Forget about the Nets pick helping us get Simmons

[sdceltsfan]

Several people are dumping on Triboy for saying "the Nets don't suck," but I think he's not far off, meaning the Nets aren't as bad as many of us hoped or thought they'd be. Right now they're 10-25—a bad record, yes, but I thought they'd have only about 5 wins at this point (doesn't help that Boston sucked against them twice), and they've had several narrow defeats, so we're fortunate they haven't won even more.

I realize there's still a lot of time left and anything can happen, including another Lopez injury that would drastically decrease their chances of getting anymore wins, but they're also not far from having "only" the seventh- or eighth-worst record, which would undercut nearly all hope of landing Simmons.

You thought the Nets would be 5-30?

They are on pace for 23 wins and they just lost their starting PG for the year. Brook and Thad have yet to miss a game.

Also they've been pretty good in close games - they are 6-5 in games decided by 5 points or less, so it's not like their record is deceiving.

Right around that mark, yes. I thought they'd be absolutely awful—like, Philly bad. Clearly I was wrong—so far, at least, but if Lopez goes down, all bets are off.

Several people are dumping on Triboy for saying "the Nets don't suck," but I think he's not far off, meaning the Nets aren't as bad as many of us hoped or thought they'd be. Right now they're 10-25—a bad record, yes, but I thought they'd have only about 5 wins at this point (doesn't help that Boston sucked against them twice), and they've had several narrow defeats, so we're fortunate they haven't won even more.

I realize there's still a lot of time left and anything can happen, including another Lopez injury that would drastically decrease their chances of getting anymore wins, but they're also not far from having "only" the seventh- or eighth-worst record, which would undercut nearly all hope of landing Simmons.

Now that they've lost Jack, our chances of getting a top 5 pick look a lot better.

Still, the Nets are right there in a bunch with around 7 or 8 other teams, all within a handful of games of one another.  I have a feeling it's going to be stressful in the second half of this season watching all of those teams jockey with one another for draft position.

Yes, we've seen teams with a record outside the bottom 5 move up into the top 3.  But as noted above, the chances go down pretty precipitously once you move away from the bottom handful of teams.

Losing Jack hurts, but I see Lopez as the key to their entire season.

Which is why I think if we can cost-effectively get Lopez and not send them their picks back, he is not a bad candidate to consolidate some of our assets in a trade. Not a true "star", but a former All-Star, and at the Center position.

No way the Nets make it out of the bottom 5 if we send them expiring, one young prospect-type player and a couple picks to get this done. That is, assuming they value him that low...

[slamtheking]

Several people are dumping on Triboy for saying "the Nets don't suck," but I think he's not far off, meaning the Nets aren't as bad as many of us hoped or thought they'd be. Right now they're 10-25—a bad record, yes, but I thought they'd have only about 5 wins at this point (doesn't help that Boston sucked against them twice), and they've had several narrow defeats, so we're fortunate they haven't won even more.

I realize there's still a lot of time left and anything can happen, including another Lopez injury that would drastically decrease their chances of getting anymore wins, but they're also not far from having "only" the seventh- or eighth-worst record, which would undercut nearly all hope of landing Simmons.

You thought the Nets would be 5-30?

They are on pace for 23 wins and they just lost their starting PG for the year. Brook and Thad have yet to miss a game.

Also they've been pretty good in close games - they are 6-5 in games decided by 5 points or less, so it's not like their record is deceiving.

Right around that mark, yes. I thought they'd be absolutely awful—like, Philly bad. Clearly I was wrong—so far, at least, but if Lopez goes down, all bets are off.

Several people are dumping on Triboy for saying "the Nets don't suck," but I think he's not far off, meaning the Nets aren't as bad as many of us hoped or thought they'd be. Right now they're 10-25—a bad record, yes, but I thought they'd have only about 5 wins at this point (doesn't help that Boston sucked against them twice), and they've had several narrow defeats, so we're fortunate they haven't won even more.

I realize there's still a lot of time left and anything can happen, including another Lopez injury that would drastically decrease their chances of getting anymore wins, but they're also not far from having "only" the seventh- or eighth-worst record, which would undercut nearly all hope of landing Simmons.

Now that they've lost Jack, our chances of getting a top 5 pick look a lot better.

Still, the Nets are right there in a bunch with around 7 or 8 other teams, all within a handful of games of one another.  I have a feeling it's going to be stressful in the second half of this season watching all of those teams jockey with one another for draft position.

Yes, we've seen teams with a record outside the bottom 5 move up into the top 3.  But as noted above, the chances go down pretty precipitously once you move away from the bottom handful of teams.

Losing Jack hurts, but I see Lopez as the key to their entire season.

Which is why I think if we can cost-effectively get Lopez and not send them their picks back, he is not a bad candidate to consolidate some of our assets in a trade. Not a true "star", but a former All-Star, and at the Center position.

No way the Nets make it out of the bottom 5 if we send them expiring, one young prospect-type player and a couple picks to get this done. That is, assuming they value him that low...

yeah, that's not happening.  no way Brooklyn management would agree to a deal to make themselves worse where they didn't get at least 2 of their picks back.  Can't see them making a deal for just one unless it's the pick this year with 2 other picks that look good.

Unless Brooklyn gets something to help them rebuild they're not making a deal with anyone because there's no incentive for them to get worse.  They really won't make a deal with the C's that doesn't get them 2 of their 3 picks back.  Even a package of Lopez and Thad wouldn't be worth that.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I can't.

It's fun to root for the Nets losing. This is either a win or a jackpot situation for us. No matter what happens, we get a first round pick. I will however pay attention to the Nets as they could hold the key for us being title contenders again.

So, no.

[libermaniac]

What about something like:

Lee and whatever filler we have to make Salaries match + Boston 1st '16, Dallas 1st '16 and reverse the right to swap '17 for Lopez

This would essentially guarantee that the Nets get the 2nd worse record going into this year's lottery, might be enough to entice Brooklyn, but still likely won't be enough to make the '18 pick worthless.

[fairweatherfan]

Over the last 10 games the Nets have a .300 winning percentage.  This is in contrast to the rest of the season where they had...a .292 winning percentage.  Coming on strong!

[Quetzalcoatl]

Over the last 10 games the Nets have a .300 winning percentage.  This is in contrast to the rest of the season where they had...a .292 winning percentage.  Coming on strong!

Lol TP

[fairweatherfan]

Over the last 10 games the Nets have a .300 winning percentage.  This is in contrast to the rest of the season where they had...a .292 winning percentage.  Coming on strong!

Lol TP

Back at you but I just realized they'd lost another game since I checked the standings.  So .300 in the last 10 vs .280 before that. 

It's just a testament to how when you desperately want a team to lose every win feels like a major setback, but then you look and realize they're still losing enough to stay a bottom 5 team.

[manl_lui]

Because the Nets don't suck. Like I predicted they will be there for the 8th spot in the end of the year.

they are one Brook Lopez away from being a bottom 2 team :-p

[konkmv]

The nets picks are untradeable... could be 3 lottery picks..

[jambr380]

What about something like:

Lee and whatever filler we have to make Salaries match + Boston 1st '16, Dallas 1st '16 and reverse the right to swap '17 for Lopez

This would essentially guarantee that the Nets get the 2nd worse record going into this year's lottery, might be enough to entice Brooklyn, but still likely won't be enough to make the '18 pick worthless.

This only works if you want Brook Lopez here bad enough (which many don't), but it gives plenty of incentive to BKN going into next year totally in the toilet and basically guaranteeing a top 3 pick for themselves. I don't think you would have to give up both Bos and Dal 1sts this year, but you may need to include a young player like Young.

[spikelovetheCelts]

The nets picks are untradeable... could be 3 lottery picks..

I don't see anyone signing there because they want too with the cap explosion.

[nickagneta]

Over the last 10 games the Nets have a .300 winning percentage.  This is in contrast to the rest of the season where they had...a .292 winning percentage.  Coming on strong!

Another way of looking at it is over the last 11 games the Nets have a winning percentage of .273(3-8) and before that had a winning percentage of .292(7-17) so the Nets are actually playing worse recently. 

[Eddie20]

Because the Nets don't suck. Like I predicted they will be there for the 8th spot in the end of the year.

10-26 now

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Because the Nets don't suck. Like I predicted they will be there for the 8th spot in the end of the year.

10-26 now

Worst record only nets a 25% chance of winning the lottery. This isn't the NFL. As long as the Nets stay bottom 3, we got a shot.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Because the Nets don't suck. Like I predicted they will be there for the 8th spot in the end of the year.

10-26 now

Worst record only nets a 25% chance of winning the lottery. This isn't the NFL. As long as the Nets stay bottom 3, we got a shot.

I'm hoping the Nets stay there and someone pushes the Lakers out.