Marcus Smart: the anti-Curry

[jpotter33]

this is why I laughed at the so called deal to send SMART, CROWDER, AND 2016 BKN pick to Chicago for Butler.

Like I said in that thread, I would not trade Smart for Butler straight up.

Butler is one of the best two way players. Smart only plays one side of the ball.

Ainge is making this trade easy.

Ridiculous overpay. I'd do Crowder and the pick for him, but I wouldn't add Smart. Something like Crowder, Rozier, and the Brooklyn pick sounds about right, or even just another pick.

Look at Butler's stats versus Crowder's stats - extremely comparable with the only major differences being assists (4.3 v 1.9) and points (22.4 v 14.4), and a lot of that can be attributed to Butler taking three more shots and playing five more minutes than Crowder a night. Crowder is even shooting significantly higher percentages across the board, too (other than overall fg%, which is essentially tied).

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&y1=2016&p1=crowdja01&y2=2016&p2=butleji01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

[loco_91]

this is why I laughed at the so called deal to send SMART, CROWDER, AND 2016 BKN pick to Chicago for Butler.

Like I said in that thread, I would not trade Smart for Butler straight up.

Butler is one of the best two way players. Smart only plays one side of the ball.

Ainge is making this trade easy.

Ridiculous overpay. I'd do Crowder and the pick for him, but I wouldn't add Smart. Something like Crowder, Rozier, and the Brooklyn pick sounds about right, or even just another pick.

Look at Butler's stats versus Crowder's stats - extremely comparable with the only major differences being assists (4.3 v 1.9) and points (22.4 v 14.4), and a lot of that can be attributed to Butler taking three more shots and playing five more minutes than Crowder a night. Crowder is even shooting significantly higher percentages across the board, too (other than overall fg%, which is essentially tied).

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&y1=2016&p1=crowdja01&y2=2016&p2=butleji01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

Agreed, this seems exorbitant. You also have to factor in contracts. Crowder is under contract for a year longer than Butler (not counting Butler's player option) at $10m/yr less. I'd argue that Crowder + Smart + $7m cap room is already as good as Butler, so even Crowder + Smart is a slight overpay, and then you add the Bkn pick to boot.

[Csfan1984]

this is why I laughed at the so called deal to send SMART, CROWDER, AND 2016 BKN pick to Chicago for Butler.

Like I said in that thread, I would not trade Smart for Butler straight up.

Butler is one of the best two way players. Smart only plays one side of the ball.

Ainge is making this trade easy.

Ridiculous overpay. I'd do Crowder and the pick for him, but I wouldn't add Smart. Something like Crowder, Rozier, and the Brooklyn pick sounds about right, or even just another pick.

Look at Butler's stats versus Crowder's stats - extremely comparable with the only major differences being assists (4.3 v 1.9) and points (22.4 v 14.4), and a lot of that can be attributed to Butler taking three more shots and playing five more minutes than Crowder a night. Crowder is even shooting significantly higher percentages across the board, too (other than overall fg%, which is essentially tied).

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&y1=2016&p1=crowdja01&y2=2016&p2=butleji01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

Then why even do Crowder based on the #s? Shouldn't it be AB anyways? They have other SFs.

[KeepRondo]

this is why I laughed at the so called deal to send SMART, CROWDER, AND 2016 BKN pick to Chicago for Butler.

Like I said in that thread, I would not trade Smart for Butler straight up.

Butler is one of the best two way players. Smart only plays one side of the ball.

Ainge is making this trade easy.

Ridiculous overpay. I'd do Crowder and the pick for him, but I wouldn't add Smart. Something like Crowder, Rozier, and the Brooklyn pick sounds about right, or even just another pick.

Look at Butler's stats versus Crowder's stats - extremely comparable with the only major differences being assists (4.3 v 1.9) and points (22.4 v 14.4), and a lot of that can be attributed to Butler taking three more shots and playing five more minutes than Crowder a night. Crowder is even shooting significantly higher percentages across the board, too (other than overall fg%, which is essentially tied).

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&y1=2016&p1=crowdja01&y2=2016&p2=butleji01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

was responding to Smart for Butler straight up.

[jambr380]

this is why I laughed at the so called deal to send SMART, CROWDER, AND 2016 BKN pick to Chicago for Butler.

Like I said in that thread, I would not trade Smart for Butler straight up.

Butler is one of the best two way players. Smart only plays one side of the ball.

Ainge is making this trade easy.

Ridiculous overpay. I'd do Crowder and the pick for him, but I wouldn't add Smart. Something like Crowder, Rozier, and the Brooklyn pick sounds about right, or even just another pick.

Look at Butler's stats versus Crowder's stats - extremely comparable with the only major differences being assists (4.3 v 1.9) and points (22.4 v 14.4), and a lot of that can be attributed to Butler taking three more shots and playing five more minutes than Crowder a night. Crowder is even shooting significantly higher percentages across the board, too (other than overall fg%, which is essentially tied).

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&y1=2016&p1=crowdja01&y2=2016&p2=butleji01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

Then why even do Crowder based on the #s? Shouldn't it be AB anyways? They have other SFs.

This is an extremely important point. Crowder could be our best player at one of the biggest bargain contracts in the league (IT being the other); we need to ensure we keep him if we are dealing for another star. Crowder is the kind-of guy that plays up to any occasion. If it's a choice, trade AB over Crowder - easily.

[mctyson]

chilidawg is right -- that's about a fair deal. Most posters here say it's an outrageous overpay, yet literally all of my non-Celtic friends said we weren't offering enough. The truth is probably right in the middle.

It is still absurd to compare the Celtics to GS, though. And let's be honest... no one is slowing down Steph Curry. He does whatever he wants on a nightly basis. That team is primed for several champions, health permitting.

Edit: WOWWW that was perfectly timed. Chef just pulled up from about 40 feet to put OKC to bed. What an absolute monster. We are blessed to be witnesses.

You're not stopping Steph but you can slow him down. I don't think Curry can come out and hit 12-16 3's against this C's team.

In his one game against them this year, he was 6-for-13, and I think 9-21 overall.  That's pretty good.  Klay wasn't playing so they might have got lucky, but Smart wasn't on our bench either.

And people wonder why Danny drafted Terry Rozier...

[mctyson]

also classic Celticsblog in this thread...supposed to be a discussion on how Smart can help the Cs against Curry and it disintegrates into a debate about fake trades involving Jimmy Butler.

[alldaboston]

chilidawg is right -- that's about a fair deal. Most posters here say it's an outrageous overpay, yet literally all of my non-Celtic friends said we weren't offering enough. The truth is probably right in the middle.

It is still absurd to compare the Celtics to GS, though. And let's be honest... no one is slowing down Steph Curry. He does whatever he wants on a nightly basis. That team is primed for several champions, health permitting.

Edit: WOWWW that was perfectly timed. Chef just pulled up from about 40 feet to put OKC to bed. What an absolute monster. We are blessed to be witnesses.

You're not stopping Steph but you can slow him down. I don't think Curry can come out and hit 12-16 3's against this C's team.

In his one game against them this year, he was 6-for-13, and I think 9-21 overall.  That's pretty good.  Klay wasn't playing so they might have got lucky, but Smart wasn't on our bench either.

And people wonder why Danny drafted Terry Rozier...

He was 9/27, with 8 TO

[Ogaju]

Ogaju - A decision of that magnitude has little to do with numbers.

Have you ever thought maybe they should?

[mgent]

I think making Curry tired by relentlessly attacking him on offense is a great idea.

[Ogaju]

I think making Curry tired by relentlessly attacking him on offense is a great idea.

there is no way Curry should not have a shadow. Any coach that plans against Curry without giving him a shadow should be questioned.

[LilRip]

chilidawg is right -- that's about a fair deal. Most posters here say it's an outrageous overpay, yet literally all of my non-Celtic friends said we weren't offering enough. The truth is probably right in the middle.

It is still absurd to compare the Celtics to GS, though. And let's be honest... no one is slowing down Steph Curry. He does whatever he wants on a nightly basis. That team is primed for several champions, health permitting.

Edit: WOWWW that was perfectly timed. Chef just pulled up from about 40 feet to put OKC to bed. What an absolute monster. We are blessed to be witnesses.

You're not stopping Steph but you can slow him down. I don't think Curry can come out and hit 12-16 3's against this C's team.

In his one game against them this year, he was 6-for-13, and I think 9-21 overall.  That's pretty good.  Klay wasn't playing so they might have got lucky, but Smart wasn't on our bench either.

And people wonder why Danny drafted Terry Rozier...

He was 9/27, with 8 TO

TP. Was just about to say this. 9/21 is very different from 9/27 with 8 TO's.

I think we match up well against the Warriors. We're not beating them in a 7-game series (yet!), but 3 years ago, the Warriors weren't beating Lebron's Heat, the Spurs, or the Thunder either. Give it time and I think we'll be giving them real problems, and I think Smart will be at the epicenter of it.

[greece66]

Having (the fully developed version) of a player like Smart is one of the keys to beating GSW.

Having said this: we still need lots of good decisions (and a bit of luck) to reach contender status any time soon.

Moreover, at least for this season -here's to GSW collapsing any time soon!- GSW is close to unbeatable. In the hypothetical scenario we meet them in the Finals two years from now, if their performance is anything close to what they are doing this year, it will be ugly 

I mean, SAS is a great perimeter defense team and we all saw what happened to their game.

[Csfan1984]

I look at it like this, in two years Smart vs Curry in a finals could be equal to Leonard vs LeBron.

[Fafnir]

Wouldn't the Anti-Curry be from the Anti-Matter dimension of Qward and his super power is that compresses the court such that no long distance shooting is possible and its all post play for his teams?

Marcus Smart is good, but he's not that. Plus if he was it'd be to lead an apocalyptic conflict that would lead to contraction of Memphis and the Kings and a massive realignment of the current conferences to make things easier for the writers.