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Re: Skal is sliding!
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2016, 02:59:32 PM »

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Re: Skal is sliding!
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2016, 03:00:22 PM »

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I don't get how bender is high based on potential alone. the guy is barely playing.
maybe he is that good, but who knows??
Because tall and European?

Speaking about tall and European, it seems that the way it is going, we may need to spend our Nets pick on Poeltl if we want him...
I dont think we want him, just a regular big if you ask me.
Finding a "regular big" who can play on both ends of the floor is not as easy as you seem to suggest. If he turns out a healthy version of Bogut or Kaman, that's a pretty good haul.
So Chris Kaman is a lottery pick talent? Regular bigs should be picked out of the lottery, they all do the same thing.
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I don't get how bender is high based on potential alone. the guy is barely playing.
maybe he is that good, but who knows??
Because tall and European?

Speaking about tall and European, it seems that the way it is going, we may need to spend our Nets pick on Poeltl if we want him...
I dont think we want him, just a regular big if you ask me.
Finding a "regular big" who can play on both ends of the floor is not as easy as you seem to suggest. If he turns out a healthy version of Bogut or Kaman, that's a pretty good haul.
So Chris Kaman is a lottery pick talent? Regular bigs should be picked out of the lottery, they all do the same thing.

Considering he was drafted in lottery territory at the time (2003, 6th), the answer would be, yes.


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« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2016, 03:09:53 PM »

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Considering he was drafted in lottery territory at the time (2003, 6th), the answer would be, yes.
The healthy version of Chris Kaman in the prime of his career was pretty good, and well worth his draft position. The problem is it didn't last long.
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I don't get how bender is high based on potential alone. the guy is barely playing.
maybe he is that good, but who knows??
Because tall and European?

Speaking about tall and European, it seems that the way it is going, we may need to spend our Nets pick on Poeltl if we want him...
I dont think we want him, just a regular big if you ask me.
Finding a "regular big" who can play on both ends of the floor is not as easy as you seem to suggest. If he turns out a healthy version of Bogut or Kaman, that's a pretty good haul.
So Chris Kaman is a lottery pick talent? Regular bigs should be picked out of the lottery, they all do the same thing.

Kaman is a lottery pick talent. Injuries have been a constant issue but for one season he averaged 18pt 9rb and 2blk.

As for Poeltl being a "regular big" from what I have seen of him he should have the potential to develop into a defensive anchor and a solid pick and drive offensive player. I would think his comp would be a tyson chandler type big man. That seems lottery worthy.

Bender is a different story he really doesn't have a good current NBA comp. From the games ive seen he reminds me physically of a young Pau Gasol but with a perimeter based offensive skill set. To compare him to the current hot commodity Porzingas, he seems to move much better laterally and looks more the part of a true SF where as Porzingas is a stretch big man.
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Bender is a different story he really doesn't have a good current NBA comp. From the games ive seen he reminds me physically of a young Pau Gasol but with a perimeter based offensive skill set. To compare him to the current hot commodity Porzingas, he seems to move much better laterally and looks more the part of a true SF where as Porzingas is a stretch big man.
He does. His name is Bruno Sundov.
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I've watched a few Kentucky games. I have seen NOTHING from Skal. If he begins to show flashes, I'd be willing to consider him if the Nets pick falls to the 6-8 range, but as of right now, I'd stay far, far away.
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« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2016, 11:50:31 AM »

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I always thought it was a bad idea for him to play center. He is a PF. He should be in a running offense as well. Just a bad fit. His D is horrible though lol.

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Mock drafts don't reflect any kind of change in actual draft status, we learn this every year when the real draft happens (remember WCS was in freefall, til the actual picks got made).  That said he hasn't looked very ready to contribute so far.

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Mock drafts don't reflect any kind of change in actual draft status, we learn this every year when the real draft happens (remember WCS was in freefall, til the actual picks got made).  That said he hasn't looked very ready to contribute so far.

Winslow is a better example, he was top 5 in a lot of mocks but went 10th. WCS would have fallen farther if Cousins didn't push for the Kings drafting him.

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Mock drafts don't reflect any kind of change in actual draft status, we learn this every year when the real draft happens (remember WCS was in freefall, til the actual picks got made).  That said he hasn't looked very ready to contribute so far.

Winslow is a better example, he was top 5 in a lot of mocks but went 10th. WCS would have fallen farther if Cousins didn't push for the Kings drafting him.

Everyone who had him "sliding" had the Kings passing on him.  It's irrelevant what we guess might've happened differently, the point is his "sliding" on the fake drafts had zero bearing on his real draft position.  Similar with Winslow - being a popular top 5 pick in mock drafts was unrelated to his actual result.  My point is Skal's performance or lack thereof is definitely worth talking about, but his dropping down fake draft lists 5 months out is completely meaningless outside of Imaginationland.

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Skal could be kinda like Andre Drummond, who struggled in college but has been much, much better in the NBA.

On the other hand, he might just not be very good.

If Skal falls he could be a great trade up and take the gamble candidate for the Cs especially if they don't go big with the Nets pick. However I doubt they will have the fire power to make that jump. If the Cs own pick finishes 15-18 and dallas is 17-22 it will be hard to see the Cs getting up to the 9-12 range.
Yeah, they'd have to get a little lucky with the Dallas pick or really fall out of contention in the East to have a shot and Skal would have to continue to fall. But I think a guy with his skill set would definitely be worth taking around 10 and I'd definitely trade the, say, 14th and 18th picks for the #10.
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« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2016, 01:16:41 PM »

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Mock drafts don't reflect any kind of change in actual draft status, we learn this every year when the real draft happens (remember WCS was in freefall, til the actual picks got made).  That said he hasn't looked very ready to contribute so far.

Winslow is a better example, he was top 5 in a lot of mocks but went 10th. WCS would have fallen farther if Cousins didn't push for the Kings drafting him.

Everyone who had him "sliding" had the Kings passing on him.  It's irrelevant what we guess might've happened differently, the point is his "sliding" on the fake drafts had zero bearing on his real draft position.  Similar with Winslow - being a popular top 5 pick in mock drafts was unrelated to his actual result.  My point is Skal's performance or lack thereof is definitely worth talking about, but his dropping down fake draft lists 5 months out is completely meaningless outside of Imaginationland.

I agree that mock drafts have essentially no bearing on gm decision making but I'd dispute your example as evidence that mocks are without actual credibility.

Everything that's come out has suggested that DA was high on Winslow and probably had him ranked second or third his personal board.

We weren't just trying to steal Winslow at 10 by acquiring Charlotte's pick we were trying to use that pick to trade up to The Knicks spot and take Winslow at 3. If that happened the mocks would have been spot on.