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Re: Max offers
« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2016, 01:18:15 AM »

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Yes to Whiteside and Barnes, yes to Derozan as a last resort.  Derozan is a volume scorer who is good, but overrated considering his efficiency.  Also, he's a bad 3pt shooter, which doesn't go well with Brad Stevens.  Barnes is hardly my first choice either for that much money, but I do like him.

I always thought this, but this year he's really improved his efficiency. He's taking less than two three point attempts per game (basically when the shot clock is expiring) and still shooting 30% from three.But yeah, he's top 3 in the NBA at getting to the free throw line- only Harden and Cousins are better.
His TS% is the highest it's ever been at 55% which is pretty good.
He's improved because he's taking much better shots- he can do this because of Lowry's emergence, so he gets way more open looks without being double/triple teamed.

Anyway, I know he's got limitations, but he's pretty much a top 10 player.
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Re: Max offers
« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2016, 01:20:36 AM »

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The competition for top talent will still be intense and the value top talent brings to a team is very high.

It is also silly to talk about whether players are worthy of "max" contracts. You talk about dollar amount. You have to be a lot better to be worthy of a max deal with 10 years of service than with 5 years of service. It seems like a lot of people don't understand how max contracts work.

Re: Max offers
« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2016, 01:22:31 AM »

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Ainge paid Lee and Amir based on their service.  They don't really hurt us at all. They are short term and do what is asked of them when they are out there. They also are vets and don't hurt us in the locker room when they aren't playing.
Ainge didn't have anything to do with Lee's contract. Ainge traded for Lee.

Re: Max offers
« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2016, 01:39:10 AM »

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Lee is basically Gerald Wallace. It's just a contract we've been carrying around from the KG and Pierce trade. He signed Pierce and KG to those deals based on their service so he really does have to do with Lee's contract. It's basically Pierce and KG's deals that Ainge signed them to.  We just traded Pierce and KG off for picks because Pierce and KG were not a part of things here anymore.

It's a dead contract from Ainge's signing of Pierce and KG.  I think GS actually traded wallace for Thompson after the fact and did the same thing we did with Lee because we'd rather pay him than Wallace in hopes Lee might help us.  GS basically did us a solid.

But  Ainge is responsible for Lee's contract.  I get what  you are saying and not directly but he signed Pierce and KG and he is responsible for Lee's contract now because of it.

Ainge has everything to do with Lee's contract lol.
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Re: Max offers
« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2016, 12:16:16 PM »

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Barnes - Yes - BUT if we get Simmons or Ingram then that may change things?

DeRozan - No

Whiteside - Maybe

Re: Max offers
« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2016, 01:48:15 PM »

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Jesus, I thought you guys were talking about MATT Barnes for the longest time.

No way on Whiteside. My cousin's ex-husband's nutritionist's goddaughter is a psychologist. She said that when Whiteside came on TV her dog Scruffy barked weird, and he always knows.

Re: Max offers
« Reply #36 on: January 09, 2016, 02:44:57 PM »

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I think we Should Offer Drummond a Max. Let the Pistons Match. The Nets and Magic will be offer Max to anyone who will take it.
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Re: Max offers
« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2016, 03:04:05 PM »

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I think we Should Offer Drummond a Max. Let the Pistons Match. The Nets and Magic will be offer Max to anyone who will take it.

When you make an offer to a restricted free agent it ties up your cap during the few days the other team gets while "deliberating" whether to match. That's why it's not smart to do so if you have any inkling that you might be busy with other free agents/trades during those few days. The other team will generally wait until the last minute to match even though it's a 100% certainty that they will.

Re: Max offers
« Reply #38 on: January 09, 2016, 03:12:17 PM »

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I know this is a little off-topic (but on topic with the thread title), but what do people here think of Kent Bazemore? I realize he is probably not a max candidate, but he has kind-of exploded this year with the Hawks and has been excellent recently with increased minutes and responsibility. This isn't a player putting up empty stats on a bad team; the Hawks are very good and Bazemore is currently only making $2M and was brought in with fairly low expectations. I imagine he will only get better from here.

It'd also be nice to bring in his teammate, Horford, as they are both restricted free agents  ;)

Re: Max offers
« Reply #39 on: January 09, 2016, 04:27:39 PM »

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I know this is a little off-topic (but on topic with the thread title), but what do people here think of Kent Bazemore? I realize he is probably not a max candidate, but he has kind-of exploded this year with the Hawks and has been excellent recently with increased minutes and responsibility. This isn't a player putting up empty stats on a bad team; the Hawks are very good and Bazemore is currently only making $2M and was brought in with fairly low expectations. I imagine he will only get better from here.

It'd also be nice to bring in his teammate, Horford, as they are both restricted free agents  ;)

They're both unrestricted, actually. Horford will definitely get the max, probably signing a one-year deal like Durant to become a ten-year vet and get an even better max deal.

That will make Bazemore hard to keep as it would push them right against the projected cap. However, with so much cap space out there they could easily clear room by giving away players. A lot of their contracts run until the end of 2017, which means it'd only be a one-year commitment for a team to take on say, Tiago Splitter (8.2 million) or Jeff Teague (8 million). Or, they could just go over the cap a year, since the cap will rise again and they may find themselves back under.

This is why the rising cap helps the established teams keep their guys and hurts the developing teams who otherwise might be able to poach some talent.

Re: Max offers
« Reply #40 on: January 09, 2016, 05:41:43 PM »

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Jesus, I thought you guys were talking about MATT Barnes for the longest time.

No way on Whiteside. My cousin's ex-husband's nutritionist's goddaughter is a psychologist. She said that when Whiteside came on TV her dog Scruffy barked weird, and he always knows.

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Re: Max offers
« Reply #41 on: January 09, 2016, 05:48:18 PM »

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I know this is a little off-topic (but on topic with the thread title), but what do people here think of Kent Bazemore? I realize he is probably not a max candidate, but he has kind-of exploded this year with the Hawks and has been excellent recently with increased minutes and responsibility. This isn't a player putting up empty stats on a bad team; the Hawks are very good and Bazemore is currently only making $2M and was brought in with fairly low expectations. I imagine he will only get better from here.

It'd also be nice to bring in his teammate, Horford, as they are both restricted free agents  ;)

No interest in Bazemore.

I don't think it is worthwhile for Boston to pay money for another guard. I think most of their backcourt minutes are already occupied by Smart, Bradley and Isaiah - who should get around 90 minutes a game out of 96 total backcourt minutes per game. Plus, Boston needs to develop young guards in RJ Hunter, Terry Rozier and James Young - who will all need playing time moving forward to develop their games.

So I don't think spending money on Bazemore is worthwhile at this point.

Not unless someone (Bradley, Smart or Isaiah) leaves. If one of those guys does leave, I think Bazemore could make a solid replacement option.

Re: Max offers
« Reply #42 on: January 09, 2016, 05:52:40 PM »

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Jesus, I thought you guys were talking about MATT Barnes for the longest time.

No way on Whiteside. My cousin's ex-husband's nutritionist's goddaughter is a psychologist. She said that when Whiteside came on TV her dog Scruffy barked weird, and he always knows.

This is one of my favorite bits of analysis that I've ever read on these forums.   ;D
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Re: Max offers
« Reply #43 on: January 09, 2016, 06:25:13 PM »

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Hire that dawg!

Re: Max offers
« Reply #44 on: January 09, 2016, 06:32:13 PM »

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Jesus, I thought you guys were talking about MATT Barnes for the longest time.

No way on Whiteside. My cousin's ex-husband's nutritionist's goddaughter is a psychologist. She said that when Whiteside came on TV her dog Scruffy barked weird, and he always knows.

This is one of my favorite bits of analysis that I've ever read on these forums.   ;D

LOL best best basketball analysis ever