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Prospects for Dallas and Celtics Own Pick
« on: December 23, 2015, 10:42:27 AM »

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I'm only assuming that both teams will be in the playoffs, so we'll basically have 2 picks within the 15-30 range. If we do not trade these picks away (however unlikely), here are some prospects that I think would be worth grabbing. I know that the common strategy at this range is Best Player Available, but I think it has to be Best Offensive Potential Available.
CBS has taught defense very well, and his schemes can be taught to a young player that lacks defense. We've even seen strides made from James Young, possibly the worst college defender I saw in that draft.

The ideal draft profile for me would be:
  • Natural Scorer/Shooter
  • At least an above-average athlete; elite would be nice
  • Between 6'6 - 6'9
  • Preferably a Wing/Swing for Brad
  • No more small guards, PLEASE

Players that fit some or most of this profile, in my big-board order:
  • Furkan Kormaz - Score-first lanky player with a good shot
  • Timothe Luwawu - The physical profile of Kawhi Leonard, with a good 3pt shooting %
  • Denzel Valentine - Swiss army knife player from the rugged MSU pedigree
  • Dwayne Bacon - Elite athlete with average shot
  • Caris Lavert - Experienced playmaker and scorer

I just gave a quick line about each player's strengths, but definitely check out some better draft profiles on them. I think there is solid value at this part of the lottery.
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« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2015, 11:00:58 AM »

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Ultimately I expect these picks to be moved do to lack of roster space. One possible situation is that the Cs draft Bender with the Nets picks and he stays over seas. Opening up room for the Cs to use the later pick/s.

One player I would target in this range would have to be Nigel Hayes. His size and skill set would be unique to this roster with Jerebko being the closest to matching him. Long term he may be a lower ceiling player but he should be a nice fit as a Big SF small ball PF.

Other then that I expect DA would have to look at draft and stash players.
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« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2015, 11:09:34 AM »

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It's still early but I'm still of the opinion that both of these picks can end up at the end of the lottery.  I do anticipate Danny combining these picks with the multitude of second rounders he has to move them up a few notches to get at a prospect he likes. 

still too early in the college season to lock in on any prospects -- particularly with the volatility of the standings in the league this season.  one small winning or losing streak by the C's radically changes where their pick is.

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« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2015, 11:13:52 AM »

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Agree with all points above.

Especially the picks are better as trade chips, than the actual players. Given that it will the start of season 4 of the CBS era, there is less of a need for young project to develop. Having any type of proven talent should be the first priority for these picks.
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« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2015, 11:30:49 AM »

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I personally don't want to see more than two rookies on the team.

My first choice would be to package the Dallas first with our first plus some seconds to move up. My second choice would be to trade one or both of these picks for 2017 picks (it is supposed to be a great draft).

Last year we saw how difficult it is to trade picks during the draft, so I'm going to assume we keep all three picks. Assuming we keep all 3, I want two players who will be on the roster next year and the third a foreigner who we can stash.

Although, I'd lie to see us add depth at the 3 my main concern is that the C's draft the highest upside player. With all quality depth we already have and all the picks coming our way in the future we can afford to swing for the fences because even if a pick fails we still have enough quality depth to get by.
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« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2015, 11:47:45 AM »

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I personally don't want to see more than two rookies on the team.

My first choice would be to package the Dallas first with our first plus some seconds to move up. My second choice would be to trade one or both of these picks for 2017 picks (it is supposed to be a great draft).

Last year we saw how difficult it is to trade picks during the draft, so I'm going to assume we keep all three picks. Assuming we keep all 3, I want two players who will be on the roster next year and the third a foreigner who we can stash.

Although, I'd lie to see us add depth at the 3 my main concern is that the C's draft the highest upside player. With all quality depth we already have and all the picks coming our way in the future we can afford to swing for the fences because even if a pick fails we still have enough quality depth to get by.

I agree with all of your points. Like you, I'm concerned about the idea that we will be able to use the later picks for currency. I probably shouldn't simply project last year's struggle into the future, but this does appear to be a top-heavy draft. And in the case that we can't, I'm a big fan of "swing for the fences." The last thing we need is another guy who will "add depth."

I'm not convinced, though, that Dallas will make the playoffs. I think that pick could very well be in the lottery. As could ours, for that matter. But I'd pick Dallas first.

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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2015, 11:54:10 AM »

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I like Korkmaz (he's a project though) and Ivan Rabb (he's redundant though)

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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2015, 12:25:36 PM »

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Outside the top 10, I'm interested in Korkmaz and Luwawu.

Team can use all the wings with size it can get.  Not all of them will pan out, but the more the merrier.  Both Korkmaz and Luwawu could be stashed overseas, too, which should be a good thing with all the picks the Celts have.


Plus, the Celts will likely have pick #31, which has significant value since it allows a team to draft a foreign guy who otherwise would not accept the 1st round contract scale.  Examples include Nikola Pekovic and Tibor Pleiss.
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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2015, 02:34:28 PM »

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Korkmaz is mediocore

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« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2015, 02:43:30 PM »

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Korkmaz is mediocore

He was 17 and competing in Euroleague last year, shooting 41% from 3.  You have an unusual definition of mediocre.  He's a long way away, but mediocre seems like some poor word choice.

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« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2015, 02:56:51 PM »

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I'm only assuming that both teams will be in the playoffs, so we'll basically have 2 picks within the 15-30 range.

Good post but I wouldn't make that assumption. I'll be surprised if both make the playoffs. The Cs are running 10th right now and the Mavs 5th but with the same record. I'm not so sure that 44 wins will make it in both conferences, especially the East (weird to say that!).
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« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2015, 03:22:21 PM »

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I'm only assuming that both teams will be in the playoffs, so we'll basically have 2 picks within the 15-30 range.

Good post but I wouldn't make that assumption. I'll be surprised if both make the playoffs. The Cs are running 10th right now and the Mavs 5th but with the same record. I'm not so sure that 44 wins will make it in both conferences, especially the East (weird to say that!).

If I had to guess right now, I'd say the Mavs and Celts each have like, a 2/3 chance of making the playoffs.  Totally non-scientific, of course.

So if you figure 2/3 chance for each, what's the chance they both make the playoffs?  4/9 or 44%.


I'd say you're right ... good chance one of those picks is in the late lottery.
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« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2015, 03:24:17 PM »

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Korkmaz is a wing... i suppose our main target from the draft is a wing...simmons brown ingramm.... we have crowder... is korkmaz better than those 4 guys????????? We should have 2 of them... He is mediocore

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« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2015, 03:28:55 PM »

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Stone bacon jones zimmermann blakeney rabb are better options

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« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2015, 03:35:34 PM »

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Korkmaz is a wing... i suppose our main target from the draft is a wing...simmons brown ingramm.... we have crowder... is korkmaz better than those 4 guys????????? We should have 2 of them... He is mediocore

Korkmuz plays the 2, or 3 in small lineups.  Those other guys play the 3, or 4 in small lineups.  No point in comparing.