Woj: No one wants Love more than Ainge

[jpotter33]

Boy, actually look at how close Kelly's and Love's per 36 numbers are. Granted, these aren't always necessarily the best gauges, but in Kelly's case I think he's pretty consistently put up these types of numbers, while only getting better. This is crazy. Outside of rebounds, Kelly looks to have better overall per 36 numbers than Love. This makes me question if a Love trade is worth the haul it'll take to get him, especially with KO putting up nearly identical numbers.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/olynyke01.html#per_minute::none

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/loveke01.html#per_minute::none

It'd really depend on how much better we think Love will perform in a more primary role and better situation. Is he closer to the Minnesota Love or the Cleveland Love in our system. I think it's the former of the two, but I'm unsure of how close.

[Csfan1984]

Been saying it a while Crowder, AB and JJ + Dallas 1st for Love. Cavs would better match up with Warriors. C's finish off year with Tuner, Hunter and Young playing SF.
IT, Smart, Turner, Love, AJ

Offseason
-Nets pick take Ingram.
-Trade C's 2016 1st, Philly 2nd, and Nets 2017 for Noel.
IT, Smart, Ingram, Love, Noel

Correct me if I'm wrong but technically speaking I don't think that works under the CBA because the Celtics don't have the Nets pick in 2017. They can swap picks with the Nets but they don't own it so it's still technically the Celtics pick, and the Celtics can't trade consecutive picks. This works if you make it the 2018 Nets pick though!

We can trade consecutive picks because we have other 1st rounders to make up for it. Correct me if wrong.

But we can't trade our own consecutive picks. He's proposing we trade the 2017 Nets pick which we technically don't have. We can swap picks with the Nets but we don't have their pick that year along with ours. That technically is the Celtics 2017 pick. Since the proposed trade involves the 2016 Celtics pick, the Celtics can't make the deal involving consecutive picks.

I'm fairly certain we can trade our own consecutive picks as long as we have a confirmed pick in every other year. We just can't go two straight years without having any first round pick at all. That's how I thought it was anyways.

You can loop hole it by swap rights via other first. So all you need is to have a first round pick on draft night. Also there is a reason I said off season so C's can select the pick. Then trade the players rights.

[Casperian]

*sigh*

[ScoobyDoo]

Sullinger, Lee, Jerebko and Draft considerations (not Brooklyn's picks)

If the Cavs are looking to move Love it's because:
A) there are chemistry issues as well as on the court basketball fit issues with Love. 
B) They'd like cap space to go after a better center option than Mosgov - Lee's expiring gives them that. Whiteside anybody...
C) Sully is a very good fit for them - can play the 4 and 5 and would work well alongside Thompson.

We don't need to buy high here and overpay. I wouldn't give them Crowder or Amir or Bradley, all of whom would make them that much tougher to beat.

I give them the above offer and happily walk away if they don't want it.

Id' be very comfortable moving ahead with our current team:
* Minus David Lee and poosibly Sullinger
* Adding a top three pick, hopefully top two and either Simmons or Ingram.
* Possibly offering Max contracts to DeMar DeRozen and Hassan Whiteside (Maybe?)
* Continue to develop the team internally

DeMar DeRozen, a high draft pick and adding even a marginally better interior rim protector to the rotation (Dallas pick, our own pick this year?) would do wonders for this team.

We don't need to over pay for Love.

Amir / Zeller / Draft pick rim protector
Love / KO / Mickey     
Crowder / (Simmons, Ingram, Bender or Brown?) /Young
Bradley / Turner / Hunter
IT / Smart / Rozier

I'm good to go

[j804]

Sullinger, Lee, Jerebko and Draft considerations (not Brooklyn's picks)

If the Cavs are looking to move Love it's because:
A) there are chemistry issues as well as on the court basketball fit issues with Love. 
B) They'd like cap space to go after a better center option than Mosgov - Lee's expiring gives them that. Whiteside anybody...
C) Sully is a very good fit for them - can play the 4 and 5 and would work well alongside Thompson.

We don't need to buy high here and overpay. I wouldn't give them Crowder or Amir or Bradley, all of whom would make them that much tougher to beat.

I give them the above offer and happily walk away if they don't want it.

Id' be very comfortable moving ahead with our current team:
* Minus David Lee and poosibly Sullinger
* Adding a top three pick, hopefully top two and either Simmons or Ingram.
* Possibly offering Max contracts to DeMar DeRozen and Hassan Whiteside (Maybe?)
* Continue to develop the team internally

DeMar DeRozen, a high draft pick and adding even a marginally better interior rim protector to the rotation (Dallas pick, our own pick this year?) would do wonders for this team.

We don't need to over pay for Love.

Amir / Zeller / Draft pick rim protector
Love / KO / Mickey     
Crowder / (Simmons, Ingram, Bender or Brown?) /Young
Bradley / Turner / Hunter
IT / Smart / Rozier

I'm good to go

Billy King isn't running the Cavs it's LeBron but still

Lol

[ScoobyDoo]

j804 - Comment understood and noted. And I agree with your comment. In other words, if it's not an absolute sweetheart deal for me, I'm not doing it for Love. I'm not trading my heart and soul (Crowder). I'm not trading Bradley (he's incredible value for his output and also Celtic heart and Soul). Amir Johnson should retire a Celtic, perfect Vet for this team. 

I just don't think Love is worth it and therefore I'd be very happy to walk away from the deal and not look back if Cleveland refused it, which they likely would.

I really think this team is one Max signing (DeRozen?), one blue chip draft pick (Brooklyn's this year) and possibly one more relatively significant free agent signing away form serious contention.

Love is also a sieve on defense, we'd have to cover his ass all night, every night...

I get the allure and would do it for the right, low price - but nothing more.       

[j804]

j804 - Comment understood and noted. And I agree with your comment. In other words, if it's not an absolute sweetheart deal for me, I'm not doing it for Love. I'm not trading my heart and soul (Crowder). I'm not trading Bradley (he's incredible value for his output and also Celtic heart and Soul). Amir Johnson should retire a Celtic, perfect Vet for this team. 

I just don't think Love is worth it and therefore I'd be very happy to walk away from the deal and not look back if Cleveland refused it, which they likely would.

I really think this team is one Max signing (DeRozen?), one blue chip draft pick (Brooklyn's this year) and possibly one more relatively significant free agent signing away form serious contention.

Love is also a sieve on defense, we'd have to cover his ass all night, every night...

I get the allure and would do it for the right, low price - but nothing more.       

Agree with you fully we've been patient in the rebuild not worth overpaying for him especially what we've seen of him this year. I wont lie I wanted him bad last year but now not so much.

[D Dub]

Sullinger, Lee, Jerebko and Draft considerations (not Brooklyn's picks)

If the Cavs are looking to move Love it's because:
A) there are chemistry issues as well as on the court basketball fit issues with Love. 
B) They'd like cap space to go after a better center option than Mosgov - Lee's expiring gives them that. Whiteside anybody...
C) Sully is a very good fit for them - can play the 4 and 5 and would work well alongside Thompson.

The Cavs want another wing so they can play small.  That means Lebron plays 4, Thompson 5.

Bradley, Amir, Young and a late first.

[Diggles]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/the-vertical-podcast-with-woj--clippers-guard-j-j--redick-142520273.html

50:55 mark Woj and Mannix talk about the Celtics.

Mannix: I think it's too early, but Crowder is someone Griffin would salivate over. I'm not saying I wouldn't trade Crowder for Love, but I wouldn't give much more.

Would you say PHX would love to get out under Morris Contract?  So a David Lee for him would work right?


What about Cleveland taking on Morris and Chandler.  Chandler is 13 million over 4 years.   (OUCH)   But maybe our Brooklyn pick (top 2 protected)  would be enough, along with another first.   

Basically we give up Lee, 2 Firsts for Love.   Maybe add a 2nd too.   I don't think its enough, but if Cleveland is under pressure to win and build they still have a trade exception to use.   Chandler is still a solid Center/Defender for maybe has two years left.   Hes like a poor mans /Deandre Jordan... Lob city.   While Morris can space the floor at PF.   Call me crazy, but I'd do it from Bostons side of it.   Suns would.... How many picks would it take for Cleveland to bite.  Angie was trying to move up with giving up 4....   

[CelticSince83]

1.  The Cavs don't want picks.  They are totally in win now mode.  They wouldn't even trade Love for all 3 Nets picks.

2.  Given that, a trade for Love would be something like Bradley, Crowder, KO and filler for Love, Shumpert and filler.

3.  Love is the best player is the deal but is he good enough to be the best player on a title contender?

4.  The best deal for Boston is a multi-team deal.  Nets send Thaddeus Young and Brooke Lopez to Cleveland.  Love goes to Boston.  KO, Varejo and Mozgov go the Nets and we give them back their 2017 and 2018 picks.

Mike

Thank God.  People on here totally ignore point #1.  Don't think they want to trade for prospects and draft picks that won't be developed until LeBron is out of the league.  This is the entire reason they flipped Wiggins and Bennet for Love. 

[colincb]

This deal works in the trade machine and makes some sense Crowder, Sully, Jerebko, Turner + a 2016 mid-first for Love, Cunningham, Jefferson (both fillers to create roster space)

Cavs get Crowder to play SF and flip LBJ between the 3 and 4. Sully replaces some of Love's rebounding and upgrades Mosgov. In this market Sully's probably going to get overpaid a lot and we MAY not be in a position to pay it and maintain flexibility. CAVs OTOH are over the cap. so it's a just a matter of tax to them and Gilbert's loaded anyhow. In Jerebko and Turner the Cavs also get a tryout and if they don't work out, the Cavs get some substantial cap+tax savings next summer,

Cs get Love who is being misused in CLE's offense and probably doesn't fit. Put Mosgov and Love down low and Kyrie and LBJ have as lot less room to drive in around the basket.

Go back and look at Love's numbers before they put him out on the arc and his offensive numbers are clearly superior and he's shooting a much higher % of his shots near the basket. In CLE he shoots 42.1% of his shots beyond the arc vs 23.6% in MIN. That's a 78% increase, It's a a different game and it affects how much he gets to the line, his TS%, and his rebounding. He's just not the same guy. 

His last 3 healthy seasons in MIN he average a 25.5 PER vs an 18.8 PER in CLE. His defense is sub-par, but not Bargnani-class. Love has a career defensive rating of 105 and 104 is average (or median?) the last I looked. Love's simply in the wrong offensive system and would be worth the above package.

[makaveli]

I am not that big on love, he is a guy that couldn't find his place under the sun, with one if the best players to ever play the game. It was a transition year, i tought he would be better this year with kyre out. But seriously , how far away are we from competing in the east? Imho we are a 13ppg .450fg marcus smar away from causing big trouble in the east, with only the cavs team to be afraid of.

[MSceltic]

I have really soured on Love, I don't want to give up crowder or smart for anything right now. I would love to add a Gallo or Hayward at the deadline, but smart/crowder/BKN picks are untouchable to me.

[LilRip]

I think people really need to look past the 'what-have-you-done-for-me-lately' style of thinking. I remember a month ago some people on here saying how terrible Nerlens Noel has become and how much his numbers have regressed and so on and so forth. And then Sixers trade for Ish Smith and all of a sudden, Noel is playing much better.

I'm not a fan of Love (never really wanted him all that much, even before he signed/was traded to Cleveland) but I think Love would flourish on this team and he'd immediately become our best player. We'd be extremely thin at the 3 spot though, but Love gives us a cornerstone we can build around.

That said, I really don't see a Love trade happening.

[jmen788]

The question is why would we get Love... to be the #1 option/star on the team? If so, not sure I agree, but that's more understandable...

If we were to get Love so he'd be "the first shoe to drop" to get other stars, then I disagree completely... because after the LeBron mess I am not sure Love would cause other stars to wanna play here with him/us...