started winning games from the start.  Would things be different?

What if KG started his career in Sacramento, with Karl trying to rat him out constantly, no veteran leadership, and suffering through 6 lottery seasons?  Would things be different?

We don't know, because we can't know, because that's not how things happened. 

All we know is that both guys are very emotional and passionate, both love to jaw at refs and other players, both have gotten into a number of off-court altercations, and both are generally considered dirty players.   

Hell I still remember  after the KG trade we played his team one day and he managed to get into an altercation with Kelly Olynyk of all people - probably the least aggressive/violent player on this team, yet KG still managed to start a fight with him.

You can't just conclude that Cousins is such a worse guy then KG, if KG has never had to suffer through the circumstances that Cousins has been through his first 6 years.  Anybody who tries to argue that KG went through the same things is so clearly biased it's almost sickening - because the two players had career paths that were practically complete polar opposites.

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« Reply #71 on: March 16, 2016, 07:16:30 PM »

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Cousins issues are real but the SAC situation is so screwed up from top to bottom he never had a chance. I'd trade for him in a heartbeat, even though there is a decent chance it'd implode.

A personality fueled implosion is always going to be a lesser risk than an injury one in sports for the most part anyways.

I agree that I would trade for him too but I am curious how much you would give up? What kind of package would you send the Kings?
KG/Kevin Love type package.

Multiple first round picks plus players/prospects that are also highly valued. So both BKN picks plus players potentially. Obviously you bargain to get the best deal possible.

Of course the lottery will determine how much the pick this year is worth, I think I'd still trade it for Boogie if it was the 1. though it'd be hard to pull the trigger. At least then I could keep more talent.
IMO Cousins could be had for a top pick. 1-2 def and 3-5 plus an extra pick and prospect........Honestly, everyone knows they want rid of him and want to start a new.

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« Reply #72 on: March 16, 2016, 09:46:10 PM »

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Don't Cousins and Durant hate each other?
I think getting Cousins here would out a lot of players off coming here as free agents tbh.
Our old friend Kevin Garnett is considered one of the biggest jerks in the nba but him being on a team makes it a winner

Kevin Garnett was a league MVP and was never considered a quitter.

Not true.

Sczerbiak publically criticised KG for not being a good leader, for being too passive, and for not having the balls to take big shots.

Until KG came to Boston and won a title, he was constantly criticised for not being able to carry his teams far enough. 

He was also constantly criticised for his personality and attitude.

It wasn't until he came to Boston and won a title that suddenly everybody's opinion of him changed and he went from being "that guy who can't win / lead" to being "that guy who is a winner / leader". 

Even when he came to Boston, Doc was constantly trying to push him to be more aggressive on offense and to take more shots rather than always deferring to teammates.

As the saying goes, winning changes everything in this league.

IT when he was in Sacramento was looked at as a black hole, a chucker and a borderline team cancer.  Two years on a winning Boston team (with a good coach) and IT is voted an All-Star and is getting respect around the league.

If Cousins was traded to Boston and we made the finals next year (or won a title) then everybody's opinion of him would change and he would go from "crybaby loser" to "passionate winner".

This is hands down the biggest piece of revisionist-history I have ever read on this board.

The Timberwolves made the playoffs for 8 consecutive seasons with Garnett, during that time he made an all rookie team, he was voted to seven all-NBA teams, eight all-defensive teams, won an olympic gold medal, set an NBA record for leading his team in defensive rebounds for 5 consecutive seasons, became the first player in NBA history to be named NBA player of the month for four months in a single season, made 12 consecutive all-star games, became the third player in NBA history to lead his team in all five major statistical categories, was named all star game MVP once, was named league MVP once, and made the Western Conference finals.  All that happened BEFORE Garnett ever made it to the Celtics.

Demarcus Cousins by comparison has never been on a team that's broken the vaunted 30 win barrier and has made two all star games. He was voted a reserve this year, and named as a replacement for the injured Kobe Bryant by the league in 2015.  He holds the NBA record for getting coaches fired in consecutive seasons (5). 


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Kevin Garnett is one of the greatest power forwards of all time. He arguably has one the most infectious positive/winning attitudes in the history of sports, and single handedly changed the culture of this Celtics franchise with his hard work and attitude.

Kevin Garnett successfully fuels his emotions into playing hard and trying his hardest to win every night. Kevin Garnett doesn't/didn't take plays off and cherished every second he was out on the floor.

DeMarcus Cousins is an embarrassment to guys like KG who appreciate every moment they have the chance to play in the NBA.

DMC is Kevin Garnett's ball boy.

Lets see if KG would have been so well behaved if he had to deal with the Kings organisation in it's current state...

KG went through a miserable stretch at Minny.
The two men are completely different because KG still played his heart out, even when they sucked. Cousins has never been any different from the moment he walked out onto the college parquet.
He was a whiney, emotional, pouting, scolding brat at Kentucky, and he's the same brat at Sacto.

To compare the attitudes of the two is just insulting to Kevin Garnett.
It's fine to wanna back up Cousins and say he's in the wrong situation/needs a change of scenery but you can never compare Cousins to KG.

Cousins is a mental midget. KG is one of the mentally strongest players to ever play the game.

KG made the playoffs every single year from 1996/97 to 2003/04 with a great coach in Flip Saunders.

It wasn't until the 2004/05 season (when Flip was replaced by Kevin McHale) that they missed the playoffs, and they finished that season with a .537 win record.

KG suffered only three seasons with a losing record, and in two of those seasons they were still reasonably competitive (0.402, 0.390) so only one true stinker of a season (0.268).

It's not so hard to swallow three bad seasons when you have just spent your first 9 years in the league playing on a competitive and well coached teams.

Cousins hasn't had a single winning season since he's been in the league, nor has he played for really a single good coach.  That's on top of the organisation being an absolute farce.

Comparing what the two players went through is a joke.

KG was happy to sacrifice his game when he came to Boston because he had had so much success already in Minnesota, and was ready to sacrifice for a title. 

The guys had even been on record saying that they never would have worked together if they tried to join earlier in their careers, when their egos were still huge.

Again, it's very different going through 8-9 years of winning and then having to live through 3 years of losing, then going to a new team and going through anther 4-5 years of winning...versus having nothing but losing from the day you enter the league, and playing for nothing but bad coaches on poorly managed teams.

Absolutely no comparison.


Crim, there is no comparison because Kevin Garnett has never taken a single play 'off' in his NBA career. DMC routinely gives up on his team. He dogs it routinely. When things don't go his way on the court, he whines. He gives up, puts his head down, shakes his head when team mates miss a shot or a pass to him. He literally acts like a 12 year old child.

Great players lead by example. The lead. They let their coaches give them guidance and show respect to their coaches so their coaches can lead the team.

This guy doesn't lead anyone. He doesn't have the respect of his team mates. He doesn't have the respect of his coaches.

How can anyone respect a guy that won't respect the basic fundamentals of being a professional basketball player?

The guy is a generational talent. Unfortunately he's a generational brat.
Will he mature as he gets older? It's possible- but he hasn't shown a single thing to make us think that he'll ever change his behavior and it's always someone else's fault.
The coach, the GM, the owner, the organization. But never Cousins.
To compare KG to Cousins in any way is completely misinterpreting KG's passion and fire/hard work/never give up attitude and is manipulating the story of an NBA legend in an attempt to bring credibility or reasoning to DMC's childish, pathetic and blatantly selfish behavior.
It's bull$%*%

Firstly, this argument is become like an infinite loop - nobody seems to listen.

The argument about KG never giving up or taking plays off is partially irrelevant because KG hasn't ever been in the position that Cousins is in right now. 

KG has played 20 seasons in the league (not including this year) and in all that time he has had only two seasons (05/06, 06/07) where his team had a < 0.450 win record. Almost every single team he has played on has been competitive.  The Kings have not once finished with a record above 0.400 since Cousins was drafted into the league. 

KG has also gone on record in the past talking about how much he benefited from the mentoring of veteran Sam Mitchell and coach Flip Saunders in Minnesota, and how much those guys helped him grow from a boy into a man.  Rondo is probably the closest thing Cousins has ever had to a mentor, and Rondo's attitude is no better than Cousins' is.

Finally, when did the any of KG's teams go through even a fraction of the head office problems that Sacramento are going through right now?  As far as I know never.  The stuff going on with Karl right now is utterly ridiculous - it's probably the worst coaching situation a team has had since the Lakers tested their fate on D'Antoni. 

So KG's circumstances are absolutely completely different to Cousins' circumstances, which makes it completely impossible to determine what KG would have behaved like if the tables were turned.

What if Cousins started his career in Minnesota, with a good coach, a veteran mentor started winning games from the start.  Would things be different?

What if KG started his career in Sacramento, with Karl trying to rat him out constantly, no veteran leadership, and suffering through 6 lottery seasons?  Would things be different?

We don't know, because we can't know, because that's not how things happened. 

All we know is that both guys are very emotional and passionate, both love to jaw at refs and other players, both have gotten into a number of off-court altercations, and both are generally considered dirty players.   

Hell I still remember  after the KG trade we played his team one day and he managed to get into an altercation with Kelly Olynyk of all people - probably the least aggressive/violent player on this team, yet KG still managed to start a fight with him.

You can't just conclude that Cousins is such a worse guy then KG, if KG has never had to suffer through the circumstances that Cousins has been through his first 6 years.  Anybody who tries to argue that KG went through the same things is so clearly biased it's almost sickening - because the two players had career paths that were practically complete polar opposites.

No one's saying they went through the same thing.
For some reason Cousins apologists are trying to compare KG mouthing off at big baby or Wally Szerbiack claiming KG was afraid to take the big shots in crunch time as a level of reasoning in some kind of 'what if' scenario to excuse Cousins poor behaviour.
This 'what if KG had to go through this' logic is completely flawed and could be said of any fiesty player in NBA history.
We have evidence in every stage of Cousins' career-with a great coach in Kentucky-to a great coach in Sacto in Malone-that he routinely dogs it and gives up on his team. There is nonevidence to suggest that KG would ever do this. KG has proven himself for his entire career on the court and in the locker room.
DeMarcus has proven that in college he was an entitled child. As a pro he's acted like an entitled child. Even when he had his 'good' coach in Mike Malone, he still got into arguments with him and he still gave up on plays, hung his head and scolded his team mates.

You can't use KG as a comparison because you're right- there is absolutely,  positively ZERO comparison between the mental fortitude and mental toughness/ capacity of these two players.

What if Michael Jordan was drafted by the Kings? Ehat if Marcus Smart or Jimmy Butler or Kevin Durant were drafted there and had all those coaches? Would they behave the same? Would they dog it on their team mates and develop a significant reputation for giving up on plays regularly?
We don't know for certain,  but from their actions, their demeanor and their overall attitudes, we can make a pretty educated guess that they wouldn't be giant pains in the ass to everyone around them or act like entitled punks with 5 different coaches.

There is no point discussing any more because as you say, we are going round in circles. It's a difference of opinion. Some of us believe that he has no right to behave this way, no matter what the team/organizational situation. You believe that his behavior is excusable because he plays for the Kings.

One thing's for sure, trying to drag Kevin Garnett into a DMC debate is disrespectful to one of the all time greats in KG.
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.

Re: Voisin of Sacramento Bee: Cousins must be traded
« Reply #74 on: March 16, 2016, 10:05:09 PM »

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Well, we could sure use Cousins. Doubt KD ever considers us again after tonight so we need to have alternate options.
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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