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Re: Marcus Smart: the anti-Curry
« Reply #30 on: February 29, 2016, 12:24:34 PM »

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I think making Curry tired by relentlessly attacking him on offense is a great idea.

there is no way Curry should not have a shadow. Any coach that plans against Curry without giving him a shadow should be questioned.

just trying to bring up the finals last year and how it relates to the OP. I agree, if in the future we somehow make it to the finals and face the GSW, we have Bradley and Smart who are capable of slowing him down.

Bringing back the finals in 2015, Delly did a pretty good job the first 2 games when he was chasing Curry around...I don't know if Delly ran out of gas but Curry did ended up breaking out in the last few games.

As the OP mentioned, Bradley and Smart are two players that are very good at fighting through screens and defending the three. They can alternate depending on say who has more fouls or whoever is just in at that time.

Re: Marcus Smart: the anti-Curry
« Reply #31 on: February 29, 2016, 01:12:52 PM »

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chilidawg is right -- that's about a fair deal. Most posters here say it's an outrageous overpay, yet literally all of my non-Celtic friends said we weren't offering enough. The truth is probably right in the middle.

It is still absurd to compare the Celtics to GS, though. And let's be honest... no one is slowing down Steph Curry. He does whatever he wants on a nightly basis. That team is primed for several champions, health permitting.

Edit: WOWWW that was perfectly timed. Chef just pulled up from about 40 feet to put OKC to bed. What an absolute monster. We are blessed to be witnesses.

You're not stopping Steph but you can slow him down. I don't think Curry can come out and hit 12-16 3's against this C's team.

In his one game against them this year, he was 6-for-13, and I think 9-21 overall.  That's pretty good.  Klay wasn't playing so they might have got lucky, but Smart wasn't on our bench either.

And people wonder why Danny drafted Terry Rozier...

He was 9/27, with 8 TO

TP. Was just about to say this. 9/21 is very different from 9/27 with 8 TO's.

I think we match up well against the Warriors. We're not beating them in a 7-game series (yet!), but 3 years ago, the Warriors weren't beating Lebron's Heat, the Spurs, or the Thunder either. Give it time and I think we'll be giving them real problems, and I think Smart will be at the epicenter of it.

Just to be clear:  Smart didn't play in that game.

So I'm not sure where we are getting the evidence that he is, "The anti-Curry."

'Not saying he wouldn't be helpful against him. 

With the way Steph is shooting this year, I'm not sure how you defend him.  I mean, he's knocking down a ridiculous 46.8% on THREES!!!!!  If you play the arc, he's just going to knock down threes from 6 feet outside of it.   If you body him up, he's going to the free-throw line.

Steph has the occasional bad game because Steph is human and has a bad game.  I don't think anybody -- us included -- has really caused him to have a bad game.
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Re: Marcus Smart: the anti-Curry
« Reply #32 on: February 29, 2016, 01:27:25 PM »

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chilidawg is right -- that's about a fair deal. Most posters here say it's an outrageous overpay, yet literally all of my non-Celtic friends said we weren't offering enough. The truth is probably right in the middle.

It is still absurd to compare the Celtics to GS, though. And let's be honest... no one is slowing down Steph Curry. He does whatever he wants on a nightly basis. That team is primed for several champions, health permitting.

Edit: WOWWW that was perfectly timed. Chef just pulled up from about 40 feet to put OKC to bed. What an absolute monster. We are blessed to be witnesses.

You're not stopping Steph but you can slow him down. I don't think Curry can come out and hit 12-16 3's against this C's team.

In his one game against them this year, he was 6-for-13, and I think 9-21 overall.  That's pretty good.  Klay wasn't playing so they might have got lucky, but Smart wasn't on our bench either.

And people wonder why Danny drafted Terry Rozier...

He was 9/27, with 8 TO

TP. Was just about to say this. 9/21 is very different from 9/27 with 8 TO's.

I think we match up well against the Warriors. We're not beating them in a 7-game series (yet!), but 3 years ago, the Warriors weren't beating Lebron's Heat, the Spurs, or the Thunder either. Give it time and I think we'll be giving them real problems, and I think Smart will be at the epicenter of it.

Just to be clear:  Smart didn't play in that game.

So I'm not sure where we are getting the evidence that he is, "The anti-Curry."

'Not saying he wouldn't be helpful against him. 

With the way Steph is shooting this year, I'm not sure how you defend him.  I mean, he's knocking down a ridiculous 46.8% on THREES!!!!!  If you play the arc, he's just going to knock down threes from 6 feet outside of it.   If you body him up, he's going to the free-throw line.

Steph has the occasional bad game because Steph is human and has a bad game.  I don't think anybody -- us included -- has really caused him to have a bad game.

Do any teams double team him for an entire game, like you might for Shaq or Kareem? His range is the equivalent (or better?) of being 7'3" and having an unguardably good skyhook or unstoppable mass and explosiveness, right?
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Re: Marcus Smart: the anti-Curry
« Reply #33 on: February 29, 2016, 02:51:25 PM »

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chilidawg is right -- that's about a fair deal. Most posters here say it's an outrageous overpay, yet literally all of my non-Celtic friends said we weren't offering enough. The truth is probably right in the middle.

It is still absurd to compare the Celtics to GS, though. And let's be honest... no one is slowing down Steph Curry. He does whatever he wants on a nightly basis. That team is primed for several champions, health permitting.

Edit: WOWWW that was perfectly timed. Chef just pulled up from about 40 feet to put OKC to bed. What an absolute monster. We are blessed to be witnesses.

You're not stopping Steph but you can slow him down. I don't think Curry can come out and hit 12-16 3's against this C's team.

In his one game against them this year, he was 6-for-13, and I think 9-21 overall.  That's pretty good.  Klay wasn't playing so they might have got lucky, but Smart wasn't on our bench either.

And people wonder why Danny drafted Terry Rozier...

He was 9/27, with 8 TO

TP. Was just about to say this. 9/21 is very different from 9/27 with 8 TO's.

I think we match up well against the Warriors. We're not beating them in a 7-game series (yet!), but 3 years ago, the Warriors weren't beating Lebron's Heat, the Spurs, or the Thunder either. Give it time and I think we'll be giving them real problems, and I think Smart will be at the epicenter of it.

Just to be clear:  Smart didn't play in that game.

So I'm not sure where we are getting the evidence that he is, "The anti-Curry."

'Not saying he wouldn't be helpful against him. 

With the way Steph is shooting this year, I'm not sure how you defend him.  I mean, he's knocking down a ridiculous 46.8% on THREES!!!!!  If you play the arc, he's just going to knock down threes from 6 feet outside of it.   If you body him up, he's going to the free-throw line.

Steph has the occasional bad game because Steph is human and has a bad game.  I don't think anybody -- us included -- has really caused him to have a bad game.

Do any teams double team him for an entire game, like you might for Shaq or Kareem? His range is the equivalent (or better?) of being 7'3" and having an unguardably good skyhook or unstoppable mass and explosiveness, right?

I suppose some have tried that, but doubles out in space are much harder to get away with than doubles in the close.   Too much distance to have to recover from after showing.

And GSW's lineup is just too good overall to risk leaving anyone unguarded for long.
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Re: Marcus Smart: the anti-Curry
« Reply #34 on: February 29, 2016, 03:57:43 PM »

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chilidawg is right -- that's about a fair deal. Most posters here say it's an outrageous overpay, yet literally all of my non-Celtic friends said we weren't offering enough. The truth is probably right in the middle.

It is still absurd to compare the Celtics to GS, though. And let's be honest... no one is slowing down Steph Curry. He does whatever he wants on a nightly basis. That team is primed for several champions, health permitting.

Edit: WOWWW that was perfectly timed. Chef just pulled up from about 40 feet to put OKC to bed. What an absolute monster. We are blessed to be witnesses.

You're not stopping Steph but you can slow him down. I don't think Curry can come out and hit 12-16 3's against this C's team.

In his one game against them this year, he was 6-for-13, and I think 9-21 overall.  That's pretty good.  Klay wasn't playing so they might have got lucky, but Smart wasn't on our bench either.

And people wonder why Danny drafted Terry Rozier...

He was 9/27, with 8 TO

TP. Was just about to say this. 9/21 is very different from 9/27 with 8 TO's.

I think we match up well against the Warriors. We're not beating them in a 7-game series (yet!), but 3 years ago, the Warriors weren't beating Lebron's Heat, the Spurs, or the Thunder either. Give it time and I think we'll be giving them real problems, and I think Smart will be at the epicenter of it.

Just to be clear:  Smart didn't play in that game.

So I'm not sure where we are getting the evidence that he is, "The anti-Curry."

'Not saying he wouldn't be helpful against him. 

With the way Steph is shooting this year, I'm not sure how you defend him.  I mean, he's knocking down a ridiculous 46.8% on THREES!!!!!  If you play the arc, he's just going to knock down threes from 6 feet outside of it.   If you body him up, he's going to the free-throw line.

Steph has the occasional bad game because Steph is human and has a bad game.  I don't think anybody -- us included -- has really caused him to have a bad game.

Do any teams double team him for an entire game, like you might for Shaq or Kareem? His range is the equivalent (or better?) of being 7'3" and having an unguardably good skyhook or unstoppable mass and explosiveness, right?

I suppose some have tried that, but doubles out in space are much harder to get away with than doubles in the close.   Too much distance to have to recover from after showing.

And GSW's lineup is just too good overall to risk leaving anyone unguarded for long.

I can totally see that happening a lot, true. But what's the alternative? Playing it "safe" now is helping opponents of theirs lose 91.4 percent of games. How could a constant full-court double-shadow possibly work any worse, lol? Imagine if the rest of the league semi-colluded and all double-guarded him like that, game after game after game, you might have just as little hope of winning the games at first, but eventually it'd drive Curry into a dispirited funk, the Warriors might then only win 80-85% of their games, lol. The sponsors and commissioner and owners wouldn't like it. On the off chance it eventually worked, how could the league possibly rewrite the rulebook to stop it, though?
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Re: Marcus Smart: the anti-Curry
« Reply #35 on: February 29, 2016, 06:12:14 PM »

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chilidawg is right -- that's about a fair deal. Most posters here say it's an outrageous overpay, yet literally all of my non-Celtic friends said we weren't offering enough. The truth is probably right in the middle.

It is still absurd to compare the Celtics to GS, though. And let's be honest... no one is slowing down Steph Curry. He does whatever he wants on a nightly basis. That team is primed for several champions, health permitting.

Edit: WOWWW that was perfectly timed. Chef just pulled up from about 40 feet to put OKC to bed. What an absolute monster. We are blessed to be witnesses.

You're not stopping Steph but you can slow him down. I don't think Curry can come out and hit 12-16 3's against this C's team.

In his one game against them this year, he was 6-for-13, and I think 9-21 overall.  That's pretty good.  Klay wasn't playing so they might have got lucky, but Smart wasn't on our bench either.

And people wonder why Danny drafted Terry Rozier...

He was 9/27, with 8 TO

TP. Was just about to say this. 9/21 is very different from 9/27 with 8 TO's.

I think we match up well against the Warriors. We're not beating them in a 7-game series (yet!), but 3 years ago, the Warriors weren't beating Lebron's Heat, the Spurs, or the Thunder either. Give it time and I think we'll be giving them real problems, and I think Smart will be at the epicenter of it.

Just to be clear:  Smart didn't play in that game.

So I'm not sure where we are getting the evidence that he is, "The anti-Curry."

'Not saying he wouldn't be helpful against him. 

With the way Steph is shooting this year, I'm not sure how you defend him.  I mean, he's knocking down a ridiculous 46.8% on THREES!!!!!  If you play the arc, he's just going to knock down threes from 6 feet outside of it.   If you body him up, he's going to the free-throw line.

Steph has the occasional bad game because Steph is human and has a bad game.  I don't think anybody -- us included -- has really caused him to have a bad game.

Do any teams double team him for an entire game, like you might for Shaq or Kareem? His range is the equivalent (or better?) of being 7'3" and having an unguardably good skyhook or unstoppable mass and explosiveness, right?

I suppose some have tried that, but doubles out in space are much harder to get away with than doubles in the close.   Too much distance to have to recover from after showing.

And GSW's lineup is just too good overall to risk leaving anyone unguarded for long.

I can totally see that happening a lot, true. But what's the alternative? Playing it "safe" now is helping opponents of theirs lose 91.4 percent of games. How could a constant full-court double-shadow possibly work any worse, lol? Imagine if the rest of the league semi-colluded and all double-guarded him like that, game after game after game, you might have just as little hope of winning the games at first, but eventually it'd drive Curry into a dispirited funk, the Warriors might then only win 80-85% of their games, lol. The sponsors and commissioner and owners wouldn't like it. On the off chance it eventually worked, how could the league possibly rewrite the rulebook to stop it, though?

I see ... psychological warfare, eh?

I would anticipate the rule change being something like:  Double teams are no longer allowed outside of the key.   Illegal Defense foul will be called.  One Free Throw awarded plus possession.

LOL.
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Re: Marcus Smart: the anti-Curry
« Reply #36 on: February 29, 2016, 06:17:02 PM »

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chilidawg is right -- that's about a fair deal. Most posters here say it's an outrageous overpay, yet literally all of my non-Celtic friends said we weren't offering enough. The truth is probably right in the middle.

It is still absurd to compare the Celtics to GS, though. And let's be honest... no one is slowing down Steph Curry. He does whatever he wants on a nightly basis. That team is primed for several champions, health permitting.

Edit: WOWWW that was perfectly timed. Chef just pulled up from about 40 feet to put OKC to bed. What an absolute monster. We are blessed to be witnesses.

You're not stopping Steph but you can slow him down. I don't think Curry can come out and hit 12-16 3's against this C's team.

In his one game against them this year, he was 6-for-13, and I think 9-21 overall.  That's pretty good.  Klay wasn't playing so they might have got lucky, but Smart wasn't on our bench either.

And people wonder why Danny drafted Terry Rozier...

He was 9/27, with 8 TO

TP. Was just about to say this. 9/21 is very different from 9/27 with 8 TO's.

I think we match up well against the Warriors. We're not beating them in a 7-game series (yet!), but 3 years ago, the Warriors weren't beating Lebron's Heat, the Spurs, or the Thunder either. Give it time and I think we'll be giving them real problems, and I think Smart will be at the epicenter of it.

Just to be clear:  Smart didn't play in that game.

So I'm not sure where we are getting the evidence that he is, "The anti-Curry."

'Not saying he wouldn't be helpful against him. 

With the way Steph is shooting this year, I'm not sure how you defend him.  I mean, he's knocking down a ridiculous 46.8% on THREES!!!!!  If you play the arc, he's just going to knock down threes from 6 feet outside of it.   If you body him up, he's going to the free-throw line.

Steph has the occasional bad game because Steph is human and has a bad game.  I don't think anybody -- us included -- has really caused him to have a bad game.

Do any teams double team him for an entire game, like you might for Shaq or Kareem? His range is the equivalent (or better?) of being 7'3" and having an unguardably good skyhook or unstoppable mass and explosiveness, right?

I suppose some have tried that, but doubles out in space are much harder to get away with than doubles in the close.   Too much distance to have to recover from after showing.

And GSW's lineup is just too good overall to risk leaving anyone unguarded for long.

I can totally see that happening a lot, true. But what's the alternative? Playing it "safe" now is helping opponents of theirs lose 91.4 percent of games. How could a constant full-court double-shadow possibly work any worse, lol? Imagine if the rest of the league semi-colluded and all double-guarded him like that, game after game after game, you might have just as little hope of winning the games at first, but eventually it'd drive Curry into a dispirited funk, the Warriors might then only win 80-85% of their games, lol. The sponsors and commissioner and owners wouldn't like it. On the off chance it eventually worked, how could the league possibly rewrite the rulebook to stop it, though?

Somebody tried this in college.  Curry scored 0 pts on 3 shots, Davidson won by 30. 

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recap?gameId=283302166

I think everyone can agree that Golden State's supporting cast is better than Davidson's.

Re: Marcus Smart: the anti-Curry
« Reply #37 on: February 29, 2016, 06:37:22 PM »

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chilidawg is right -- that's about a fair deal. Most posters here say it's an outrageous overpay, yet literally all of my non-Celtic friends said we weren't offering enough. The truth is probably right in the middle.

It is still absurd to compare the Celtics to GS, though. And let's be honest... no one is slowing down Steph Curry. He does whatever he wants on a nightly basis. That team is primed for several champions, health permitting.

Edit: WOWWW that was perfectly timed. Chef just pulled up from about 40 feet to put OKC to bed. What an absolute monster. We are blessed to be witnesses.

You're not stopping Steph but you can slow him down. I don't think Curry can come out and hit 12-16 3's against this C's team.

In his one game against them this year, he was 6-for-13, and I think 9-21 overall.  That's pretty good.  Klay wasn't playing so they might have got lucky, but Smart wasn't on our bench either.

And people wonder why Danny drafted Terry Rozier...

He was 9/27, with 8 TO

TP. Was just about to say this. 9/21 is very different from 9/27 with 8 TO's.

I think we match up well against the Warriors. We're not beating them in a 7-game series (yet!), but 3 years ago, the Warriors weren't beating Lebron's Heat, the Spurs, or the Thunder either. Give it time and I think we'll be giving them real problems, and I think Smart will be at the epicenter of it.

Just to be clear:  Smart didn't play in that game.

So I'm not sure where we are getting the evidence that he is, "The anti-Curry."

'Not saying he wouldn't be helpful against him. 

With the way Steph is shooting this year, I'm not sure how you defend him.  I mean, he's knocking down a ridiculous 46.8% on THREES!!!!!  If you play the arc, he's just going to knock down threes from 6 feet outside of it.   If you body him up, he's going to the free-throw line.

Steph has the occasional bad game because Steph is human and has a bad game.  I don't think anybody -- us included -- has really caused him to have a bad game.

Do any teams double team him for an entire game, like you might for Shaq or Kareem? His range is the equivalent (or better?) of being 7'3" and having an unguardably good skyhook or unstoppable mass and explosiveness, right?

I suppose some have tried that, but doubles out in space are much harder to get away with than doubles in the close.   Too much distance to have to recover from after showing.

And GSW's lineup is just too good overall to risk leaving anyone unguarded for long.

I can totally see that happening a lot, true. But what's the alternative? Playing it "safe" now is helping opponents of theirs lose 91.4 percent of games. How could a constant full-court double-shadow possibly work any worse, lol? Imagine if the rest of the league semi-colluded and all double-guarded him like that, game after game after game, you might have just as little hope of winning the games at first, but eventually it'd drive Curry into a dispirited funk, the Warriors might then only win 80-85% of their games, lol. The sponsors and commissioner and owners wouldn't like it. On the off chance it eventually worked, how could the league possibly rewrite the rulebook to stop it, though?

Somebody tried this in college.  Curry scored 0 pts on 3 shots, Davidson won by 30. 

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recap?gameId=283302166

I think everyone can agree that Golden State's supporting cast is better than Davidson's.

I had no idea, that's amazing, haha!

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"We had to play against an NBA player tonight," Patsos explained. "Anybody else ever hold him scoreless? I'm a history major. They're going to remember that we held him scoreless or we lost by 30?"

Nope, sorry kid I already forget, but neither. But you were right!

However: That was the undersized, undertalented, already massively outmatched 2-4 Loyola (MD) Greyhounds. Probably a different kind of story, better odds of working, if a top 5 defense in the country had tried it. Might have had a chance of muting Curry and his teammates. And what better team with which to try it than our very own Celtics, lol?
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Re: Marcus Smart: the anti-Curry
« Reply #38 on: February 29, 2016, 06:37:29 PM »

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chilidawg is right -- that's about a fair deal. Most posters here say it's an outrageous overpay, yet literally all of my non-Celtic friends said we weren't offering enough. The truth is probably right in the middle.

It is still absurd to compare the Celtics to GS, though. And let's be honest... no one is slowing down Steph Curry. He does whatever he wants on a nightly basis. That team is primed for several champions, health permitting.

Edit: WOWWW that was perfectly timed. Chef just pulled up from about 40 feet to put OKC to bed. What an absolute monster. We are blessed to be witnesses.

You're not stopping Steph but you can slow him down. I don't think Curry can come out and hit 12-16 3's against this C's team.

In his one game against them this year, he was 6-for-13, and I think 9-21 overall.  That's pretty good.  Klay wasn't playing so they might have got lucky, but Smart wasn't on our bench either.

And people wonder why Danny drafted Terry Rozier...

He was 9/27, with 8 TO

TP. Was just about to say this. 9/21 is very different from 9/27 with 8 TO's.

I think we match up well against the Warriors. We're not beating them in a 7-game series (yet!), but 3 years ago, the Warriors weren't beating Lebron's Heat, the Spurs, or the Thunder either. Give it time and I think we'll be giving them real problems, and I think Smart will be at the epicenter of it.

Just to be clear:  Smart didn't play in that game.

So I'm not sure where we are getting the evidence that he is, "The anti-Curry."

'Not saying he wouldn't be helpful against him. 

With the way Steph is shooting this year, I'm not sure how you defend him.  I mean, he's knocking down a ridiculous 46.8% on THREES!!!!!  If you play the arc, he's just going to knock down threes from 6 feet outside of it.   If you body him up, he's going to the free-throw line.

Steph has the occasional bad game because Steph is human and has a bad game.  I don't think anybody -- us included -- has really caused him to have a bad game.

Do any teams double team him for an entire game, like you might for Shaq or Kareem? His range is the equivalent (or better?) of being 7'3" and having an unguardably good skyhook or unstoppable mass and explosiveness, right?

I suppose some have tried that, but doubles out in space are much harder to get away with than doubles in the close.   Too much distance to have to recover from after showing.

And GSW's lineup is just too good overall to risk leaving anyone unguarded for long.

I can totally see that happening a lot, true. But what's the alternative? Playing it "safe" now is helping opponents of theirs lose 91.4 percent of games. How could a constant full-court double-shadow possibly work any worse, lol? Imagine if the rest of the league semi-colluded and all double-guarded him like that, game after game after game, you might have just as little hope of winning the games at first, but eventually it'd drive Curry into a dispirited funk, the Warriors might then only win 80-85% of their games, lol. The sponsors and commissioner and owners wouldn't like it. On the off chance it eventually worked, how could the league possibly rewrite the rulebook to stop it, though?

Somebody tried this in college.  Curry scored 0 pts on 3 shots, Davidson won by 30. 

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recap?gameId=283302166

I think everyone can agree that Golden State's supporting cast is better than Davidson's.

Lol, TP. Steph is too good a passer to just constantly double him behind the 3pt line. You have to just play really good, textbook help defense and force him to hit difficult shots. Some games he's going to do that and you're just going to lose those games, especially if you don't have KD who can go 7-11 from deep himself. But if you don't give him any easy ones, he'll average more like 37% than 47% on 3's, and maybe you can take them to five or six games.

Re: Marcus Smart: the anti-Curry
« Reply #39 on: February 29, 2016, 08:27:32 PM »

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If double-covering Curry was like giving his team a power play, makes me wonder if a team in the NHL ever tested that out against peak Gretzky, to see if playing shorthanded against the Oilers with him neutralized could result in fewer goals against than full strength against the Oilers with him.
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Re: Marcus Smart: the anti-Curry
« Reply #40 on: February 29, 2016, 10:19:18 PM »

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chilidawg is right -- that's about a fair deal. Most posters here say it's an outrageous overpay, yet literally all of my non-Celtic friends said we weren't offering enough. The truth is probably right in the middle.

It is still absurd to compare the Celtics to GS, though. And let's be honest... no one is slowing down Steph Curry. He does whatever he wants on a nightly basis. That team is primed for several champions, health permitting.

Edit: WOWWW that was perfectly timed. Chef just pulled up from about 40 feet to put OKC to bed. What an absolute monster. We are blessed to be witnesses.

You're not stopping Steph but you can slow him down. I don't think Curry can come out and hit 12-16 3's against this C's team.

In his one game against them this year, he was 6-for-13, and I think 9-21 overall.  That's pretty good.  Klay wasn't playing so they might have got lucky, but Smart wasn't on our bench either.

And people wonder why Danny drafted Terry Rozier...

He was 9/27, with 8 TO

TP. Was just about to say this. 9/21 is very different from 9/27 with 8 TO's.

I think we match up well against the Warriors. We're not beating them in a 7-game series (yet!), but 3 years ago, the Warriors weren't beating Lebron's Heat, the Spurs, or the Thunder either. Give it time and I think we'll be giving them real problems, and I think Smart will be at the epicenter of it.

Just to be clear:  Smart didn't play in that game.

So I'm not sure where we are getting the evidence that he is, "The anti-Curry."

'Not saying he wouldn't be helpful against him. 

With the way Steph is shooting this year, I'm not sure how you defend him.  I mean, he's knocking down a ridiculous 46.8% on THREES!!!!!  If you play the arc, he's just going to knock down threes from 6 feet outside of it.   If you body him up, he's going to the free-throw line.

Steph has the occasional bad game because Steph is human and has a bad game.  I don't think anybody -- us included -- has really caused him to have a bad game.

Do any teams double team him for an entire game, like you might for Shaq or Kareem? His range is the equivalent (or better?) of being 7'3" and having an unguardably good skyhook or unstoppable mass and explosiveness, right?

I suppose some have tried that, but doubles out in space are much harder to get away with than doubles in the close.   Too much distance to have to recover from after showing.

And GSW's lineup is just too good overall to risk leaving anyone unguarded for long.

I can totally see that happening a lot, true. But what's the alternative? Playing it "safe" now is helping opponents of theirs lose 91.4 percent of games. How could a constant full-court double-shadow possibly work any worse, lol? Imagine if the rest of the league semi-colluded and all double-guarded him like that, game after game after game, you might have just as little hope of winning the games at first, but eventually it'd drive Curry into a dispirited funk, the Warriors might then only win 80-85% of their games, lol. The sponsors and commissioner and owners wouldn't like it. On the off chance it eventually worked, how could the league possibly rewrite the rulebook to stop it, though?

Somebody tried this in college.  Curry scored 0 pts on 3 shots, Davidson won by 30. 

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recap?gameId=283302166

I think everyone can agree that Golden State's supporting cast is better than Davidson's.
Curry gets doubled often and GS runs a very effective play against it.

If the other team steps out on the pick and doubles Curry, he drops the ball to Dramond just below the top of the three point line. From there GS is playing 4 v 3 with their most versatile player with the ball.

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Re: Marcus Smart: the anti-Curry
« Reply #41 on: March 01, 2016, 12:11:17 AM »

Offline MickaelPietrus

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No one can stop Steph Curry. No one. But if someone could, it would probably be Marcus Smart

Re: Marcus Smart: the anti-Curry
« Reply #42 on: March 01, 2016, 12:15:32 AM »

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I actually think Bradley probably matches up better with Curry then Smart does.

Curry isn't a very big or physical player, he's all finesse.  Fancy ball handling, changing directions, running off a million screens.  I actually feel that Bradley (with his lateral quickness) might actually hassle Curry more than Smart.

The key for us is bring able to throw defense at him for 48 minutes.  We have the ability to make sure that Curry is always seeing either Bradley or Smart every minute that he's on the court, and that is what makes this team so dangerous defensively.  As an opposing guard, the defense never lets up.

The challenge is what to do with Thomas.  He can't defend Curry and he sure as hell can't defend Thompson or Barnes, so what do you do with IT if you have AB/Smart on Curry?

What I'd like to see is EVERY time Curry gets the ball, run a full court press on him with either Bradley or Smart (whichever is in at the time).  Force him to expend energy on every single possession and give the ball up.  Then once the ball comes over half court, have that guy switch back on to Thompson/Barnes and have IT switch over on to Curry.

Then on the other end of the court, aggressive dribble penetration and tons of running off screens and ball movement to force Curry to run around on Defense.

Just try to force him to be running constantly, and try to drain him.  It's not going to be easy, but I feel like the only way you have a chance against Curry is to make him expend all of his energy OUTSIDE of the half court offense, in order to hopefully reduce his effectiveness once he is in the half court offense. 

Re: Marcus Smart: the anti-Curry
« Reply #43 on: March 01, 2016, 12:30:05 AM »

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No one can stop Steph Curry. No one. But if someone could, it would probably be Marcus Smart

Marcus would just get called for more fouls. He already has, well, not the greatest reputation with referees. I'd imagine it'd only get worse when he's guarding a superstar, an MVP like Curry.
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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