Danny Ainge on Toucher and Rich (Potential "Big Trade" Discussed)

[rondohondo]

Celts17pride on RealGm had a good point about the Bulls:

IMO, it was Butler. Bfb hinted at it last night. Probably backed out when they couldn't get the Kings first round pick for Gasol. Had the Bulls gotten that trade to go through (Koufos, Mclemore, and pick), then they go full tank and trade Butler. They would have entered this year's draft with as many as 3 lottery picks.


http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1428314&p=46028442#p46028442

Don't get why they would trade Butler. He was playing at an MVP level this year, is signed long term , and is still pretty young .

To me he would be one of the players in the league who is off limits for their current team .

[Smartacus]

Gasol isn't a superstar, and he's out for the year. Makes no sense to trade for him now instead of waiting until the summer. Griffin was rumored, reported, wouldn't have been a surprise. It was Butler. Apparently he deleted a goodbye-to-Chicago tweet the day before the deadline, too. What would this year's lineup have been if we had only sent out picks and pure filler for Butler? Could we have moved Crowder to PF, started Butler at SF? Isaiah, Bradley/Smart, Butler, Crowder, Sully/Amir/Kelly?

Ugh, in a parallel universe, Butler is a Celtic and today talk radio would be full of quips about Stevens getting to "coach Butler again"...maybe that'll just have to wait until June.

Gasol isn't a superstar? Former DPOY with the a ground based game that is sure to age well, virtually the best passing big man in the league.

Stealing this from a recent Realgm thread titled "The NBA Unicorn - The Stretch Big Index" http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1428353 in it poster Delong2 created a statistical index weighing...

- Defensive Prowess (Blocking ability, defensive rebounding, etc.)
- Shooting Ability (3 point shooting --> mid range shots --> ft's)
- Offensive Generation (Ability to generate points for self and team mates)

Marc Gasol graded out highest by a massive margin over the guys you'd expect to be on the list. Yes he's done for the year but he's locked up through 2019. Danny was making comments during the pre trade deadline process even though we're in 3rd place we're only about 5 games out of 7th. Agree that it sounds like it was probably Butler but if he had the opportunity to trade for Gasol he'd have to take it.

[Dino Pitino]

Gasol isn't a superstar, and he's out for the year. Makes no sense to trade for him now instead of waiting until the summer. Griffin was rumored, reported, wouldn't have been a surprise. It was Butler. Apparently he deleted a goodbye-to-Chicago tweet the day before the deadline, too. What would this year's lineup have been if we had only sent out picks and pure filler for Butler? Could we have moved Crowder to PF, started Butler at SF? Isaiah, Bradley/Smart, Butler, Crowder, Sully/Amir/Kelly?

Ugh, in a parallel universe, Butler is a Celtic and today talk radio would be full of quips about Stevens getting to "coach Butler again"...maybe that'll just have to wait until June.

Gasol isn't a superstar? Former DPOY with the a ground based game that is sure to age well, virtually the best passing big man in the league.

Stealing this from a recent Realgm thread titled "The NBA Unicorn - The Stretch Big Index" http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1428353 in it poster Delong2 created a statistical index weighing...

- Defensive Prowess (Blocking ability, defensive rebounding, etc.)
- Shooting Ability (3 point shooting --> mid range shots --> ft's)
- Offensive Generation (Ability to generate points for self and team mates)

Marc Gasol graded out highest by a massive margin over the guys you'd expect to be on the list. Yes he's done for the year but he's locked up through 2019. Danny was making comments during the pre trade deadline process even though we're in 3rd place we're only about 5 games out of 7th. Agree that it sounds like it was probably Butler but if he had the opportunity to trade for Gasol he'd have to take it.

Fair enough, you're right that a healthy Gasol has a superstar-like impact. But he's also 31 (nearly 32 by the time he plays again, now with a questionable foot) and Ainge said that he wouldn't trade the Nets pick for a 30-year-old, and Memphis would be demanding that Nets pick and more, especially given yesterday's market.

[Smartacus]

Gasol isn't a superstar, and he's out for the year. Makes no sense to trade for him now instead of waiting until the summer. Griffin was rumored, reported, wouldn't have been a surprise. It was Butler. Apparently he deleted a goodbye-to-Chicago tweet the day before the deadline, too. What would this year's lineup have been if we had only sent out picks and pure filler for Butler? Could we have moved Crowder to PF, started Butler at SF? Isaiah, Bradley/Smart, Butler, Crowder, Sully/Amir/Kelly?

Ugh, in a parallel universe, Butler is a Celtic and today talk radio would be full of quips about Stevens getting to "coach Butler again"...maybe that'll just have to wait until June.

Gasol isn't a superstar? Former DPOY with the a ground based game that is sure to age well, virtually the best passing big man in the league.

Stealing this from a recent Realgm thread titled "The NBA Unicorn - The Stretch Big Index" http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1428353 in it poster Delong2 created a statistical index weighing...

- Defensive Prowess (Blocking ability, defensive rebounding, etc.)
- Shooting Ability (3 point shooting --> mid range shots --> ft's)
- Offensive Generation (Ability to generate points for self and team mates)

Marc Gasol graded out highest by a massive margin over the guys you'd expect to be on the list. Yes he's done for the year but he's locked up through 2019. Danny was making comments during the pre trade deadline process even though we're in 3rd place we're only about 5 games out of 7th. Agree that it sounds like it was probably Butler but if he had the opportunity to trade for Gasol he'd have to take it.

Fair enough, you're right that a healthy Gasol has a superstar-like impact. But he's also 31 (nearly 32 by the time he plays again, now with a questionable foot) and Ainge said that he wouldn't trade the Nets pick for a 30-year-old, and Memphis would be demanding that Nets pick and more, especially given yesterday's market.

Fair points as well that I conveniently kept out of my write up.

As of yesterday I would have traded the Nets pick for Gasol since we don't know if it's 1st or 7th. If I knew right now that it was Simmons or Ingram I'd definitely have to reevaluate.

[byennie]

Oops dupe

[byennie]

As usual, I think Danny is going to look like the smart one this summer in Chicago, if you believe the Butler theory.

How disgruntled will Butler be this offseason after the Bulls lose 45-50 games, Gasol opts out, Noah is gone, and Rose is still on the roster for $21M? They'll have no center and a core that relies heavily on Mirotic, McDermott and Portis - all nice enough prospects but the players Butler wants to spend his prime building around? There's no way that team contends with Cleveland, Boston, Toronto unless they sign a max player... and even then they'll have a ton of holes to fill with no future at the PG & center positions.

All of a sudden Boston will be offering cap space and future picks... something less than what could have been on the table just a few days ago.

[Monkhouse]

As usual, I think Danny is going to look like the smart one this summer in Chicago, if you believe the Butler theory.

How disgruntled will Butler be this offseason after the Bulls lose 45-50 games, Gasol opts out, Noah is gone, and Rose is still on the roster for $21M? They'll have no center and a core that relies heavily on Mirotic, McDermott and Portis - all nice enough prospects but the players Butler wants to spend his prime building around? There's no way that team contends with Cleveland, Boston, Toronto unless they sign a max player... and even then they'll have a ton of holes to fill with no future at the PG & center positions.

Hoopshype has their salary rank at top 7.

That is with Gasol included, but their cap space isn't looking too good at  $73,486,594.

[Donoghus]

As usual, I think Danny is going to look like the smart one this summer in Chicago, if you believe the Butler theory.

How disgruntled will Butler be this offseason after the Bulls lose 45-50 games, Gasol opts out, Noah is gone, and Rose is still on the roster for $21M? They'll have no center and a core that relies heavily on Mirotic, McDermott and Portis - all nice enough prospects but the players Butler wants to spend his prime building around? There's no way that team contends with Cleveland, Boston, Toronto unless they sign a max player... and even then they'll have a ton of holes to fill with no future at the PG & center positions.

All of a sudden Boston will be offering cap space and future picks... something less than what could have been on the table just a few days ago.

Well, the organization is also under a bit of a delusional fantasy that free agents will want to go to Chicago because "they've made the playoffs 7 years in a row".

[Monkhouse]

As usual, I think Danny is going to look like the smart one this summer in Chicago, if you believe the Butler theory.

How disgruntled will Butler be this offseason after the Bulls lose 45-50 games, Gasol opts out, Noah is gone, and Rose is still on the roster for $21M? They'll have no center and a core that relies heavily on Mirotic, McDermott and Portis - all nice enough prospects but the players Butler wants to spend his prime building around? There's no way that team contends with Cleveland, Boston, Toronto unless they sign a max player... and even then they'll have a ton of holes to fill with no future at the PG & center positions.

All of a sudden Boston will be offering cap space and future picks... something less than what could have been on the table just a few days ago.

Well, the organization is also under a bit of a delusional fantasy that free agents will want to go to Chicago because "they've made the playoffs 7 years in a row".

Donoghus from your personal perspective, if it was for indeed Butler, what do you think the offer ended up being?

[mctyson]

Danny is on record saying that the 2016 Nets pick would not be dealt for anyone 30+, which probably means that it would only be on the table for those 27 and younger on long term deals.  Kaufman then reports that the proposed deal was NOT for anyone rumored in the media over the past 2 weeks.

There are only a handful of guys who could be traded from their current teams that fit this category.  Here is my speculation:

Jimmy Butler (likely)
James Harden (less likely)
Gordon Hayward (not really worth that pick)

and here is my major out-of-left-field speculation:  Anthony Davis

[mctyson]

Gasol isn't a superstar?

He is 31 years old. It wasn't him.

[greenrunsdeep41]

As usual, I think Danny is going to look like the smart one this summer in Chicago, if you believe the Butler theory.

How disgruntled will Butler be this offseason after the Bulls lose 45-50 games, Gasol opts out, Noah is gone, and Rose is still on the roster for $21M? They'll have no center and a core that relies heavily on Mirotic, McDermott and Portis - all nice enough prospects but the players Butler wants to spend his prime building around? There's no way that team contends with Cleveland, Boston, Toronto unless they sign a max player... and even then they'll have a ton of holes to fill with no future at the PG & center positions.

All of a sudden Boston will be offering cap space and future picks... something less than what could have been on the table just a few days ago.

Well, the organization is also under a bit of a delusional fantasy that free agents will want to go to Chicago because "they've made the playoffs 7 years in a row".

I agree with all this. But more then anything im looking forward to this pic getting us a number 1 overall and us landing Evan Turner on steriods (Simmons). Then all these other teams wishing they had the new face of the NBA. (and yes i know the odds)

[Donoghus]

As usual, I think Danny is going to look like the smart one this summer in Chicago, if you believe the Butler theory.

How disgruntled will Butler be this offseason after the Bulls lose 45-50 games, Gasol opts out, Noah is gone, and Rose is still on the roster for $21M? They'll have no center and a core that relies heavily on Mirotic, McDermott and Portis - all nice enough prospects but the players Butler wants to spend his prime building around? There's no way that team contends with Cleveland, Boston, Toronto unless they sign a max player... and even then they'll have a ton of holes to fill with no future at the PG & center positions.

All of a sudden Boston will be offering cap space and future picks... something less than what could have been on the table just a few days ago.

Well, the organization is also under a bit of a delusional fantasy that free agents will want to go to Chicago because "they've made the playoffs 7 years in a row".

Donoghus from your personal perspective, if it was for indeed Butler, what do you think the offer ended up being?

 

Oh man, I don't know.  Prob some insane combo involving BKN picks, Bradley, Olynyk, and Crowder

[sofutomygaha]

I don't think that the creator's goal with this index was to create a catch-all proxy for how valuable or how much of a superstar the player is. If he did, then the glib feedback he got back is about as well justified as the list itself. Furthermore, if the construction of the index is as arbitrary as the lines he decided to draw delineating "tiers," than I have zero confidence in it. There is a continuum in that index that suggests no tiers except for a singular tier for Marc Gasol all by himself.

I think that this is, more than anything, a table of weighted statistical similarity to Marc Gasol. On that measure, he's absolutely the bee's knees.

[sofutomygaha]

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