Zach Lowe mentions possibility of Utah blowing it up at deadline

[BitterJim]

I think I would trade the Nets pick for Favors or Hayward if it was top two or top 3 protected. I doubt anyone outside of Ingram, Simmons or potentially Bender will be better than either of those two.

I see a deal like this as being considerably more likely in the offseason though.

just curious, but how exactly does this work? i mean, if the nets draft pick falls to #3 let's say, then what? you cant roll it over to next year like your own picks. what is plan B for utah should the 2016 net pick not work out?

That's for Boston and Utah to negotiate.

it's actually not. i believe i read that you can't protect an already traded pick any further than it's already protected.

Through further investigation I realized that we can't put protections on a pick traded to us. TP for pointing that out.

I don't see a deal happening until the offseason anyway. After the draft lottery we will know what spot we will be picking with the Nets pick and thus won't need to protect it.

Do you have a source on that? Not doubting you -- I've heard it before, but never seen it written (or at least never comprehended it that way if I've seen it.)

I'm on the same boat as you saltlover. Like I can easily envision protecting it, and if it doesn't convey then maybe Boston sends their own. Something along those lines. Would love to see some concrete evidence on this.

I don't see anything about it in Larry Coon's CBA FAQs

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q87

[KeepRondo]

Here's a crazy thought. If this was possible, I would say no to this trade:

Olynyk and Brad Stevens for Favors, Hayward and Exum.

Hopefully we get another 10 years of Stevens coaching the Cs. Never would had valued a coach this high before until we got Stevens.

Ainge is 2 for 2 in coaches, IMO.  Even when everyone on here & message boards around shunned him when O'Brien got butt hurt.

I agree. Doc was the right coach for those veteran teams. Just needed Ainge to build that Roster for him. Stevens seems more flexible with who he can coach. He seems to get the best out of everyone he coaches.

[saltlover]

I think I would trade the Nets pick for Favors or Hayward if it was top two or top 3 protected. I doubt anyone outside of Ingram, Simmons or potentially Bender will be better than either of those two.

I see a deal like this as being considerably more likely in the offseason though.

just curious, but how exactly does this work? i mean, if the nets draft pick falls to #3 let's say, then what? you cant roll it over to next year like your own picks. what is plan B for utah should the 2016 net pick not work out?

That's for Boston and Utah to negotiate.

it's actually not. i believe i read that you can't protect an already traded pick any further than it's already protected.

Through further investigation I realized that we can't put protections on a pick traded to us. TP for pointing that out.

I don't see a deal happening until the offseason anyway. After the draft lottery we will know what spot we will be picking with the Nets pick and thus won't need to protect it.

Do you have a source on that? Not doubting you -- I've heard it before, but never seen it written (or at least never comprehended it that way if I've seen it.)

I'm on the same boat as you saltlover. Like I can easily envision protecting it, and if it doesn't convey then maybe Boston sends their own. Something along those lines. Would love to see some concrete evidence on this.

For instance, I know you're allowed to trade either the lesser of two picks or greater of two picks you control in the same draft.

[Evantime34]

I think I would trade the Nets pick for Favors or Hayward if it was top two or top 3 protected. I doubt anyone outside of Ingram, Simmons or potentially Bender will be better than either of those two.

I see a deal like this as being considerably more likely in the offseason though.

just curious, but how exactly does this work? i mean, if the nets draft pick falls to #3 let's say, then what? you cant roll it over to next year like your own picks. what is plan B for utah should the 2016 net pick not work out?

That's for Boston and Utah to negotiate.

it's actually not. i believe i read that you can't protect an already traded pick any further than it's already protected.

Through further investigation I realized that we can't put protections on a pick traded to us. TP for pointing that out.

I don't see a deal happening until the offseason anyway. After the draft lottery we will know what spot we will be picking with the Nets pick and thus won't need to protect it.

Do you have a source on that? Not doubting you -- I've heard it before, but never seen it written (or at least never comprehended it that way if I've seen it.)

I'm on the same boat as you saltlover. Like I can easily envision protecting it, and if it doesn't convey then maybe Boston sends their own. Something along those lines. Would love to see some concrete evidence on this.

For instance, I know you're allowed to trade either the lesser of two picks or greater of two picks you control in the same draft.

I was told this by someone on another message board I trust with this type of info. But I tweeted at Larry Coon to confirm it.

So no good sources yet but I'll let you know if Coon responds.

[Quetzalcoatl]

Why can't we say it's top two protected this year, then it's top one protected on the pic swap next year, then completely unprotected in 2018? We have the pick three years in a row, it should be possible

[D Dub]

How about this one?


Hayward to Boston, Rose to Utah, with Bradley+Amir to Chicago.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=znag5uf



Utah would attempt a major step forward by upgrading their backcourt at the expense of one of their young prospects.  With Hood coming up, and Gobert/Favors already in the fold, basketball-wise this might be the kind of home run swing Utah is willing to take right now.  Low risk for them, considering Rose's deal is one year less than Hayward, who wasn't moving the needle anyways.

Chicago cleans up the drama in the locker with a move that clearly hands the captain reigns to Butler.  They likely improve in the short term with Bradley's defense and savvy.  This has to been one of the few options they have to move Rose, and great one money wise for them. 

Parting with AB and Amir hurts us talent-wise, but it would clear logjams both front & back --- and the key thing is we keep ALL our picks.  Obviously Brad would be ecstatic to get his old Butler alum back (Hayward).  He's just the type of sharp-shooting, scoring threat we need and his on-court fit would allow Smart and Kelly to thrive in their natural roles going forward.  This kind of move might afford us the luxury of not needing to deal any of those BKL futures. 

Really seems like a good deal for all three teams involved. 
Who says no?

[CroCorvus]

Anyone who thinks that BKN '16 pick plus fillers is going to bring us Hayward and Favors (before trade deadline) is insane...

[Csfan1984]

Anyone who thinks that BKN '16 pick plus fillers is going to bring us Hayward and Favors (before trade deadline) is insane...

Sign me up for insanity but I say all the 2016 1st and C's 2018. And let's face it if they land Simmons or Ingram via the Nets pick it's a huge win for that franchise since they aren't going anywhere right now.

[CroCorvus]

Anyone who thinks that BKN '16 pick plus fillers is going to bring us Hayward and Favors (before trade deadline) is insane...

Sign me up for insanity but I say all the 2016 1st and C's 2018. And let's face it if they land Simmons or Ingram via the Nets pick it's a huge win for that franchise since they aren't going anywhere right now.

I like both those guys, but the question is do they make us a contender? I say it's close, but I'm not sure.

[Csfan1984]

Anyone who thinks that BKN '16 pick plus fillers is going to bring us Hayward and Favors (before trade deadline) is insane...

Sign me up for insanity but I say all the 2016 1st and C's 2018. And let's face it if they land Simmons or Ingram via the Nets pick it's a huge win for that franchise since they aren't going anywhere right now.

I like both those guys, but the question is do they make us a contender? I say it's close, but I'm not sure.

I agree it's a gamble for both franchises but Jazz are stuck and by doing such a trade they end up with two lock top ten picks plus good role players they can flip OR keep. Favors and Hayward are good players but Ingram or Simmons are special after all. C's still have other Brooklyn picks coming so we can gamble next year with those. Securing two top 25 players for five first rounders with only one being top 10 it's a worthy gamble given their fit and need for a team trying to win.

[mahcussmaht]

Dante Exum was a big help for them defensively last year.  They should just wait for him to come back.