Sixers' players parents heckling/criticizing organization

[MBunge]

Nik is just playing in his second year, being the 8th pick in last years draft. As of right now he has his ups and downs, as is to be expected of any young player, but the potential is still there to be an effective scorer in this league. Just look at the type of production he had during the clippers game: http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400828392
Its clearly evident that Nik has a great future in the NBA, and Kendall at best is a second or third option the arguably worst team in NBA history.

I don't think it's clearly evident that a guy whose calling card is shooting but has career percentages of .359/.311/.796 has any kind of future in the NBA.

Did you intentionally add the "calling card is shooting" bit to shelter you from the rebuttal that Marcus Smart is shooting 34%/22%/70%?

This is kind of pathetic. Stauskas averages 1.2 turnovers and 1.7 assists. His defense has repeatedly been blasted by Brown

http://articles.philly.com/2015-12-16/sports/69065473_1_brett-brown-nik-stauskas-nerlens-noel
http://articles.philly.com/2015-11-18/sports/68356892_1_brett-brown-nik-stauskas-raft

He is possibly the worst rotation player in the NBA this season. He is supposed to decent at one thing and he hasn't been able to do that. You use that as a segway to bring in Marcus Smart's shooting percentages? Again, absolutely pathetic.

He is 302nd out of 324 qualified players for PER rating at 7.68

And he's coming off a game with 18 points, 4 rebounds and 3 assists with 6-8 shooting from three.

So it will be interesting to see if he finds a rhythm.

You have to know more about basketball based on how much you post here than you have exhibited in your last couple of posts...

What do you know about basketball? 

Not a question that should ever be asked by someone who wrote an enthusiastic post about the amazing potential of Anthony Bennett.

Mike

I liked Bennett's potential more than what was available at #16.   I'm still not sure Rozier has more potential than Anthony Bennett.  At best, it's a toss-up. 

Here's who you actually compared Bennett to...

"I mean, who are we taking at #16?... Frank Kaminsky or something? (12th in Draftexpress's mock draft).   Frank Kaminsky and Anthony Bennett are a month apart in age.  Are you seriously more confident in the ceiling of someone like Kaminsky over Anthony Bennett?"

I'm not a big Kaminsky fan but, yes, I'd have a lot more confidence in the ceiling of the national player of the year in college vs. a guy who has actually played in the NBA and been a complete bust.

And right now, I'd say Rozier also has a higher ceiling than Bennett because multiple teams haven't already looked at him and decided he sucks.

Mike

Kaminsky's name was picked at random. He went 9th.  You can't use hindsight in something like this.  We reached for rozier at 16.  Who's to say who will have a better career between him and Bennett. They both suck right now.

1.  You're the guy who uses five game stretches to declare a player's greatness.

2.  Rozier is still on his first team.  Bennett was the #1 pick in the 2013 draft and is currently averaging 5 minutes a game for his third team in three years.  One has clearly shown more suckitude than the other.

Mike

[LarBrd33]

Nik is just playing in his second year, being the 8th pick in last years draft. As of right now he has his ups and downs, as is to be expected of any young player, but the potential is still there to be an effective scorer in this league. Just look at the type of production he had during the clippers game: http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400828392
Its clearly evident that Nik has a great future in the NBA, and Kendall at best is a second or third option the arguably worst team in NBA history.

I don't think it's clearly evident that a guy whose calling card is shooting but has career percentages of .359/.311/.796 has any kind of future in the NBA.

Did you intentionally add the "calling card is shooting" bit to shelter you from the rebuttal that Marcus Smart is shooting 34%/22%/70%?

This is kind of pathetic. Stauskas averages 1.2 turnovers and 1.7 assists. His defense has repeatedly been blasted by Brown

http://articles.philly.com/2015-12-16/sports/69065473_1_brett-brown-nik-stauskas-nerlens-noel
http://articles.philly.com/2015-11-18/sports/68356892_1_brett-brown-nik-stauskas-raft

He is possibly the worst rotation player in the NBA this season. He is supposed to decent at one thing and he hasn't been able to do that. You use that as a segway to bring in Marcus Smart's shooting percentages? Again, absolutely pathetic.

He is 302nd out of 324 qualified players for PER rating at 7.68

And he's coming off a game with 18 points, 4 rebounds and 3 assists with 6-8 shooting from three.

So it will be interesting to see if he finds a rhythm.

You have to know more about basketball based on how much you post here than you have exhibited in your last couple of posts...

What do you know about basketball? 

Not a question that should ever be asked by someone who wrote an enthusiastic post about the amazing potential of Anthony Bennett.

Mike

I liked Bennett's potential more than what was available at #16.   I'm still not sure Rozier has more potential than Anthony Bennett.  At best, it's a toss-up. 

Here's who you actually compared Bennett to...

"I mean, who are we taking at #16?... Frank Kaminsky or something? (12th in Draftexpress's mock draft).   Frank Kaminsky and Anthony Bennett are a month apart in age.  Are you seriously more confident in the ceiling of someone like Kaminsky over Anthony Bennett?"

I'm not a big Kaminsky fan but, yes, I'd have a lot more confidence in the ceiling of the national player of the year in college vs. a guy who has actually played in the NBA and been a complete bust.

And right now, I'd say Rozier also has a higher ceiling than Bennett because multiple teams haven't already looked at him and decided he sucks.

Mike

Kaminsky's name was picked at random. He went 9th.  You can't use hindsight in something like this.  We reached for rozier at 16.  Who's to say who will have a better career between him and Bennett. They both suck right now.

1.  You're the guy who uses five game stretches to declare a player's greatness.

2.  Rozier is still on his first team.  Bennett was the #1 pick in the 2013 draft and is currently averaging 5 minutes a game for his third team in three years.  One has clearly shown more suckitude than the other.

Mike

1. wut
2. Bennett has shown more in the NBA than Rozier has at this point.  *shrug*

[celticsclay]

Nik is just playing in his second year, being the 8th pick in last years draft. As of right now he has his ups and downs, as is to be expected of any young player, but the potential is still there to be an effective scorer in this league. Just look at the type of production he had during the clippers game: http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400828392
Its clearly evident that Nik has a great future in the NBA, and Kendall at best is a second or third option the arguably worst team in NBA history.

I don't think it's clearly evident that a guy whose calling card is shooting but has career percentages of .359/.311/.796 has any kind of future in the NBA.

Did you intentionally add the "calling card is shooting" bit to shelter you from the rebuttal that Marcus Smart is shooting 34%/22%/70%?

This is kind of pathetic. Stauskas averages 1.2 turnovers and 1.7 assists. His defense has repeatedly been blasted by Brown

http://articles.philly.com/2015-12-16/sports/69065473_1_brett-brown-nik-stauskas-nerlens-noel
http://articles.philly.com/2015-11-18/sports/68356892_1_brett-brown-nik-stauskas-raft

He is possibly the worst rotation player in the NBA this season. He is supposed to decent at one thing and he hasn't been able to do that. You use that as a segway to bring in Marcus Smart's shooting percentages? Again, absolutely pathetic.

He is 302nd out of 324 qualified players for PER rating at 7.68

And he's coming off a game with 18 points, 4 rebounds and 3 assists with 6-8 shooting from three.

So it will be interesting to see if he finds a rhythm.

You have to know more about basketball based on how much you post here than you have exhibited in your last couple of posts...

What do you know about basketball? 

Not a question that should ever be asked by someone who wrote an enthusiastic post about the amazing potential of Anthony Bennett.

Mike

I liked Bennett's potential more than what was available at #16.   I'm still not sure Rozier has more potential than Anthony Bennett.  At best, it's a toss-up. 

Here's who you actually compared Bennett to...

"I mean, who are we taking at #16?... Frank Kaminsky or something? (12th in Draftexpress's mock draft).   Frank Kaminsky and Anthony Bennett are a month apart in age.  Are you seriously more confident in the ceiling of someone like Kaminsky over Anthony Bennett?"

I'm not a big Kaminsky fan but, yes, I'd have a lot more confidence in the ceiling of the national player of the year in college vs. a guy who has actually played in the NBA and been a complete bust.

And right now, I'd say Rozier also has a higher ceiling than Bennett because multiple teams haven't already looked at him and decided he sucks.

Mike

Kaminsky's name was picked at random. He went 9th.  You can't use hindsight in something like this.  We reached for rozier at 16.  Who's to say who will have a better career between him and Bennett. They both suck right now.

It's actually mildly hilarious that I randomly picked Kaminsky's name, because it highlights how true my point was... #16 was a crap shoot.  It was so much of a crapshoot that we attempted to give up #16 + #28 + a Brooklyn 1st + another future 1st + two 2nd rounders just to move up to #9, but the Hornets felt Kaminsky was worth more than all of that combined.    Tells you how valuable #16 was... and hopefully explains why I was willing to entertain the idea of trading it for someone like Nik Stauskas or even possibly Anthony Bennett.   We ended up with Terry Rozier ... and while he might have a future, he's currently averaging 1.7 points, 1 rebound, 0.6 assists, 0 blocks and 0 steals with 26% shooting and 18% from three.    Yeah, I'd still rather have Stauskas.  Rozier and Bennett are a toss-up, I guess... Bennett averaging 1.9 points, 1.7 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 blocks, 0.3 steals with 26% shooting and 18% from three.  Bout even.  Just depends on who you think has the best "tools" and who is more likely to eventually figure it out.

Wait are you seriously trying to use Rozier's averages in 96 minutes of playing time and 6 minutes per appearance in the NBA to prove something? Please step away from the statistics, you are not ready to use them! You are really making a fool of yourself in this thread. You throw out some bizarre misguided 5 game stretch on Stauskas for turning the corner because he had one game where he hit 6 three pointers. Then don't respond when it is pointed out that he had more turnovers than field goals in three of those games. Then you start throwing out a few minutes of garbage time for Rozier where he has averaged 6 minutes of playing time as a referendum on his future. What is the point of all this nonsense? At the very least stop twisting statistics

He is averaging 18 and 9 in the d-league?

[LarBrd33]

Nik is just playing in his second year, being the 8th pick in last years draft. As of right now he has his ups and downs, as is to be expected of any young player, but the potential is still there to be an effective scorer in this league. Just look at the type of production he had during the clippers game: http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400828392
Its clearly evident that Nik has a great future in the NBA, and Kendall at best is a second or third option the arguably worst team in NBA history.

I don't think it's clearly evident that a guy whose calling card is shooting but has career percentages of .359/.311/.796 has any kind of future in the NBA.

Did you intentionally add the "calling card is shooting" bit to shelter you from the rebuttal that Marcus Smart is shooting 34%/22%/70%?

This is kind of pathetic. Stauskas averages 1.2 turnovers and 1.7 assists. His defense has repeatedly been blasted by Brown

http://articles.philly.com/2015-12-16/sports/69065473_1_brett-brown-nik-stauskas-nerlens-noel
http://articles.philly.com/2015-11-18/sports/68356892_1_brett-brown-nik-stauskas-raft

He is possibly the worst rotation player in the NBA this season. He is supposed to decent at one thing and he hasn't been able to do that. You use that as a segway to bring in Marcus Smart's shooting percentages? Again, absolutely pathetic.

He is 302nd out of 324 qualified players for PER rating at 7.68

And he's coming off a game with 18 points, 4 rebounds and 3 assists with 6-8 shooting from three.

So it will be interesting to see if he finds a rhythm.

You have to know more about basketball based on how much you post here than you have exhibited in your last couple of posts...

What do you know about basketball? 

Not a question that should ever be asked by someone who wrote an enthusiastic post about the amazing potential of Anthony Bennett.

Mike

I liked Bennett's potential more than what was available at #16.   I'm still not sure Rozier has more potential than Anthony Bennett.  At best, it's a toss-up. 

Here's who you actually compared Bennett to...

"I mean, who are we taking at #16?... Frank Kaminsky or something? (12th in Draftexpress's mock draft).   Frank Kaminsky and Anthony Bennett are a month apart in age.  Are you seriously more confident in the ceiling of someone like Kaminsky over Anthony Bennett?"

I'm not a big Kaminsky fan but, yes, I'd have a lot more confidence in the ceiling of the national player of the year in college vs. a guy who has actually played in the NBA and been a complete bust.

And right now, I'd say Rozier also has a higher ceiling than Bennett because multiple teams haven't already looked at him and decided he sucks.

Mike

Kaminsky's name was picked at random. He went 9th.  You can't use hindsight in something like this.  We reached for rozier at 16.  Who's to say who will have a better career between him and Bennett. They both suck right now.

It's actually mildly hilarious that I randomly picked Kaminsky's name, because it highlights how true my point was... #16 was a crap shoot.  It was so much of a crapshoot that we attempted to give up #16 + #28 + a Brooklyn 1st + another future 1st + two 2nd rounders just to move up to #9, but the Hornets felt Kaminsky was worth more than all of that combined.    Tells you how valuable #16 was... and hopefully explains why I was willing to entertain the idea of trading it for someone like Nik Stauskas or even possibly Anthony Bennett.   We ended up with Terry Rozier ... and while he might have a future, he's currently averaging 1.7 points, 1 rebound, 0.6 assists, 0 blocks and 0 steals with 26% shooting and 18% from three.    Yeah, I'd still rather have Stauskas.  Rozier and Bennett are a toss-up, I guess... Bennett averaging 1.9 points, 1.7 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 blocks, 0.3 steals with 26% shooting and 18% from three.  Bout even.  Just depends on who you think has the best "tools" and who is more likely to eventually figure it out.

Wait are you seriously trying to use Rozier's averages in 96 minutes of playing time and 6 minutes per appearance in the NBA to prove something?

I don't know... are we seriously trying to use Bennett's averages in 58 minutes of playing time and 5.8 minutes per appearance this season to prove something?

And does their performance this year have anything at all to do with their potential?  Nope.

I thought trading #16 for Bennett was worth considering based on what I had seen of Bennett and what kind of garbage would be left on the board at #16.   I felt the same about potentially trading #16 for Stauskas.

Based on an almost non-existent sample size, I'd still be willing to trade the guy we took #16 (Rozier) for Stauskas...  I think Bennett vs Rozier is a toss-up at this point.  Rozier is a year younger, so I guess he is the smart choice, but I'd have to consider their tools and potential.

[celticsclay]

Nik is just playing in his second year, being the 8th pick in last years draft. As of right now he has his ups and downs, as is to be expected of any young player, but the potential is still there to be an effective scorer in this league. Just look at the type of production he had during the clippers game: http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400828392
Its clearly evident that Nik has a great future in the NBA, and Kendall at best is a second or third option the arguably worst team in NBA history.

I don't think it's clearly evident that a guy whose calling card is shooting but has career percentages of .359/.311/.796 has any kind of future in the NBA.

Did you intentionally add the "calling card is shooting" bit to shelter you from the rebuttal that Marcus Smart is shooting 34%/22%/70%?

This is kind of pathetic. Stauskas averages 1.2 turnovers and 1.7 assists. His defense has repeatedly been blasted by Brown

http://articles.philly.com/2015-12-16/sports/69065473_1_brett-brown-nik-stauskas-nerlens-noel
http://articles.philly.com/2015-11-18/sports/68356892_1_brett-brown-nik-stauskas-raft

He is possibly the worst rotation player in the NBA this season. He is supposed to decent at one thing and he hasn't been able to do that. You use that as a segway to bring in Marcus Smart's shooting percentages? Again, absolutely pathetic.

He is 302nd out of 324 qualified players for PER rating at 7.68

And he's coming off a game with 18 points, 4 rebounds and 3 assists with 6-8 shooting from three.

So it will be interesting to see if he finds a rhythm.

You have to know more about basketball based on how much you post here than you have exhibited in your last couple of posts...

What do you know about basketball? 

Not a question that should ever be asked by someone who wrote an enthusiastic post about the amazing potential of Anthony Bennett.

Mike

I liked Bennett's potential more than what was available at #16.   I'm still not sure Rozier has more potential than Anthony Bennett.  At best, it's a toss-up. 

Here's who you actually compared Bennett to...

"I mean, who are we taking at #16?... Frank Kaminsky or something? (12th in Draftexpress's mock draft).   Frank Kaminsky and Anthony Bennett are a month apart in age.  Are you seriously more confident in the ceiling of someone like Kaminsky over Anthony Bennett?"

I'm not a big Kaminsky fan but, yes, I'd have a lot more confidence in the ceiling of the national player of the year in college vs. a guy who has actually played in the NBA and been a complete bust.

And right now, I'd say Rozier also has a higher ceiling than Bennett because multiple teams haven't already looked at him and decided he sucks.

Mike

Kaminsky's name was picked at random. He went 9th.  You can't use hindsight in something like this.  We reached for rozier at 16.  Who's to say who will have a better career between him and Bennett. They both suck right now.

It's actually mildly hilarious that I randomly picked Kaminsky's name, because it highlights how true my point was... #16 was a crap shoot.  It was so much of a crapshoot that we attempted to give up #16 + #28 + a Brooklyn 1st + another future 1st + two 2nd rounders just to move up to #9, but the Hornets felt Kaminsky was worth more than all of that combined.    Tells you how valuable #16 was... and hopefully explains why I was willing to entertain the idea of trading it for someone like Nik Stauskas or even possibly Anthony Bennett.   We ended up with Terry Rozier ... and while he might have a future, he's currently averaging 1.7 points, 1 rebound, 0.6 assists, 0 blocks and 0 steals with 26% shooting and 18% from three.    Yeah, I'd still rather have Stauskas.  Rozier and Bennett are a toss-up, I guess... Bennett averaging 1.9 points, 1.7 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 blocks, 0.3 steals with 26% shooting and 18% from three.  Bout even.  Just depends on who you think has the best "tools" and who is more likely to eventually figure it out.

Wait are you seriously trying to use Rozier's averages in 96 minutes of playing time and 6 minutes per appearance in the NBA to prove something?

I don't know... are we seriously trying to use Bennett's averages in 58 minutes of playing time and 5.8 minutes per appearance this season to prove something?

And does their performance this year have anything at all to do with their potential?  Nope.

I thought trading #16 for Bennett was worth considering based on what I had seen of Bennett and what kind of garbage would be left on the board at #16.   I felt the same about potentially trading #16 for Stauskas.

Based on an almost non-existent sample size, I'd still be willing to trade the guy we took #16 (Rozier) for Stauskas...  I think Bennett vs Rozier is a toss-up at this point.  Rozier is a year younger, so I guess he is the smart choice, but I'd have to consider their tools and potential.

This is my last attempt to have any sort of reasonable conversation about this stuff with ou

1) I have never mentioned or discussed Bennett's averages this season
2) You mentioned a 5 game stretch for Stauskas with averages that included him hitting 6-8 threes in one game (that had extended garbage time)
3) I responded by point out that in three games preceeding this he had more turnovers than field goals and was 1-14 from 3)
4) You ignored this and moved on
5) You start posting Rozier's averages in 6 minutes of playing time

So do you want to have reasonable discussions about this stuff based on actual statistics?
Are you willing to acknowledge that by all reasonable measures Stauskas has been one of the worst NBA rotation players in the league this season? Or do we just want to keep side tracking the argument with 5 game stretches and nonsense statistics and waste everyone's time? It is up to you if you want to have reasonable conversations. However, in my opinion you have crossed the line from contrarian (which is an interesting view point) to filling the board with complete garbage lately. If you want to keep doing that, I wont engage with you. To be honest that would make the board a little more boring, so hopefully you can end some of this nonsense.

[LarBrd33]

So do you want to have reasonable discussions about this stuff based on actual statistics?

No thanks.  Stats are besides the point at this juncture.  Bringing them up is short-sighted and irrelevant... that was my point in countering irrelevant stats with irrelevant stats.  Bottom line:  I'd trade Rozier for Stauskas right now and it has nothing to do with how either have played this year.

TP, tho.   

Point was, OP said he had "no idea" why they continue giving minutes to Stauskas.   Dennis explained why.   Kid still has potential.  Gotta see if he finds a rhythm.   Will be interesting to see if he does.

[Who]

Redick did nothing his first 2 years in the league. Only came on late in 2nd half of 3rd season.

It's still too early to write Stauskas off. His offensive potential at least. Clearly he will always have defensive issues in the league.

[colincb]

Can't believe anyone's trying to defend Stauskas or Bennett at this point.

[BballTim]

Nik is just playing in his second year, being the 8th pick in last years draft. As of right now he has his ups and downs, as is to be expected of any young player, but the potential is still there to be an effective scorer in this league. Just look at the type of production he had during the clippers game: http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400828392
Its clearly evident that Nik has a great future in the NBA, and Kendall at best is a second or third option the arguably worst team in NBA history.

I don't think it's clearly evident that a guy whose calling card is shooting but has career percentages of .359/.311/.796 has any kind of future in the NBA.

Did you intentionally add the "calling card is shooting" bit to shelter you from the rebuttal that Marcus Smart is shooting 34%/22%/70%?

This is kind of pathetic. Stauskas averages 1.2 turnovers and 1.7 assists. His defense has repeatedly been blasted by Brown

http://articles.philly.com/2015-12-16/sports/69065473_1_brett-brown-nik-stauskas-nerlens-noel
http://articles.philly.com/2015-11-18/sports/68356892_1_brett-brown-nik-stauskas-raft

He is possibly the worst rotation player in the NBA this season. He is supposed to decent at one thing and he hasn't been able to do that. You use that as a segway to bring in Marcus Smart's shooting percentages? Again, absolutely pathetic.

He is 302nd out of 324 qualified players for PER rating at 7.68

And he's coming off a game with 18 points, 4 rebounds and 3 assists with 6-8 shooting from three.

So it will be interesting to see if he finds a rhythm.

You have to know more about basketball based on how much you post here than you have exhibited in your last couple of posts...

What do you know about basketball? 

Not a question that should ever be asked by someone who wrote an enthusiastic post about the amazing potential of Anthony Bennett.

Mike

I liked Bennett's potential more than what was available at #16.   I'm still not sure Rozier has more potential than Anthony Bennett.  At best, it's a toss-up. 

I'd still probably trade Rozier for Stauskas.   Maybe that comment ends up looking stupid... i dunno...  Stauskas is coming off a game with 18 points, 4 rebounds, 3 assists with 6-8 shooting from three.   Rozier is coming off a game with 0 points, 0 rebounds, 1 assist with 0-1 shooting.   At gunpoint, I'm takin Sauce Castillo.  Sue me.

  He's probably referring to something like:

  http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=72982.msg1718477#msg1718477

  "Shame about Wiggins and Bennett... both of them have really bright futures, imo.  I could see them both ending up stars.  Yes, even Bennett. "

[LarBrd33]

Nik is just playing in his second year, being the 8th pick in last years draft. As of right now he has his ups and downs, as is to be expected of any young player, but the potential is still there to be an effective scorer in this league. Just look at the type of production he had during the clippers game: http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400828392
Its clearly evident that Nik has a great future in the NBA, and Kendall at best is a second or third option the arguably worst team in NBA history.

I don't think it's clearly evident that a guy whose calling card is shooting but has career percentages of .359/.311/.796 has any kind of future in the NBA.

Did you intentionally add the "calling card is shooting" bit to shelter you from the rebuttal that Marcus Smart is shooting 34%/22%/70%?

This is kind of pathetic. Stauskas averages 1.2 turnovers and 1.7 assists. His defense has repeatedly been blasted by Brown

http://articles.philly.com/2015-12-16/sports/69065473_1_brett-brown-nik-stauskas-nerlens-noel
http://articles.philly.com/2015-11-18/sports/68356892_1_brett-brown-nik-stauskas-raft

He is possibly the worst rotation player in the NBA this season. He is supposed to decent at one thing and he hasn't been able to do that. You use that as a segway to bring in Marcus Smart's shooting percentages? Again, absolutely pathetic.

He is 302nd out of 324 qualified players for PER rating at 7.68

And he's coming off a game with 18 points, 4 rebounds and 3 assists with 6-8 shooting from three.

So it will be interesting to see if he finds a rhythm.

You have to know more about basketball based on how much you post here than you have exhibited in your last couple of posts...

What do you know about basketball? 

Not a question that should ever be asked by someone who wrote an enthusiastic post about the amazing potential of Anthony Bennett.

Mike

I liked Bennett's potential more than what was available at #16.   I'm still not sure Rozier has more potential than Anthony Bennett.  At best, it's a toss-up. 

I'd still probably trade Rozier for Stauskas.   Maybe that comment ends up looking stupid... i dunno...  Stauskas is coming off a game with 18 points, 4 rebounds, 3 assists with 6-8 shooting from three.   Rozier is coming off a game with 0 points, 0 rebounds, 1 assist with 0-1 shooting.   At gunpoint, I'm takin Sauce Castillo.  Sue me.

  He's probably referring to something like:

  http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=72982.msg1718477#msg1718477

  "Shame about Wiggins and Bennett... both of them have really bright futures, imo.  I could see them both ending up stars.  Yes, even Bennett. "

If you think that's funny that I thought Bennett could still end up a star back in June 2014, you should see what Cleveland thought of him in June 2013...  They literally took him 1st in the NBA draft.   Funny how opinions change.  As recently as June 2015, I was willing to consider giving up the #16 pick for Bennett. 

He's referring to this post where I admit it was a completely preposterous idea, but questioned if anyone would move the #16 pick for Anthony Bennett:  http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=78383.0

The premise was based on the assumption that whatever we ended up taking #16 would be a low potential crap-shoot... so why not gamble on a bust who could still conceivably have potential. 

58 minutes of NBA basketball hasn't really changed my opinion of Bennett's potential.  He probably will never get there.  Rozier probably will never get there either, though.

I later made a similar thread asking if anyone would move the #16 pick for Stauskas:  http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=78864.0

My rationalization for both is in there.   A handful of NBA games hasn't really proven or disproven any of those thoughts.   Both ideas were admittedly pretty ridiculous when I made them.  But I figured it was a fair question to ask.

FYI, I wasn't alone in thinking it was a plausible idea.  As Monkhouse put it:  "Stauskas is at least going to be better than half the players drafted at #16." ... and he still might.   Hence why Stauskas is getting minutes right now ... which should answer OP's question of "Why is Philly still giving Stauskas minutes".

[Eddie20]

Nik is just playing in his second year, being the 8th pick in last years draft. As of right now he has his ups and downs, as is to be expected of any young player, but the potential is still there to be an effective scorer in this league. Just look at the type of production he had during the clippers game: http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400828392
Its clearly evident that Nik has a great future in the NBA, and Kendall at best is a second or third option the arguably worst team in NBA history.

I don't think it's clearly evident that a guy whose calling card is shooting but has career percentages of .359/.311/.796 has any kind of future in the NBA.

Did you intentionally add the "calling card is shooting" bit to shelter you from the rebuttal that Marcus Smart is shooting 34%/22%/70%?

This is kind of pathetic. Stauskas averages 1.2 turnovers and 1.7 assists. His defense has repeatedly been blasted by Brown

http://articles.philly.com/2015-12-16/sports/69065473_1_brett-brown-nik-stauskas-nerlens-noel
http://articles.philly.com/2015-11-18/sports/68356892_1_brett-brown-nik-stauskas-raft

He is possibly the worst rotation player in the NBA this season. He is supposed to decent at one thing and he hasn't been able to do that. You use that as a segway to bring in Marcus Smart's shooting percentages? Again, absolutely pathetic.

He is 302nd out of 324 qualified players for PER rating at 7.68

And he's coming off a game with 18 points, 4 rebounds and 3 assists with 6-8 shooting from three.

So it will be interesting to see if he finds a rhythm.

You have to know more about basketball based on how much you post here than you have exhibited in your last couple of posts...

What do you know about basketball? 

Not a question that should ever be asked by someone who wrote an enthusiastic post about the amazing potential of Anthony Bennett.

Mike

I liked Bennett's potential more than what was available at #16.   I'm still not sure Rozier has more potential than Anthony Bennett.  At best, it's a toss-up. 

I'd still probably trade Rozier for Stauskas.   Maybe that comment ends up looking stupid... i dunno...  Stauskas is coming off a game with 18 points, 4 rebounds, 3 assists with 6-8 shooting from three.   Rozier is coming off a game with 0 points, 0 rebounds, 1 assist with 0-1 shooting.   At gunpoint, I'm takin Sauce Castillo.  Sue me.

  He's probably referring to something like:

  http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=72982.msg1718477#msg1718477

  "Shame about Wiggins and Bennett... both of them have really bright futures, imo.  I could see them both ending up stars.  Yes, even Bennett. "

Wow. I don't think someone could be more wrong about so many things if they tried. Player evaluations and team record predictions are clearly not his forte. To his credit, he continues offering misguided, yet highly confident opinions, despite his track record.

[Smitty77]

Nik is just playing in his second year, being the 8th pick in last years draft. As of right now he has his ups and downs, as is to be expected of any young player, but the potential is still there to be an effective scorer in this league. Just look at the type of production he had during the clippers game: http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400828392
Its clearly evident that Nik has a great future in the NBA, and Kendall at best is a second or third option the arguably worst team in NBA history.

I don't think it's clearly evident that a guy whose calling card is shooting but has career percentages of .359/.311/.796 has any kind of future in the NBA.

Did you intentionally add the "calling card is shooting" bit to shelter you from the rebuttal that Marcus Smart is shooting 34%/22%/70%?

This is kind of pathetic. Stauskas averages 1.2 turnovers and 1.7 assists. His defense has repeatedly been blasted by Brown

http://articles.philly.com/2015-12-16/sports/69065473_1_brett-brown-nik-stauskas-nerlens-noel
http://articles.philly.com/2015-11-18/sports/68356892_1_brett-brown-nik-stauskas-raft

He is possibly the worst rotation player in the NBA this season. He is supposed to decent at one thing and he hasn't been able to do that. You use that as a segway to bring in Marcus Smart's shooting percentages? Again, absolutely pathetic.

He is 302nd out of 324 qualified players for PER rating at 7.68

And he's coming off a game with 18 points, 4 rebounds and 3 assists with 6-8 shooting from three.

So it will be interesting to see if he finds a rhythm.

You have to know more about basketball based on how much you post here than you have exhibited in your last couple of posts...

What do you know about basketball? 

Not a question that should ever be asked by someone who wrote an enthusiastic post about the amazing potential of Anthony Bennett.

Mike

I liked Bennett's potential more than what was available at #16.   I'm still not sure Rozier has more potential than Anthony Bennett.  At best, it's a toss-up. 

I'd still probably trade Rozier for Stauskas.   Maybe that comment ends up looking stupid... i dunno...  Stauskas is coming off a game with 18 points, 4 rebounds, 3 assists with 6-8 shooting from three.   Rozier is coming off a game with 0 points, 0 rebounds, 1 assist with 0-1 shooting.   At gunpoint, I'm takin Sauce Castillo.  Sue me.

I do think we should be careful and FAIR and judge LrdBrd's comments in context.  After what Bennett showed in the summer league seems to justify that the kid has great potential.  Danny took a swing at #16 that simply SHOCKED (and disappointed) a LOT of us with Rozier.  Maybe Rozier will surprise us, but it is doubtful.

I know that LrdBrd is bombastic, but everyone seems to love to take his comments out of context and pile on a little bit much.  That is my only point.

Happy New Year to all!!

Smitty77

[Smitty77]

Can't believe anyone's trying to defend Stauskas or Bennett at this point.

Just as hard to believe that many here are defending Young (a clear low IQ player that will NEVER be great) and the drafting of Rozier at #16!!!

Smitty77

[Smitty77]

Nik is just playing in his second year, being the 8th pick in last years draft. As of right now he has his ups and downs, as is to be expected of any young player, but the potential is still there to be an effective scorer in this league. Just look at the type of production he had during the clippers game: http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400828392
Its clearly evident that Nik has a great future in the NBA, and Kendall at best is a second or third option the arguably worst team in NBA history.

I don't think it's clearly evident that a guy whose calling card is shooting but has career percentages of .359/.311/.796 has any kind of future in the NBA.

Did you intentionally add the "calling card is shooting" bit to shelter you from the rebuttal that Marcus Smart is shooting 34%/22%/70%?

This is kind of pathetic. Stauskas averages 1.2 turnovers and 1.7 assists. His defense has repeatedly been blasted by Brown

http://articles.philly.com/2015-12-16/sports/69065473_1_brett-brown-nik-stauskas-nerlens-noel
http://articles.philly.com/2015-11-18/sports/68356892_1_brett-brown-nik-stauskas-raft

He is possibly the worst rotation player in the NBA this season. He is supposed to decent at one thing and he hasn't been able to do that. You use that as a segway to bring in Marcus Smart's shooting percentages? Again, absolutely pathetic.

He is 302nd out of 324 qualified players for PER rating at 7.68

And he's coming off a game with 18 points, 4 rebounds and 3 assists with 6-8 shooting from three.

So it will be interesting to see if he finds a rhythm.

You have to know more about basketball based on how much you post here than you have exhibited in your last couple of posts...

What do you know about basketball? 

Not a question that should ever be asked by someone who wrote an enthusiastic post about the amazing potential of Anthony Bennett.

Mike

I liked Bennett's potential more than what was available at #16.   I'm still not sure Rozier has more potential than Anthony Bennett.  At best, it's a toss-up. 

I'd still probably trade Rozier for Stauskas.   Maybe that comment ends up looking stupid... i dunno...  Stauskas is coming off a game with 18 points, 4 rebounds, 3 assists with 6-8 shooting from three.   Rozier is coming off a game with 0 points, 0 rebounds, 1 assist with 0-1 shooting.   At gunpoint, I'm takin Sauce Castillo.  Sue me.

  He's probably referring to something like:

  http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=72982.msg1718477#msg1718477

  "Shame about Wiggins and Bennett... both of them have really bright futures, imo.  I could see them both ending up stars.  Yes, even Bennett. "

Wow. I don't think someone could be more wrong about so many things if they tried. Player evaluations and team record predictions are clearly not his forte. To his credit, he continues offering misguided, yet highly confident opinions, despite his track record.

Perhaps LrdBrd would have been close to correct IF the guard with the best defensive RPM and 10th best overall real plus minus for guards had not gotten injured.  His name is Rondae Hollis-Jefferson.  And to think he was taken at #23 and we could have had him instead of Terry Rozier at #16!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Smitty77

[Smitty77]

Nik is just playing in his second year, being the 8th pick in last years draft. As of right now he has his ups and downs, as is to be expected of any young player, but the potential is still there to be an effective scorer in this league. Just look at the type of production he had during the clippers game: http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400828392
Its clearly evident that Nik has a great future in the NBA, and Kendall at best is a second or third option the arguably worst team in NBA history.

I don't think it's clearly evident that a guy whose calling card is shooting but has career percentages of .359/.311/.796 has any kind of future in the NBA.

Did you intentionally add the "calling card is shooting" bit to shelter you from the rebuttal that Marcus Smart is shooting 34%/22%/70%?

This is kind of pathetic. Stauskas averages 1.2 turnovers and 1.7 assists. His defense has repeatedly been blasted by Brown

http://articles.philly.com/2015-12-16/sports/69065473_1_brett-brown-nik-stauskas-nerlens-noel
http://articles.philly.com/2015-11-18/sports/68356892_1_brett-brown-nik-stauskas-raft

He is possibly the worst rotation player in the NBA this season. He is supposed to decent at one thing and he hasn't been able to do that. You use that as a segway to bring in Marcus Smart's shooting percentages? Again, absolutely pathetic.

He is 302nd out of 324 qualified players for PER rating at 7.68

And he's coming off a game with 18 points, 4 rebounds and 3 assists with 6-8 shooting from three.

So it will be interesting to see if he finds a rhythm.

You have to know more about basketball based on how much you post here than you have exhibited in your last couple of posts...

What do you know about basketball? 

Not a question that should ever be asked by someone who wrote an enthusiastic post about the amazing potential of Anthony Bennett.

Mike

I liked Bennett's potential more than what was available at #16.   I'm still not sure Rozier has more potential than Anthony Bennett.  At best, it's a toss-up. 

I'd still probably trade Rozier for Stauskas.   Maybe that comment ends up looking stupid... i dunno...  Stauskas is coming off a game with 18 points, 4 rebounds, 3 assists with 6-8 shooting from three.   Rozier is coming off a game with 0 points, 0 rebounds, 1 assist with 0-1 shooting.   At gunpoint, I'm takin Sauce Castillo.  Sue me.

  He's probably referring to something like:

  http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=72982.msg1718477#msg1718477

  "Shame about Wiggins and Bennett... both of them have really bright futures, imo.  I could see them both ending up stars.  Yes, even Bennett. "

If you think that's funny that I thought Bennett could still end up a star back in June 2014, you should see what Cleveland thought of him in June 2013...  They literally took him 1st in the NBA draft.   Funny how opinions change.  As recently as June 2015, I was willing to consider giving up the #16 pick for Bennett. 

He's referring to this post where I admit it was a completely preposterous idea, but questioned if anyone would move the #16 pick for Anthony Bennett:  http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=78383.0

The premise was based on the assumption that whatever we ended up taking #16 would be a low potential crap-shoot... so why not gamble on a bust who could still conceivably have potential. 

58 minutes of NBA basketball hasn't really changed my opinion of Bennett's potential.  He probably will never get there.  Rozier probably will never get there either, though.

I later made a similar thread asking if anyone would move the #16 pick for Stauskas:  http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=78864.0

My rationalization for both is in there.   A handful of NBA games hasn't really proven or disproven any of those thoughts.   Both ideas were admittedly pretty ridiculous when I made them.  But I figured it was a fair question to ask.

FYI, I wasn't alone in thinking it was a plausible idea.  As Monkhouse put it:  "Stauskas is at least going to be better than half the players drafted at #16." ... and he still might.   Hence why Stauskas is getting minutes right now ... which should answer OP's question of "Why is Philly still giving Stauskas minutes".

I don't think I posted on those threads, but I was intrigued by getting Bennett for next to nothing just to see!!!

Smitty77