Max offers

[konkmv]

Would you give max offers to whiteside derozan an barnes?

[KeepRondo]

I think we are still 3-4 years out from being in a position to contend, so I have no problem with Ainge over extending to make our team better in the short run.

I say yes to Whiteside and Barnes.

[Evantime34]

Yes on DeRozan. He could be the go to scorer we need, him and Amir are friends so maybe that helps us recruit him.

Yes on Barnes. He's exactly the type of swing forward that would allow the C's to play the small ball Stevens prefer. His ability to switch on everything, his shooting, and athleticism could really help this team.

No on Whiteside. If there was ever a prime candidate to come to this team and ruin the locker room it is Whiteside. Despite all his talents he spent a long time out of the NBA because of his attitude. This attitude isn't going to get better if he gets a max deal. For all his shot blocking, the Heat are better defensively with him on the bench.

[Denis998]

I think the days of throwing out max contracts are over, they will go back to being only handed out to superstars as they once were. Taking a cap hit of about 30% of the maximum would cripple the financial flexibility for that team, especially if that player is only above average at best. That being said, Whiteside is probably worth a max, but I dont think he will be beneficial to the team.

[spikelovetheCelts]

Drummond would have to say no if I was DA.

[Evantime34]

I think the days of throwing out max contracts are over, they will go back to being only handed out to superstars as they once were. Taking a cap hit of about 30% of the maximum would cripple the financial flexibility for that team, especially if that player is only above average at best. That being said, Whiteside is probably worth a max, but I dont think he will be beneficial to the team.

I think it will the opposite is true. With so many teams having cap space I expect the cost of signing free agents to rise.

[Denis998]

I think the days of throwing out max contracts are over, they will go back to being only handed out to superstars as they once were. Taking a cap hit of about 30% of the maximum would cripple the financial flexibility for that team, especially if that player is only above average at best. That being said, Whiteside is probably worth a max, but I dont think he will be beneficial to the team.

I think it will the opposite is true. With so many teams having cap space I expect the cost of signing free agents to rise.

you would think so, but this years free agent class is quite lack luster. As the cap is rising in these coming years, it will fall as well, and those middle tier max level contracts are that much more deadly to the roster. Paying someone like Barnes 24 million for four years doesn't seem much of a good idea in the long run. I feel like handing out max contracts left and right has lead Brooklyn into the situation it is in now.

[Evantime34]

I think the days of throwing out max contracts are over, they will go back to being only handed out to superstars as they once were. Taking a cap hit of about 30% of the maximum would cripple the financial flexibility for that team, especially if that player is only above average at best. That being said, Whiteside is probably worth a max, but I dont think he will be beneficial to the team.

I think it will the opposite is true. With so many teams having cap space I expect the cost of signing free agents to rise.

you would think so, but this years free agent class is quite lack luster. As the cap is rising in these coming years, it will fall as well, and those middle tier max level contracts are that much more deadly to the roster. Paying someone like Barnes 24 million for four years doesn't seem much of a good idea in the long run. I feel like handing out max contracts left and right has lead Brooklyn into the situation it is in now.

I think it's more likely teams give out max contracts but for shorter years, than they don't give out max contracts.

[Big333223]

From what I understand, teams are going to have trouble meeting the salary floor this year, so there will definitely be max contracts handed to guys who don't deserve them. Whoever signs Hassan Whiteside is going to have to pay max money or he'll find it somewhere else. Same for Derozan and probably Barnes (although I'm slightly skeptical about Barnes getting that money).

[mgent]

Yes to Whiteside and Barnes, yes to Derozan as a last resort.  Derozan is a volume scorer who is good, but overrated considering his efficiency.  Also, he's a bad 3pt shooter, which doesn't go well with Brad Stevens.  Barnes is hardly my first choice either for that much money, but I do like him.

[max215]

Barnes- I'd be reluctant to, but I'd consider it.
DeRozan- I would not feel great about it, but we'd have to consider it.
Whiteside- No.

[Smartacus]

Been struggling with the idea of maxing out Whiteside. Think what most intrigues me about the idea of it is our growing rivalry with Detroit.

Lately been thinking that the main reason Detroit kills us particularly in the 4th is because we have to dictate so much of our defensive attention and scheming to keeping Andre Drummond from going off. It hasn't been Drummond that's been killing us but more the fear that if we don't have him on constant lockdown, he'll out work our bigs into a 27/20 game and all that attention leaves the shooters free to feast on our distracted D.

If we had Whiteside we'd have a player that can offer 90% of what Drummond does leaving the rest of the team free to stick to their respective matchups. Plus aesthetically I just like his game.

Alot of the hook shots and power dunks he can dish out remind me of Wilt Chamberlain highlights. Having a true beast in the post would be awesome to see and I think it'd be possible to let Whiteside "get his" without having to run a ton of plays for him and bog down the offense.(Possible but in no way guaranteed)

On the negative side he seems to have a pretty serious power complex. Apparently training staffs feel he's impossible to work with and when he's been asked about what he needs to improve in his game he responds with "Nothing"... but then maybe that's just the trade off to attaining a top 5 center.

Playing in Israel toughened him up and refocused him even down too his eating habits(He's been quoted as saying he's traded in cheeseburgers for hummus). Personally I like him better than Deandre Jordan and Joel Embiid, but I concede the slowing effect that he'd have on our pace might just mean he's a bad fit in Boston in ways someone like a Marc Gasol wouldn't.

Final Verdict: I'd do it but if DA and Stevens aren't interested i wouldn't blame them in any way.

[Csfan1984]

Yes, yes, yes and yes. And not even because I think all or any are max players. It's the talent pool of the NBA is limited to around 120 impact players. Because of that you have to overpay for any top 60 talent.

Derozan is more proven. He is Turner X2 as far as game impact and we see what Turner does here. Double his play and that is Derozan.

Whiteside and Drummond are in the small group of Howard, Davis, Drummond, Chandler(2 years ago), Jordan, Ibaka (preinjury) and Duncan as far as paint defense with some offense. Their offense is of course lower than some I named but the D is there or better. That has to be worth max $ to someone especially a team like C's.


Barnes is in that Hayward to Harden mold. Sure he doesn't look like a big time player but he has all the tools to make a big leap. It's a bet a lot of teams are willing to do to get that kind of player if at all possible. At worse he has Parson level impact.

So blame it on the talent pool but all are max guys in today's NBA.

[walker834]

No I wouldn't.  I feel like the celtics can do better and extend the players they have and draft younger players who fit better with their skill set.  Whiteside is a terrible passer.  Barnes is a roleplayer and Derozan is a two dimensional scorer.  Derozan out of any of those guys is worth max money but I wouldn't pay him that.

I  think it's more important to keep our current nucleus in tact and find the right pieces to go with them.

Unless I'm missing something on Whiteside but he is notorious for his horrible passing. 

None of these guys outside of Barnes seems to fit our style of play.

I think people miss that we are trying to build a team and a style of play here.  Whiteside doesn't fit with the Heat because of his  passing and he's going to fit on the Celtics? 

Unless something changes there and the celtics see something I don't, I don't see why he would fit.  Everything else is good with him though as far as his defense and rebounding. He isn't really a scorer as much as a finisher.

[PhoSita]

Barnes, yes I would, though I doubt the Warriors will allow him to go anywhere.  I also think that he has upside.

I don't think either Derozan or Whiteside would likely be a very good fit here, and I'm not confident either will live up to the value of a long term max contract.