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critics criticize-take a bow marcus
« on: January 16, 2016, 09:34:30 AM »

Offline rollie mass

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my father used to say"i don't criticize i just report unpleasant circumstances"
my mother said"i don't gossip i just report"
and i added "i talk positve and think cynical"

this all has to do with yesterdays post" on how to fix marcus"
i posted get healthy ,time, experience
 the interesting part of last nights game was how marcus slowed down, navigated the paint,passed and went to hoop all while not having lift and some dead legs-to me he is learning to be a pro and adapting to his injuries(some of his shots he didn't get 6 inches off the floor)-last night was an important fix to his future and my favorite was(a hesitation while entering paint, a look and a drive for so open layup)
the crtics will go, yah but and i say did you see that 21 yr old just coming back from injury run the offence and play defence--
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Re: critics criticize-take a bow marcus
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2016, 02:14:56 PM »

Offline CelticPride2016

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You have actual basketball experience. Is shooting something that anyone can get decent at? I look at Rondo and he developed a decent jumper. Tony Allen had an okay jump shot. Maybe even Gerald Wallace did too. Along the way they lost even that modest ability. With Rondo it is free throws. How come Rondo can nail jump shots, but not free throws. Are his hands too big?

Marcus Smart only shoots bad because he never worked at it? He always assumed there are those who can shoot and then there are players who must hide on offense for jump shots?

Smart needs to force the issue with an inside game. He needs to practice, practice, practice.

I agree that he has had a lot of injuries and that those things affect shooting.

There is something about Smart that doesn't show up in stats but certainly with the eye test. He is a winner. He finds ways to win. He is extremely young and has already mastered defense. He may not ever be a great shooter, but if he does, we may have an MVP already on the team.

Re: critics criticize-take a bow marcus
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2016, 02:39:06 PM »

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I think the thing about Marcus is he can do so much on a basketball court as far as the in between stuff.  Offense is overrated that way.   I hate saying anyone can put a ball in a basket which isn't necessarily the truth but that stuff can come with practice.

Any winning team its about winning the in between stuff as much as it is scoring anyways.  There are a lot of players who can score in the nba. 

I say keep doing what you do Marcus and keep improving on the things you need to improve on. 

Re: critics criticize-take a bow marcus
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2016, 02:48:45 PM »

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Olynyk and Smart mirror each other. One was ready made on one side of the court, but not the other.

Kelly seems to becoming a serviceable center on defense. Less and less do I see him being overprotected and always getting the weaker of the opponent's two bigs.

Perhaps Marcus Smart can become above average on offense. His development has been stifled a bit by Evan Turner who has much more experience.

These are some of the questions to be answered.

Is Evan Turner for real? Is he developing into a true Celtic or is he Jordan Crawford "we are not tanking" filler?

Is Turner holding back Smart? Can Smart be a pg? If not, or for not more than as a backup for pg offense, can we keep two shooting guards such as Bradley and Smart?

I understand the league is evolving. It is getting complicated like trying to figure out football.

The league is going to fielding the five best players over height or old-time ways of defining the five positions.

The trading deadline seems to be the biggest factor.

With all due respect to fans of Evan Turner, I hope he is traded in regards to this season. We need a second pg. Rozier is too young. I don't like what Turner brings to the table. The game is no fun with his style. It becomes work. It becomes like the final years of the Big Three knowing the regular season games were crap shoots and let's pray they can get healthy and turn on the switch.

I call this the joie de vivre factor. It is a part of the philosophy of roster chemistry.

Who plays for the love of the game?

Who plays for themselves?

Evan Turner to me represents the treadmill.

When guys like Smart, Bradley, Crowder, Olynyk, and Amir are out there, that is your love of the game starting lineup.

Isaiah Thomas for all his hall-of-fame skills is just like them with lunch pails. People told him he was too small, can't defend.

It is a delicate balance, all this talk of team chemistry, talent, and a pure love of the game. Stevens has it. So does Danny.

Turner might be trying his best, and I admit he wins us some games, but when he is on the court I can sense baggage, the same with Sully. It's not that they're bad guys. They just don't seem like good fits.

I hope Smart is given a solid chance to be the #2 pg with no help from Turner and there is a problem solved. Turner is #3 for pg and otherwise he is just another guy, imho. I'd rather have Pressey. I'd rather have everyone on the same page with a full-out running attack and ferocious ball hawking defense. I mean Pressey as long-term third pg, #10-15 roster guy on a reasonable contract, or someone like that.

It's like Rollie says about Zeller. One can call him a scrub, but that's called an opinion, and he'll just have to be replaced anyway.

Styles win boxing matches and NBA games. We saw a glimpse of the future last night.

Re: critics criticize-take a bow marcus
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2016, 04:37:36 PM »

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RollieMass - learn how to spell offense and defense and people will take you more seriously  ;)

Smart did have a triple double last night his first - keep in mind it was against the Suns a team that is not very good.  Also, notice again Smart's shooting statistics which is the reason I still doubt he will ever become a well rounded player in the NBA.  He was 4-12 and 1-5 from 3 pt range..still very poor shooting percentages.  I recommend you check his shooting percentages in the last few games he has played...2-9 etc.

Smart is a good defensive player and he lead the C's in rebounding last night so kudos to him for a very good game vs the Suns but his offense is sorely lacking. 

As a Celtics fan, I'm hoping Marcus does eventually correct his poor shooting - time will tell.

MikeB
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RollieMass - learn how to spell offense and defense and people will take you more seriously  ;)

Smart did have a triple double last night his first - keep in mind it was against the Suns a team that is not very good.  Also, notice again Smart's shooting statistics which is the reason I still doubt he will ever become a well rounded player in the NBA.  He was 4-12 and 1-5 from 3 pt range..still very poor shooting percentages.  I recommend you check his shooting percentages in the last few games he has played...2-9 etc.

Smart is a good defensive player and he lead the C's in rebounding last night so kudos to him for a very good game vs the Suns but his offense is sorely lacking. 

As a Celtics fan, I'm hoping Marcus does eventually correct his poor shooting - time will tell.

MikeB

Attacking spelling? Really? Especially when you are wrong is just bad. The spellings used are correct spellings. You should stick to a reasonable response to posts instead of attacking the posters spelling. Like I said it is just bad form, and even worse when you are wrong or make errors of your own.

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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2016, 06:31:18 PM »

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RollieMass - learn how to spell offense and defense and people will take you more seriously  ;)

Smart did have a triple double last night his first - keep in mind it was against the Suns a team that is not very good.  Also, notice again Smart's shooting statistics which is the reason I still doubt he will ever become a well rounded player in the NBA.  He was 4-12 and 1-5 from 3 pt range..still very poor shooting percentages.  I recommend you check his shooting percentages in the last few games he has played...2-9 etc.

Smart is a good defensive player and he lead the C's in rebounding last night so kudos to him for a very good game vs the Suns but his offense is sorely lacking. 

As a Celtics fan, I'm hoping Marcus does eventually correct his poor shooting - time will tell.

MikeB

Attacking spelling? Really? Especially when you are wrong is just bad. The spellings used are correct spellings. You should stick to a reasonable response to posts instead of attacking the posters spelling. Like I said it is just bad form, and even worse when you are wrong or make errors of your own.

So now you're attracting someone for attacking someone? Is there anything more annoying than blogger police?
Mike

(My name is not Mike)

Re: critics criticize-take a bow marcus
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2016, 06:34:01 PM »

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nope calling out errant conduct is not an attack....

Re: critics criticize-take a bow marcus
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2016, 07:39:19 PM »

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RollieMass - learn how to spell offense and defense and people will take you more seriously  ;)

Smart did have a triple double last night his first - keep in mind it was against the Suns a team that is not very good.  Also, notice again Smart's shooting statistics which is the reason I still doubt he will ever become a well rounded player in the NBA.  He was 4-12 and 1-5 from 3 pt range..still very poor shooting percentages.  I recommend you check his shooting percentages in the last few games he has played...2-9 etc.

Smart is a good defensive player and he lead the C's in rebounding last night so kudos to him for a very good game vs the Suns but his offense is sorely lacking. 

As a Celtics fan, I'm hoping Marcus does eventually correct his poor shooting - time will tell.

MikeB

Attacking spelling? Really? Especially when you are wrong is just bad. The spellings used are correct spellings. You should stick to a reasonable response to posts instead of attacking the posters spelling. Like I said it is just bad form, and even worse when you are wrong or make errors of your own.
  can be spelled either way- critics criticize and i live in england

Re: critics criticize-take a bow marcus
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2016, 07:41:52 PM »

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Smart played well last night.  I hope he keeps it up.

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Great to see Smart have a nice game.  He still shot horribly, but a triple double is nice to see regardless.
You’ll have to excuse my lengthiness—the reason I dread writing letters is because I am so apt to get to slinging wisdom & forget to let up. Thus much precious time is lost.
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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2016, 07:54:36 PM »

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coming back from injuries ,i quess you never played or are superman-

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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2016, 08:06:05 PM »

Offline rollie mass

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Mark twain on spelling-i have no respect for a man that spells a word one way-i think you should google the topic-

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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2016, 08:13:53 PM »

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my father used to say"i don't criticize i just report unpleasant circumstances"
my mother said"i don't gossip i just report"
and i added "i talk positve and think cynical"

this all has to do with yesterdays post" on how to fix marcus"
i posted get healthy ,time, experience
 the interesting part of last nights game was how marcus slowed down, navigated the paint,passed and went to hoop all while not having lift and some dead legs-to me he is learning to be a pro and adapting to his injuries(some of his shots he didn't get 6 inches off the floor)-last night was an important fix to his future and my favorite was(a hesitation while entering paint, a look and a drive for so open layup)
the crtics will go, yah but and i say did you see that 21 yr old just coming back from injury run the offence and play defence--

Well said Rollie.  Marcus Smart is not a player I spend time worrying about. And the better Boston gets the better Marcus will get.  Imagine him next to Ingram.  Imagine him next to Durant.  We need a couple more scorers to pair with Marcus and Jae and then we'll be sailing. 

The problem with the Cetlics is not the guards/wings.  It's the bigs.  We need a scoring SF to back up Jae and a star big of one kind or another...one that Brad can fit into his designs.

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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2016, 09:24:04 PM »

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Marcus to me is just a basketball player and will get better with time.  He's still learning when to take his time and when to be aggressive.  He also just needs to work on his shot.