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Re: Maybe it's time we took the next step.
« Reply #45 on: March 05, 2016, 03:55:20 PM »

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I have a hard time seeing Durant leaving this offseason.  If he did, I wouldn't compare him leaving OKC to Lebron leaving Cleveland, more like Aldridge leaving Portland. 

GSW getting him could be devastating to the league, but GSW also doesn't need Durant.  They are historically good without him.  Durant would just look like a really, really good sidekick on a Championship roster.

Durant and Westbrook together are near championship talent.  If GSW and San Antonio didn't exist, they would be favorites.  Why would you leave a situation like that?  He only leaves if Westbrook goes.  That's not happening this year.  Unless......

A SUPER RISKY/SNEAKY move would be Ainge throwing the Kitchen Sink at OKC for Westbrook in the summer, prior to KD signing.  Not that I would favor this, but something like all the Brooklyn Picks, the Mavs pick, and Marcus Smart...that gets OKC thinking right?

You get Westbroook here with an extension and KD would follow right along.  How does a lineup with IT, Westbrook, KD, Crowder, and Olynyk look offensively?  That team can compete with GSW.

I don't see Westbrook being traded. If anything, if KD does leave, OKC will do whatever it can before trading Westbrook away for young superstar prospects/picks to retain him.

But Durant could also be thinking of going to the Lakers, and Westbrook will just automatically follow him there.

Ainge will have to step up on his game to prevent Durant from going to LA, and instead come to Boston.

The Lakers are very bad this year, what makes you think Druant wants join them?

The fans, Hollywood, weather, and of course they have D'Angelo Russell, Julius Randle, and Jordan Clarkson. They just need at least one superstar and a coach and they would be back to contention.

OKC is already in contention.  Why would Durant/Westbrook leave to risk that?

I see 6 teams as contenders.

Top 3
GSW
Spurs
Cleveland

Top 6 contenders or pretenders/dark horses?
OKC
Clippers
Boston

While OKC matches up well against GSW, they simply do not have the bench or the firepower to win in the playoffs.

If Durant is serious about winning, I would definitely choose Boston over OKC especially if Durant feels like beating GSW is impossible or if they get an early playoff exit, I can see Durant being frustrated enough to leave.

If we added Horford, that would instantaneously make us the 2nd top team in the East.
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Re: Maybe it's time we took the next step.
« Reply #46 on: March 05, 2016, 04:13:36 PM »

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I have a hard time seeing Durant leaving this offseason.  If he did, I wouldn't compare him leaving OKC to Lebron leaving Cleveland, more like Aldridge leaving Portland. 

GSW getting him could be devastating to the league, but GSW also doesn't need Durant.  They are historically good without him.  Durant would just look like a really, really good sidekick on a Championship roster.

Durant and Westbrook together are near championship talent.  If GSW and San Antonio didn't exist, they would be favorites.  Why would you leave a situation like that?  He only leaves if Westbrook goes.  That's not happening this year.  Unless......

A SUPER RISKY/SNEAKY move would be Ainge throwing the Kitchen Sink at OKC for Westbrook in the summer, prior to KD signing.  Not that I would favor this, but something like all the Brooklyn Picks, the Mavs pick, and Marcus Smart...that gets OKC thinking right?

You get Westbroook here with an extension and KD would follow right along.  How does a lineup with IT, Westbrook, KD, Crowder, and Olynyk look offensively?  That team can compete with GSW.

I don't see Westbrook being traded. If anything, if KD does leave, OKC will do whatever it can before trading Westbrook away for young superstar prospects/picks to retain him.

But Durant could also be thinking of going to the Lakers, and Westbrook will just automatically follow him there.

Ainge will have to step up on his game to prevent Durant from going to LA, and instead come to Boston.

The Lakers are very bad this year, what makes you think Druant wants join them?

The fans, Hollywood, weather, and of course they have D'Angelo Russell, Julius Randle, and Jordan Clarkson. They just need at least one superstar and a coach and they would be back to contention.

OKC is already in contention.  Why would Durant/Westbrook leave to risk that?

I see 6 teams as contenders.

Top 3
GSW
Spurs
Cleveland

Top 6 contenders or pretenders/dark horses?
OKC
Clippers
Boston

While OKC matches up well against GSW, they simply do not have the bench or the firepower to win in the playoffs.

If Durant is serious about winning, I would definitely choose Boston over OKC especially if Durant feels like beating GSW is impossible or if they get an early playoff exit, I can see Durant being frustrated enough to leave.

If we added Horford, that would instantaneously make us the 2nd top team in the East.
You see us as better than Toronto?

Re: Maybe it's time we took the next step.
« Reply #47 on: March 05, 2016, 04:17:11 PM »

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Until I hear that KD or anybody is intrigued by coming to Boston not getting my hopes up. We need to have a good showing in the playoffs that'll go a long way.
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Re: Maybe it's time we took the next step.
« Reply #48 on: March 05, 2016, 04:24:44 PM »

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I have a hard time seeing Durant leaving this offseason.  If he did, I wouldn't compare him leaving OKC to Lebron leaving Cleveland, more like Aldridge leaving Portland. 

GSW getting him could be devastating to the league, but GSW also doesn't need Durant.  They are historically good without him.  Durant would just look like a really, really good sidekick on a Championship roster.

Durant and Westbrook together are near championship talent.  If GSW and San Antonio didn't exist, they would be favorites.  Why would you leave a situation like that?  He only leaves if Westbrook goes.  That's not happening this year.  Unless......

A SUPER RISKY/SNEAKY move would be Ainge throwing the Kitchen Sink at OKC for Westbrook in the summer, prior to KD signing.  Not that I would favor this, but something like all the Brooklyn Picks, the Mavs pick, and Marcus Smart...that gets OKC thinking right?

You get Westbroook here with an extension and KD would follow right along.  How does a lineup with IT, Westbrook, KD, Crowder, and Olynyk look offensively?  That team can compete with GSW.

I don't see Westbrook being traded. If anything, if KD does leave, OKC will do whatever it can before trading Westbrook away for young superstar prospects/picks to retain him.

But Durant could also be thinking of going to the Lakers, and Westbrook will just automatically follow him there.

Ainge will have to step up on his game to prevent Durant from going to LA, and instead come to Boston.

The Lakers are very bad this year, what makes you think Druant wants join them?

The fans, Hollywood, weather, and of course they have D'Angelo Russell, Julius Randle, and Jordan Clarkson. They just need at least one superstar and a coach and they would be back to contention.

OKC is already in contention.  Why would Durant/Westbrook leave to risk that?

I see 6 teams as contenders.

Top 3
GSW
Spurs
Cleveland

Top 6 contenders or pretenders/dark horses?
OKC
Clippers
Boston

While OKC matches up well against GSW, they simply do not have the bench or the firepower to win in the playoffs.

If Durant is serious about winning, I would definitely choose Boston over OKC especially if Durant feels like beating GSW is impossible or if they get an early playoff exit, I can see Durant being frustrated enough to leave.

If we added Horford, that would instantaneously make us the 2nd top team in the East.
You see us as better than Toronto?

Toronto has always choked in the playoffs. Until they get past the first round, I'll consider them contenders.

People can say the same for us, but we are a young and upcoming team that is finally meshing cohesively, whereas Raptors have known each other, and have the similar roster for the past few years.

Like I said, Raptors? Don't consider them a threat. I honestly think we could best them in a 7 game series.
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Re: Maybe it's time we took the next step.
« Reply #49 on: March 05, 2016, 04:35:20 PM »

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This offseason has a chance to be epic.  I've long been a believer in the Celtics ability to land top free agents.  Up until recently, we never had cap space.  If you are a prospective free agent star and looking for a new team, you absolutely need to take a meeting with the Celtics.  They have basically everything a free agent should be looking for.

- one of the 3 largest fan bases nationally/fairly large market/East coast ... meaning no shortage of endorsement opportunities.

- Elite ownership

- elite management

- elite coaching

- top 10 team already

- 1 all-star already on the team

- Young team you can grow with

- cap space for two max deals = bring a buddy

- don't have to see golden state until the finals

- prestige franchise

- tons of middling assets that can be used for additional upgrades

What I'm saying is, beyond "It's cold" (overrated) or "they don't already have a superstar", I can't think of any reasons a free agent wouldn't consider us.

Get excited about this, people.  We have room for two max deals.  This is a big deal.  I'm a pretty big pessimist and I can't deny it.   The Pats and Sox don't have trouble luring top names... The Celtics shouldn't have trouble either.   

To me, Durant to Boston seems more real than Ben Simmons to Boston.

Good points, Lar. Something else really sticks out to me though. If Danny gets a meeting with KD, he could tell KD to pick a player, any player, and Danny will go out and try to get him. If Danny's willing to overpay--and I mean really overpay--there's no reason why we couldn't go into next season with Durant and Butler. Would Chicago really say no to Butler for two or three Nets Picks and a young guy or rotation player? Could we, in theory, go into next year with this lineup?

Thomas
Butler
Crowder
Durant
Horford

That's a championship favorite.
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Re: Maybe it's time we took the next step.
« Reply #50 on: March 05, 2016, 07:45:28 PM »

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I was just reading an article where Durant doesn't want to be the guy or want the attention. 

http://hoopshype.com/2016/03/05/nba-a-to-z-kevin-durant-talks-thunder-free-agency-talking-warriors-okc-and-much-more/

He has a bit of KG to him but might also be talking himself into going to Golden State. I don't think Durant is KG that's the thing. He might not be the guy we think he is though.

Re: Maybe it's time we took the next step.
« Reply #51 on: March 05, 2016, 09:56:42 PM »

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I have a hard time seeing Durant leaving this offseason.  If he did, I wouldn't compare him leaving OKC to Lebron leaving Cleveland, more like Aldridge leaving Portland. 

GSW getting him could be devastating to the league, but GSW also doesn't need Durant.  They are historically good without him.  Durant would just look like a really, really good sidekick on a Championship roster.

Durant and Westbrook together are near championship talent.  If GSW and San Antonio didn't exist, they would be favorites.  Why would you leave a situation like that?  He only leaves if Westbrook goes.  That's not happening this year.  Unless......

A SUPER RISKY/SNEAKY move would be Ainge throwing the Kitchen Sink at OKC for Westbrook in the summer, prior to KD signing.  Not that I would favor this, but something like all the Brooklyn Picks, the Mavs pick, and Marcus Smart...that gets OKC thinking right?

You get Westbroook here with an extension and KD would follow right along.  How does a lineup with IT, Westbrook, KD, Crowder, and Olynyk look offensively?  That team can compete with GSW.

I don't see Westbrook being traded. If anything, if KD does leave, OKC will do whatever it can before trading Westbrook away for young superstar prospects/picks to retain him.

But Durant could also be thinking of going to the Lakers, and Westbrook will just automatically follow him there.

Ainge will have to step up on his game to prevent Durant from going to LA, and instead come to Boston.

The Lakers are very bad this year, what makes you think Druant wants join them?

The fans, Hollywood, weather, and of course they have D'Angelo Russell, Julius Randle, and Jordan Clarkson. They just need at least one superstar and a coach and they would be back to contention.

OKC is already in contention.  Why would Durant/Westbrook leave to risk that?

I see 6 teams as contenders.

Top 3
GSW
Spurs
Cleveland

Top 6 contenders or pretenders/dark horses?
OKC
Clippers
Boston

While OKC matches up well against GSW, they simply do not have the bench or the firepower to win in the playoffs.

If Durant is serious about winning, I would definitely choose Boston over OKC especially if Durant feels like beating GSW is impossible or if they get an early playoff exit, I can see Durant being frustrated enough to leave.

If we added Horford, that would instantaneously make us the 2nd top team in the East.

Let's say Durant resigns on a 1-year deal to align his contract status with Westbrook.  They are best friends and together make any team in the NBA an instant contender.  So they want to make this big decision together...

You are the GM of OKC.  You know this is going one of two ways:  they are both staying or they are both leaving.  What do you think is more probable?  If they both wanted to stay, wouldn't Durant resign long-term and get Westbrook to do the same?  Of course he would. You aren't feeling so great about your chances of keeping them on your team.

However, the one advantage OKC has that most if not all other teams will not have:  they can sign both Durant and Westbrook to max deals.  So now you have to compare yourself and your roster to only those teams that have enough cap space to sign both of them at max level.  Chances are that the teams who could afford both are very bad teams.  Durant and Westbrook would make those teams contenders, but as good as OKC?  Maybe not.  You are the GM, and now you are feeling a bit better about your chances of keeping them.

But then you realize that the main reason Durant signed the one year deal is so him and Westbrook could LEAVE together, not stay together.  You have to assume that both are going away.  It is your job then to get maximum value and not let them walk away for nothing.

Do not be surprised if Westbrook is traded this summer or this during the next season, especially if OKC doesn't do much in the playoffs and GSW dominates again next year early on.  And if that is in play...Danny Ainge will be right there.  Trust me.