Ainge on Toucher and Rich: "Consolidating quantity for quality"

[LarBrd33]

considering that there's a ton of buyers and no sellers, Boston should consider selling.

I agree. We have guys who we could probably be overpaid for due to our depth. I wouldn't mind moving anyone but Smart, Crowder, and probably KO.

Yup.  Selling high on Thomas isn't a bad idea right now.   Same with Bradley.   If you can get anything for Sully, you should get it... I don't want to pay him.   I also wonder if you could get some value for Evan Turner. 

[Ilikesports17]

considering that there's a ton of buyers and no sellers, Boston should consider selling.

I agree. We have guys who we could probably be overpaid for due to our depth. I wouldn't mind moving anyone but Smart, Crowder, and probably KO.

Yup.  Selling high on Thomas isn't a bad idea right now.   Same with Bradley.   If you can get anything for Sully, you should get it... I don't want to pay him.   I also wonder if you could get some value for Evan Turner.

I think you only trade sully if you are giving up the season (trading Thomas or Bradley)

[oldtype]

I'm not completely against the idea of selling high on Isaiah if we could get a big haul, but man are we going to be painful to watch for the rest of the season without him.

[Rondo9]

At the very least, I expect to see one of the expiring deals and at least 1 first round draft pick gone at the deadline for a wing player that can slash to the basket and/or shoot 3s

Problem is that almost every team in the league needs guys who fit this description and they are in short supply.

Jae Crowder?

[Ilikesports17]

I'm not completely against the idea of selling high on Isaiah if we could get a big haul, but man are we going to be painful to watch for the rest of the season without him.

Oh it'd be brutal. I only would do it if you can add a foundational peice.

Adding a foundational guy to stick next to smart crowder and KO without giving up the Brooklyn pick would be huge for the rebuild.

[LilRip]

i don't know if this was brought up in the thread since I haven't gone through it, but earlier in the season, I proposed a Noel for IT4 trade. Of course, if we do that, we'll likely be kissing our playoff hopes goodbye since our already shaky offense would become even worse. But at least we get to keep all our picks (for a possible future deal), while adding a terrific core piece (in my eyes) to go along with Smart.

I don't know if Philly bites though, particularly since they just acquired Ish Smith who has been quite good this year.

[Ilikesports17]

i don't know if this was brought up in the thread since I haven't gone through it, but earlier in the season, I proposed a Noel for IT4 trade. Of course, if we do that, we'll likely be kissing our playoff hopes goodbye since our already shaky offense would become even worse. But at least we get to keep all our picks (for a possible future deal), while adding a terrific core piece (in my eyes) to go along with Smart.

I don't know if Philly bites though, particularly since they just acquired Ish Smith who has been quite good this year.

It'd take more than just IT

[oldtype]

i don't know if this was brought up in the thread since I haven't gone through it, but earlier in the season, I proposed a Noel for IT4 trade. Of course, if we do that, we'll likely be kissing our playoff hopes goodbye since our already shaky offense would become even worse. But at least we get to keep all our picks (for a possible future deal), while adding a terrific core piece (in my eyes) to go along with Smart.

I don't know if Philly bites though, particularly since they just acquired Ish Smith who has been quite good this year.

It'd take more than just IT

I don't think the idea is completely farfetched, particularly if IT makes his first all-start appearance this year. Of course, this assumes that philly has any intention of being good next year.

[walker834]

I don't see where trading isaiah makes sense.  He is on a good contract and one of the few scorers we have.  We need more players like him not less.

[oldtype]

I don't see where trading isaiah makes sense.  He is on a good contract and one of the few scorers we have.  We need more players like him not less.

It might make sense given that he's only on that good contrace for two more years and we are unlikely to have a championship caliber team before then. I love IT but I have no intention of paying him the max two years down the road.

[mctyson]

At the very least, I expect to see one of the expiring deals and at least 1 first round draft pick gone at the deadline for a wing player that can slash to the basket and/or shoot 3s

Problem is that almost every team in the league needs guys who fit this description and they are in short supply.

Jae Crowder?

We need two Jae Crowder's.  That's a fact.

[Ilikesports17]

I don't see where trading isaiah makes sense.  He is on a good contract and one of the few scorers we have.  We need more players like him not less.

If you want to get something you need to give something up.

Isaiah is a really good player on a really good contract making him valuable.

Same with AB. Its not that people dont like AB or IT. I like both. The difference is, the way I see it we have 5 valuable trade  chips.

Smart, Thomas, Bradley, Crowder, Brooklyn '16

and a few kinda valuable chips
Olynyk, others firsts, Hunter Mickey etc.

The rest of the squad is really not particularly valuable. I mean Amir and Sully could probably get you something of value but not much at all.

If I can move a valuable piece or 2 in conjunction with some kinda valuable pieces to get a foundational piece, then Id much rather move IT or AB then brooklyn '16, Smart, or Crowder.

for me I only move Thomas if I get a player who I think could be a star in this league.

[mctyson]

Thomas and Bradley are going nowhere.  The chance of us getting upgrades at either of those two positions, either via trade, FA, or draft, is low.  They are on very cap-friendly contracts. 

Sullinger is a different story.  Someone is going to offer him double-digits in FA.  I don't think we can or should match that given his condition and his lack of consistency on offense.  If we are not going to sign him he should be traded, just like Rondo.

Having said that....

The team is on a 43 win pace after losing 4 of 5.  Just prior to that they were near a 46 win pace, or just around where everyone thought they would be this year.  Now is not the time to panic, but is the time to demand results.

[Ilikesports17]

considering that there's a ton of buyers and no sellers, Boston should consider selling.

I agree. We have guys who we could probably be overpaid for due to our depth. I wouldn't mind moving anyone but Smart, Crowder, and probably KO.

Yup.  Selling high on Thomas isn't a bad idea right now.   Same with Bradley.   If you can get anything for Sully, you should get it... I don't want to pay him.   I also wonder if you could get some value for Evan Turner.

If you sold Thomas now, then let the Evan Turner show commence I wouldnt be surprised if you got something. I also wouldnt be surprised if the Evan Turner show drives his value down.

[Ilikesports17]

Thomas and Bradley are going nowhere.  The chance of us getting upgrades at either of those two positions, either via trade, FA, or draft, is low.  They are on very cap-friendly contracts. 

Sullinger is a different story.  Someone is going to offer him double-digits in FA.  I don't think we can or should match that given his condition and his lack of consistency on offense.  If we are not going to sign him he should be traded, just like Rondo.

Having said that....

The team is on a 43 win pace after losing 4 of 5.  Just prior to that they were near a 46 win pace, or just around where everyone thought they would be this year.  Now is not the time to panic, but is the time to demand results.

Ok but again, where is the value?

Sully is going to get overpaid this offseason, I agree, but you arent going to get anything of value for him at this point in the year.

Also Sully is our only good rebounder and our only strong player down low. Without Sully I think we would have tremendous trouble rebounding the ball.

I think he is more valuable to us, then nearly any other team. If you move him you make us a decent amount worse, kill us in games against the Cavs, Bulls or any other team that has good bigs and dont get anything in return.

If you move AB or IT the hit on the team is bigger, much bigger, but you actually get value and you have players like ET, Smart, Rozier, Hunter, and Young who could step up and grow in that position with either of them gone.

With Sully you just would move Mickey one notch up the rotation, not really allowing him to flourish.

Im not saying we must trade Thomas or Bradley, but I think trading Sully is dumb unless it comes in conjunction with other moves or brings us a bigtime rebounder.