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I'd be Pro Draft if ...

C's look like a below .500/ 8 seed again and no one good is available at trade deadline.
C's have a worse record than last year at trade deadline.
Injuries make it impossible to make playoffs.
This is a flawed team they should be selling and tanking right now.
A losing streak of 6 or more games.
Other: See below (other is not a No its another reason please state)
IDK: select this if you can't think of what would sway you or if you are anti tank no matter what.

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What would it take for you to be Pro Draft?
« on: January 03, 2016, 12:33:11 PM »

Offline Csfan1984

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OK some call it tanking I like to call it being Pro Draft. Basically what would it take to convince you C's need to be a Pro Draft with the team this year. That is selling on any player that isn't on a rookie deal for Trade exemptions, Expiring deals, picks, or young players still on rookie deals. It doesn't have to be all our players but maybe 3 guys get moved enough to put C's in the bottom 10. IT, AB and Sully would probably have us drop badly. If you say Never just write it in a comment below. If you feel tank this year isn't needed because Nets don't play us enough to get them out of the lottery, comment that as well.

Edit add. Mod edited my poll so I took it a step further for him and Super winning priders. There is "other" and "IDK" options now. Count reset.
« Last Edit: January 03, 2016, 10:31:41 PM by Csfan1984 »

Re: What would it take for you to be Pro Draft?
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2016, 12:35:42 PM »

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You would have to convince me that we should abort mission on our current rebuilding plan.
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Re: What would it take for you to be Pro Draft?
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2016, 12:42:11 PM »

Offline Csfan1984

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You would have to convince me that we should abort mission on our current rebuilding plan.
Well that is easy. The team should trend up based on the slow build plan. If you have just one more loss than last year at deadline you know the slow build has failed to actually build upon the previous year.  Now injuries can be an excuse but so far only Smart has missed major time but he is a sophomore and a slump would equal missed time either way. So again C's have to be better at deadline than last year. If not it's a fail for the current roster.

Re: What would it take for you to be Pro Draft?
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2016, 12:46:12 PM »

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My heart loves this team but my head says we should have tanked last year. Acquiring IT was great, but will keep us close to .500 or better for years to come. He's just too good a scorer. Last year was the perfect time to do it but only if we ended up with Porzingis or Winslow really. So to answer your question I'm ProDraft right now but that's only because I realize how deep the '16 and '17 draft is. This years more deep but  the next 2 years have superstar potential at the top.

Re: What would it take for you to be Pro Draft?
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2016, 12:52:03 PM »

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I don't want to be Pro Draft but if no one is selling then maybe we should. I really don't want to be a 8 seed and get swept again. The League is all bunched up its easy to be a seller right now if we wanted to be.

Re: What would it take for you to be Pro Draft?
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2016, 01:03:58 PM »

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My heart loves this team but my head says we should have tanked last year. Acquiring IT was great, but will keep us close to .500 or better for years to come. He's just too good a scorer. Last year was the perfect time to do it but only if we ended up with Porzingis or Winslow really. So to answer your question I'm ProDraft right now but that's only because I realize how deep the '16 and '17 draft is. This years more deep but  the next 2 years have superstar potential at the top.
I don't think IT situation was handled right or Smart in that both should have sat more last year when injured. Had they done that C's are picking 8-10 and not getting swept. That would have been ideal to pick up an elite six man and a top ten pick.

Re: What would it take for you to be Pro Draft?
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2016, 01:22:20 PM »

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So, you're artificially making it seem like everyone wants to tank by not giving a "Nothing" option?
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Re: What would it take for you to be Pro Draft?
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2016, 01:28:48 PM »

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Any of the circumstances could warrant being "pro-draft" but I dont see any happening. For me, I think that Ainge should dangle Thomas and AB and some of our later picks for some young players. If he finds a deal that he thinks he would "win" I do it.

Some targets could be Jabari Parker, Nerlens Noel, Dario Saric, you could even include guys like Exum, Randle, Gordon, etc.

Now Im not saying that all these trades would follow the IT and AB for x and contract filler. Some would cost more and some might cost less. The point is that I dont think Sully, ET Zeller or any of the other expirings will get us anything substantial, but if you can add another young piece without losing Smart then you can jump from 2 valuable pieces (Smart and Brooklyn '16) to 4 valuable pieces.

Lets say we call Philly and we call Milwakee and offer both a combination of IT and AB for Parker or Noel.

If either take that deal, I say you go for it, because without IT and AB we become probably the worst offensive team arguably in the league. Our pick surely drops into the lotto and probably into the top 10.

Also it allows Hunter, Young, Rozier and Smart to take much bigger roles.

But for me. Unless we can add a bigtime talent at the deadline, I dont want the team to go "pro-draft"

Re: What would it take for you to be Pro Draft?
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2016, 01:35:50 PM »

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So, you're artificially making it seem like everyone wants to tank by not giving a "Nothing" option?
Read the post. And having that option wouldn't be answering the question technically.

Re: What would it take for you to be Pro Draft?
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2016, 01:45:20 PM »

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Only if the team is so bad that you would be willing to sell off any player, even if they are still on a rookie deal.
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Re: What would it take for you to be Pro Draft?
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2016, 02:19:59 PM »

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So, you're artificially making it seem like everyone wants to tank by not giving a "Nothing" option?
Read the post. And having that option wouldn't be answering the question technically.

I read the post, hence my comment.  You're giving people the option to disagree with you in posts, why not in the poll?

I can't think of any situation where I would be okay with trading guys like AB for pennies on the dollar just to slightly improve out pick (and don't try to say it could help our pick next year, short of going full 6ers we aren't likely to be worse than the Nets next year, not to mention that tanking would help the Nets)
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Re: What would it take for you to be Pro Draft?
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2016, 02:22:38 PM »

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Any of the circumstances could warrant being "pro-draft" but I dont see any happening. For me, I think that Ainge should dangle Thomas and AB and some of our later picks for some young players. If he finds a deal that he thinks he would "win" I do it.

Some targets could be Jabari Parker, Nerlens Noel, Dario Saric, you could even include guys like Exum, Randle, Gordon, etc.

Now Im not saying that all these trades would follow the IT and AB for x and contract filler. Some would cost more and some might cost less. The point is that I dont think Sully, ET Zeller or any of the other expirings will get us anything substantial, but if you can add another young piece without losing Smart then you can jump from 2 valuable pieces (Smart and Brooklyn '16) to 4 valuable pieces.

Lets say we call Philly and we call Milwakee and offer both a combination of IT and AB for Parker or Noel.

If either take that deal, I say you go for it, because without IT and AB we become probably the worst offensive team arguably in the league. Our pick surely drops into the lotto and probably into the top 10.

Also it allows Hunter, Young, Rozier and Smart to take much bigger roles.

But for me. Unless we can add a bigtime talent at the deadline, I dont want the team to go "pro-draft"

I wouldn't even really call that tanking, though.  It's a deal that you have to consider even if you don't have your own draft pick
I'm bitter.

Re: What would it take for you to be Pro Draft?
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2016, 02:24:15 PM »

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Any of the circumstances could warrant being "pro-draft" but I dont see any happening. For me, I think that Ainge should dangle Thomas and AB and some of our later picks for some young players. If he finds a deal that he thinks he would "win" I do it.

Some targets could be Jabari Parker, Nerlens Noel, Dario Saric, you could even include guys like Exum, Randle, Gordon, etc.

Now Im not saying that all these trades would follow the IT and AB for x and contract filler. Some would cost more and some might cost less. The point is that I dont think Sully, ET Zeller or any of the other expirings will get us anything substantial, but if you can add another young piece without losing Smart then you can jump from 2 valuable pieces (Smart and Brooklyn '16) to 4 valuable pieces.

Lets say we call Philly and we call Milwakee and offer both a combination of IT and AB for Parker or Noel.

If either take that deal, I say you go for it, because without IT and AB we become probably the worst offensive team arguably in the league. Our pick surely drops into the lotto and probably into the top 10.

Also it allows Hunter, Young, Rozier and Smart to take much bigger roles.

But for me. Unless we can add a bigtime talent at the deadline, I dont want the team to go "pro-draft"

I wouldn't even really call that tanking, though.  It's a deal that you have to consider even if you don't have your own draft pick
I agree. But it is the only scenario where I see us intentionally getting substantially worse this year.

Re: What would it take for you to be Pro Draft?
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2016, 02:35:41 PM »

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So, you're artificially making it seem like everyone wants to tank by not giving a "Nothing" option?
Read the post. And having that option wouldn't be answering the question technically.

I read the post, hence my comment.  You're giving people the option to disagree with you in posts, why not in the poll?

I can't think of any situation where I would be okay with trading guys like AB for pennies on the dollar just to slightly improve out pick (and don't try to say it could help our pick next year, short of going full 6ers we aren't likely to be worse than the Nets next year, not to mention that tanking would help the Nets)
Not in poll because the question is "What would it take". You can't answer never going be Pro Draft to answer, "what would it take to be Pro Draft". Get it? So I put answer in comments if you believe in never going Pro draft route. It's not artificial it's answering a question of a sum.

Re: What would it take for you to be Pro Draft?
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2016, 03:47:02 PM »

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So, you're artificially making it seem like everyone wants to tank by not giving a "Nothing" option?
Read the post. And having that option wouldn't be answering the question technically.

I read the post, hence my comment.  You're giving people the option to disagree with you in posts, why not in the poll?

I can't think of any situation where I would be okay with trading guys like AB for pennies on the dollar just to slightly improve out pick (and don't try to say it could help our pick next year, short of going full 6ers we aren't likely to be worse than the Nets next year, not to mention that tanking would help the Nets)
Not in poll because the question is "What would it take". You can't answer never going be Pro Draft to answer, "what would it take to be Pro Draft". Get it? So I put answer in comments if you believe in never going Pro draft route. It's not artificial it's answering a question of a sum.

All it seems like is a way to say "Look, everyone would approve of Tanking if I change the name of it!".  Add in that your definition involves moves that I (and probably others) would not want to do, and it's not really a good poll.  Get it?

I guess I'd say, then, that you need an option of "AB/IT/others have career ending injuries" or "Not if it involves selling off our good young players for nothing just because they are a year or two past their rookie deals"

The whole idea makes no sense, anyway.  It's not like we have a shot at the #1 pick from our spot this year, and tanking next year would help the Nets more than us, so why do it? Just keep on the path we're on
I'm bitter.