Forget about the Nets pick helping us get Simmons

[Eddie20]

Because the Nets don't suck. Like I predicted they will be there for the 8th spot in the end of the year.

Oh, Triboy...

http://www.nba.com/standings/team_record_comparison/conferenceNew_Std_Cnf.html


Nice prediction!

[tazzmaniac]

I really don't care if Brooklyn ends up with the 3rd worst record or the sixth, the odds of landing a top two pick from those positions isn't terribly different and, well, there's been a lot of times where picks 3-7 or so have ended up landing in the top 2.

As long as Brooklyn doesn't fall all the way to 9th worse record, I like our chances of landing a top 2 pick.

The 3rd worst record has 31% odds of a top 2 pick.  The 7th worst record only has 9% odds at a top 2 pick.  That is a substantial difference. 

[hwangjini_1]

I really don't care if Brooklyn ends up with the 3rd worst record or the sixth, the odds of landing a top two pick from those positions isn't terribly different and, well, there's been a lot of times where picks 3-7 or so have ended up landing in the top 2.

As long as Brooklyn doesn't fall all the way to 9th worse record, I like our chances of landing a top 2 pick.

The 3rd worst record has 31% odds of a top 2 pick.  The 7th worst record only has 9% odds at a top 2 pick.  That is a substantial difference.

true, the odds are not good. but cleveland and others pulled it off with a lot worse odds.

[SHAQATTACK]

It would easier to get Lopez ....

That would tank the nets out


Lopez is better than ANYBODY else the Celtics can bring in .....?  ..?

I want Noel ......but Lopez would really boost the Celtics game a bunch .

[guava_wrench]

Because the Nets don't suck. Like I predicted they will be there for the 8th spot in the end of the year.

What part of 10-23 do you not understand?

[max215]

The Nets are what they are: one of the 3-5 worst teams in the NBA. This one certainly hurts a lot, but no team, no matter how bad, goes 0-82.

[guava_wrench]

Nets are a savvy vet team and could easily win the next 4 out of 5 games etc.

They are way better than the 76ers. On the level if not better than the Kings (maturity wise).

I expect them to compete for the 8th spot.  Even if they come 9th-10th, chances of grabbing Simmons is really low

"They are way better than the 76ers" is an incredibly low bar that only guarantees them being the second worst record.

[guava_wrench]

I really don't care if Brooklyn ends up with the 3rd worst record or the sixth, the odds of landing a top two pick from those positions isn't terribly different and, well, there's been a lot of times where picks 3-7 or so have ended up landing in the top 2.

As long as Brooklyn doesn't fall all the way to 9th worse record, I like our chances of landing a top 2 pick.

The 3rd worst record has 31% odds of a top 2 pick.  The 7th worst record only has 9% odds at a top 2 pick.  That is a substantial difference.

Yeah, that was a major math fail.

[nickagneta]

I really don't care if Brooklyn ends up with the 3rd worst record or the sixth, the odds of landing a top two pick from those positions isn't terribly different and, well, there's been a lot of times where picks 3-7 or so have ended up landing in the top 2.

As long as Brooklyn doesn't fall all the way to 9th worse record, I like our chances of landing a top 2 pick.

The 3rd worst record has 31% odds of a top 2 pick.  The 7th worst record only has 9% odds at a top 2 pick.  That is a substantial difference.

Yeah, that was a major math fail.

i guess it's just a matter of perspective. When the best chance at landing a top two from the third position has you losing 69% of the time as compared to losing 87% of the time from the sixth slot I just don't see that as having some huge advantage. The odds are firmly stacked against you winning either way

[sdceltsfan]

Our best bet to insure the Nets tank, or at least stay in the bottom 5 where they currently are, is to trade for Brook Lopez.

Facts:
*Brooklyn has little to no way to rebuild their team. No big name free agents are going to want to sign there, after seeing how poorly mismanaged they are.

*Their best bet to rebuild is through the draft. But we own all their best picks for the next 3 seasons.

*The Celtics have more than enough picks to spare.....too many to retain on our roster for next season.

*Brooklyn has no incentive to tank as their next pick belongs to us

*Brook Lopez is their best healthy player remaining, and assumes quite a bit of their cap. It is only a 3 year deal

With all of this information, The Celtics (embarrassingly for the Nets) are likely their top trade candidate to assist them in having the ability to rebuild.

My proposed trade is:

David Lee or Amir Johnson (depending if BKN wants the younger, talented player in Johnson or not). Both deals can expire after this season, as Johnsons deal has a team option.

Tyler Zeller

Jonas Jerbeko

Dallas 1st round pick, Philly 2nd round pick, and we rescind the right to swap picks with the Nets in 2017.


Why for The Nets?
     
     They know they have a snowballs chance of making the playoffs any of the next 3 seasons, barring a miracle marquee FA signing. Trading Lopez contract and acquiring either Lee or Amir, gives them a lot more cap space to throw max-offers at whom they choose. They also acquire a serviceable big man in Zeller, and a rotational player in Jerbeko.
      Rather than having zero involvement in the 1st round of 2016, they now have a mid-first round pick, plus the sixers which is essentially a late 1st rounder as well. In the likely chance (which they are aware of) that they finish behind Boston again next season, they will at least get to keep their lottery pick. This portion of the deal is essentially a peace offering, and Boston will still have their own 2017 1st rounder.

Why for Boston?

Roster consolidation. We clear out some of the glut in the big-man rotation, and get an All-star caliber Center (when healthy, which he currently is). We take away the Nets top player this season, ensuring that they have virtually no chance of being anything better than a bottom-5 team. We acquire a legit starting CENTER, rather than a bunch of pretender PF's trying to play center. We still maintain cap-flexibility next season, as we then allow Lee to simply expire, or if it's Amir, we have the team-option to cut ties. This also free's up an end of the rotation role this season to see if Jordan Mickey is just a D-league fantasy, or if he offers NBA-level skills.


This won't be easy, to even get The Nets on the phone after the fleecing in the KG/PP trade. Either way, I think they will move Lopez to another team by the deadline.....this just is an idea to ensure that it happens.

Is this trade reasonable?

[KeepRondo]

I really don't care if Brooklyn ends up with the 3rd worst record or the sixth, the odds of landing a top two pick from those positions isn't terribly different and, well, there's been a lot of times where picks 3-7 or so have ended up landing in the top 2.

As long as Brooklyn doesn't fall all the way to 9th worse record, I like our chances of landing a top 2 pick.

The 3rd worst record has 31% odds of a top 2 pick.  The 7th worst record only has 9% odds at a top 2 pick.  That is a substantial difference.

I like 31 percent.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Several people are dumping on Triboy for saying "the Nets don't suck," but I think he's not far off, meaning the Nets aren't as bad as many of us hoped or thought they'd be. Right now they're 10-25—a bad record, yes, but I thought they'd have only about 5 wins at this point (doesn't help that Boston sucked against them twice), and they've had several narrow defeats, so we're fortunate they haven't won even more.

I realize there's still a lot of time left and anything can happen, including another Lopez injury that would drastically decrease their chances of getting anymore wins, but they're also not far from having "only" the seventh- or eighth-worst record, which would undercut nearly all hope of landing Simmons.

[PhoSita]

Several people are dumping on Triboy for saying "the Nets don't suck," but I think he's not far off, meaning the Nets aren't as bad as many of us hoped or thought they'd be. Right now they're 10-25—a bad record, yes, but I thought they'd have only about 5 wins at this point (doesn't help that Boston sucked against them twice), and they've had several narrow defeats, so we're fortunate they haven't won even more.

I realize there's still a lot of time left and anything can happen, including another Lopez injury that would drastically decrease their chances of getting anymore wins, but they're also not far from having "only" the seventh- or eighth-worst record, which would undercut nearly all hope of landing Simmons.

Now that they've lost Jack, our chances of getting a top 5 pick look a lot better.

Still, the Nets are right there in a bunch with around 7 or 8 other teams, all within a handful of games of one another.  I have a feeling it's going to be stressful in the second half of this season watching all of those teams jockey with one another for draft position.

Yes, we've seen teams with a record outside the bottom 5 move up into the top 3.  But as noted above, the chances go down pretty precipitously once you move away from the bottom handful of teams.

[snively]

Several people are dumping on Triboy for saying "the Nets don't suck," but I think he's not far off, meaning the Nets aren't as bad as many of us hoped or thought they'd be. Right now they're 10-25—a bad record, yes, but I thought they'd have only about 5 wins at this point (doesn't help that Boston sucked against them twice), and they've had several narrow defeats, so we're fortunate they haven't won even more.

I realize there's still a lot of time left and anything can happen, including another Lopez injury that would drastically decrease their chances of getting anymore wins, but they're also not far from having "only" the seventh- or eighth-worst record, which would undercut nearly all hope of landing Simmons.

You thought the Nets would be 5-30?

They are on pace for 23 wins and they just lost their starting PG for the year. Brook and Thad have yet to miss a game.

Also they've been pretty good in close games - they are 6-5 in games decided by 5 points or less, so it's not like their record is deceiving.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Several people are dumping on Triboy for saying "the Nets don't suck," but I think he's not far off, meaning the Nets aren't as bad as many of us hoped or thought they'd be. Right now they're 10-25—a bad record, yes, but I thought they'd have only about 5 wins at this point (doesn't help that Boston sucked against them twice), and they've had several narrow defeats, so we're fortunate they haven't won even more.

I realize there's still a lot of time left and anything can happen, including another Lopez injury that would drastically decrease their chances of getting anymore wins, but they're also not far from having "only" the seventh- or eighth-worst record, which would undercut nearly all hope of landing Simmons.

You thought the Nets would be 5-30?

They are on pace for 23 wins and they just lost their starting PG for the year. Brook and Thad have yet to miss a game.

Also they've been pretty good in close games - they are 6-5 in games decided by 5 points or less, so it's not like their record is deceiving.

Right around that mark, yes. I thought they'd be absolutely awful—like, Philly bad. Clearly I was wrong—so far, at least, but if Lopez goes down, all bets are off.

Several people are dumping on Triboy for saying "the Nets don't suck," but I think he's not far off, meaning the Nets aren't as bad as many of us hoped or thought they'd be. Right now they're 10-25—a bad record, yes, but I thought they'd have only about 5 wins at this point (doesn't help that Boston sucked against them twice), and they've had several narrow defeats, so we're fortunate they haven't won even more.

I realize there's still a lot of time left and anything can happen, including another Lopez injury that would drastically decrease their chances of getting anymore wins, but they're also not far from having "only" the seventh- or eighth-worst record, which would undercut nearly all hope of landing Simmons.

Now that they've lost Jack, our chances of getting a top 5 pick look a lot better.

Still, the Nets are right there in a bunch with around 7 or 8 other teams, all within a handful of games of one another.  I have a feeling it's going to be stressful in the second half of this season watching all of those teams jockey with one another for draft position.

Yes, we've seen teams with a record outside the bottom 5 move up into the top 3.  But as noted above, the chances go down pretty precipitously once you move away from the bottom handful of teams.

Losing Jack hurts, but I see Lopez as the key to their entire season.