Need to tank hard to ensure Simmons comes to Boston.

[MJohnnyboy]

this thread is disgusting. I get harassed for calling people bad fans, but come on. We are well into the season and over .500 with one of our best players out. This is not NBA 2k. A better title for this thread should be, "trade everyone for picks and simulate the season."

Some of you guys don't realize how lucky we are. We just very recently blew up a team that had won a title and now we are over 500 with a lot of guys with real upside a ton of picks, a good coach and a happy team. Yeah lets go mess with that for a very outside chance at a player that gives us no guarantee that we would be any better with him than what we have now.

There's no need to call anyone a bad fan. That's just uncalled for. However, I completely agree that threads like this are ridiculous. We are fine the way we are and things are more likely than not going to get better. The pro-tankers go off the premonition that "tanking" is fool-proof, and it really isn't. Playing the lottery in the NBA is more or less, playing the lottery. When you tank, you have to keep three things in mind:

1. You are competing with other teams who are also hoping to get the top pick in the draft. No matter how many times you lose or what cushy situation you are in, that doesn't mean you will automatically get it. We know that as Celtics fans. Tim Duncan anyone?
2. Even if you do get a top pick does not mean that guy is going to be an elite talent in the league. Way back when, people thought Derrick Williams, Evan Turner, and OJ Mayo were going to be stars in the league when they were drafted, and that wasn't the case was it? Though you do have the chance to get a Kevin Durant, there is also the chance you get a Greg Oden.
3. Even if say your pick pans out to be a special talent, we all know it takes more than one special talent to win in the NBA. Just because you nail your pick one year does not mean you're going to nail it the next one. Good examples of this are Kevin Love in Minnesota and Demarcus Cousins in Sacramento. Minnesota became a borderline playoff team but that was close as they got before they dealt him and had to rebuild AGAIN. Sacramento has stayed in the irrelevant zone and nothing has changed until they added talented players like Rudy Gay and Rajon Rondo where they could hypothetically make the playoffs.

Tankers like to point to OKC as proof that tanking will work. What I say to them is, 1. How many championships does OKC have? and 2. For every OKC, there is also Sacramento, Washington, Minnesota, Charlotte, and plenty of others who have spent years in the lottery and have come up short until some of them finally nailed their selection, and those that haven't done so have to wait until they do.

The Celtics have rebuilt quicker than we expected, and some point to Danny making the "wrong moves" when really he's made basically all the best moves he can make at this point post KG-trade. They are blaming the wrong guy in their mindset. The guy they should blame is our head coach. Brad Stevens is a wizard and makes this team as good as it is. No matter how well we may be playing, the matter of the fact is the Celtics don't have any elite talent on their roster and shouldn't be this good on paper, but Brad makes this team overachieve exponentially. On paper, the C's shouldn't be any better than Portland right now, but they are much better because of Brad. He's absolutely the ideal coach for this team going forward, and I hope we never lose him. If tankers want the Celtics to start tanking, they're going to have advocate for Danny to fire Brad for that to happen, and if anyone wants Brad fired, then they are total idiots.

The reason why I bring this up is because if say Danny does blow this team up the way it's currently constructed, it sends a message that Danny completely disregards all the work that Brad has done. You think Brad is going to be happy with Danny getting rid of what he's built? Go through more frustrating losses? The league already knows how good of a coach Brad is considering the praise he's gotten from other coaches. If Danny does this, what's to stop Brad from ditching the Celtics to go coach another team that has more talent and won't get rid of guys that will help them win (Like say, Minnesota).

The Celtics will be fine. They have an ace in the hole with Brooklyn forking over their picks for the next three years. They are not a contender, but they have the assets to become one. Just give it some time.

[Celtics4ever]

NJ is doing our tanking for us, this year.   How can people not comprehend that?

[KGs Knee]

NJ is doing our tanking for us, this year.   How can people not comprehend that?

How can you not comprehend that the Nets haven't played in New Jersey for a few years now?

[Future Celtics Owner]

this thread is disgusting. I get harassed for calling people bad fans, but come on. We are well into the season and over .500 with one of our best players out. This is not NBA 2k. A better title for this thread should be, "trade everyone for picks and simulate the season."

Some of you guys don't realize how lucky we are. We just very recently blew up a team that had won a title and now we are over 500 with a lot of guys with real upside a ton of picks, a good coach and a happy team. Yeah lets go mess with that for a very outside chance at a player that gives us no guarantee that we would be any better with him than what we have now.

There's no need to call anyone a bad fan. That's just uncalled for. However, I completely agree that threads like this are ridiculous. We are fine the way we are and things are more likely than not going to get better. The pro-tankers go off the premonition that "tanking" is fool-proof, and it really isn't. Playing the lottery in the NBA is more or less, playing the lottery. When you tank, you have to keep three things in mind:

1. You are competing with other teams who are also hoping to get the top pick in the draft. No matter how many times you lose or what cushy situation you are in, that doesn't mean you will automatically get it. We know that as Celtics fans. Tim Duncan anyone?
2. Even if you do get a top pick does not mean that guy is going to be an elite talent in the league. Way back when, people thought Derrick Williams, Evan Turner, and OJ Mayo were going to be stars in the league when they were drafted, and that wasn't the case was it? Though you do have the chance to get a Kevin Durant, there is also the chance you get a Greg Oden.
3. Even if say your pick pans out to be a special talent, we all know it takes more than one special talent to win in the NBA. Just because you nail your pick one year does not mean you're going to nail it the next one. Good examples of this are Kevin Love in Minnesota and Demarcus Cousins in Sacramento. Minnesota became a borderline playoff team but that was close as they got before they dealt him and had to rebuild AGAIN. Sacramento has stayed in the irrelevant zone and nothing has changed until they added talented players like Rudy Gay and Rajon Rondo where they could hypothetically make the playoffs.

Tankers like to point to OKC as proof that tanking will work. What I say to them is, 1. How many championships does OKC have? and 2. For every OKC, there is also Sacramento, Washington, Minnesota, Charlotte, and plenty of others who have spent years in the lottery and have come up short until some of them finally nailed their selection, and those that haven't done so have to wait until they do.

The Celtics have rebuilt quicker than we expected, and some point to Danny making the "wrong moves" when really he's made basically all the best moves he can make at this point post KG-trade. They are blaming the wrong guy in their mindset. The guy they should blame is our head coach. Brad Stevens is a wizard and makes this team as good as it is. No matter how well we may be playing, the matter of the fact is the Celtics don't have any elite talent on their roster and shouldn't be this good on paper, but Brad makes this team overachieve exponentially. On paper, the C's shouldn't be any better than Portland right now, but they are much better because of Brad. He's absolutely the ideal coach for this team going forward, and I hope we never lose him. If tankers want the Celtics to start tanking, they're going to have advocate for Danny to fire Brad for that to happen, and if anyone wants Brad fired, then they are total idiots.

The reason why I bring this up is because if say Danny does blow this team up the way it's currently constructed, it sends a message that Danny completely disregards all the work that Brad has done. You think Brad is going to be happy with Danny getting rid of what he's built? Go through more frustrating losses? The league already knows how good of a coach Brad is considering the praise he's gotten from other coaches. If Danny does this, what's to stop Brad from ditching the Celtics to go coach another team that has more talent and won't get rid of guys that will help them win (Like say, Minnesota).

The Celtics will be fine. They have an ace in the hole with Brooklyn forking over their picks for the next three years. They are not a contender, but they have the assets to become one. Just give it some time.

Playing the lottery. Well I could easily make a case that your doing the same thing. We traded 2 players from a team that won a championship in 2007. We never blew it up the way other teams have.
A ton of guys with real upside? I don't think you mean James Young RJ etc....probably KO Avery Sully Crowder IT and Smart: I think all but Smart has reached their prime/ceiling maybe a bit below for or or 2.
Your gambling that the BKN picks and other picks will help us significantly.

Celtics only count championships, no one cares that a team is .500 and "happy"( whatveer that means)

I think you have watched "The Mighty Ducks" too many times, or "Miracle on Ice". Great coach and hardworking team come together and win a championship. The guys no one wanted win it all! Except thats not the plan and thats not gonna get us much back offering backups for a star.

Think past the regular season and understand that the teams we beat now with depth will actually play defense , starting at the tip-off, and we will have to get to a 8-9 man rotation. Thats the part when we get swept. Even if cousins was magically added to our team now I doubt we win the championship....

So your calling this poster a bad fan and being so smug about it, but your more interested in having a "happy" team that is .500 forever. And you think it is going to be easy
 1)waiting for a star/ all-star to get disgruntled
 2)But he has to fit in our system
 3)propose a deal to get him
 4)the deal can not involve core players or anything that messes the team up/sets us back
 5)we have to have players remaining for backups/bench
 6)The other team has to approve the trade
 7) Other teams will likely be proposing trades for the disgruntled star
  He may not like Boston and depending on his contract could leave or
 9) We will have him give us some guarantee that he will resign/extend

Then we have to do the whole thing over again for a trade or FA, 18 variables.


I have no problem winning games, I just do not tolerate having an inflated record.

BTW you owe him an apalogy

[Future Celtics Owner]

this thread is disgusting. I get harassed for calling people bad fans, but come on. We are well into the season and over .500 with one of our best players out. This is not NBA 2k. A better title for this thread should be, "trade everyone for picks and simulate the season."

Some of you guys don't realize how lucky we are. We just very recently blew up a team that had won a title and now we are over 500 with a lot of guys with real upside a ton of picks, a good coach and a happy team. Yeah lets go mess with that for a very outside chance at a player that gives us no guarantee that we would be any better with him than what we have now.

There's no need to call anyone a bad fan. That's just uncalled for. However, I completely agree that threads like this are ridiculous. We are fine the way we are and things are more likely than not going to get better. The pro-tankers go off the premonition that "tanking" is fool-proof, and it really isn't. Playing the lottery in the NBA is more or less, playing the lottery. When you tank, you have to keep three things in mind:

1. You are competing with other teams who are also hoping to get the top pick in the draft. No matter how many times you lose or what cushy situation you are in, that doesn't mean you will automatically get it. We know that as Celtics fans. Tim Duncan anyone?
2. Even if you do get a top pick does not mean that guy is going to be an elite talent in the league. Way back when, people thought Derrick Williams, Evan Turner, and OJ Mayo were going to be stars in the league when they were drafted, and that wasn't the case was it? Though you do have the chance to get a Kevin Durant, there is also the chance you get a Greg Oden.
3. Even if say your pick pans out to be a special talent, we all know it takes more than one special talent to win in the NBA. Just because you nail your pick one year does not mean you're going to nail it the next one. Good examples of this are Kevin Love in Minnesota and Demarcus Cousins in Sacramento. Minnesota became a borderline playoff team but that was close as they got before they dealt him and had to rebuild AGAIN. Sacramento has stayed in the irrelevant zone and nothing has changed until they added talented players like Rudy Gay and Rajon Rondo where they could hypothetically make the playoffs.

Tankers like to point to OKC as proof that tanking will work. What I say to them is, 1. How many championships does OKC have? and 2. For every OKC, there is also Sacramento, Washington, Minnesota, Charlotte, and plenty of others who have spent years in the lottery and have come up short until some of them finally nailed their selection, and those that haven't done so have to wait until they do.

The Celtics have rebuilt quicker than we expected, and some point to Danny making the "wrong moves" when really he's made basically all the best moves he can make at this point post KG-trade. They are blaming the wrong guy in their mindset. The guy they should blame is our head coach. Brad Stevens is a wizard and makes this team as good as it is. No matter how well we may be playing, the matter of the fact is the Celtics don't have any elite talent on their roster and shouldn't be this good on paper, but Brad makes this team overachieve exponentially. On paper, the C's shouldn't be any better than Portland right now, but they are much better because of Brad. He's absolutely the ideal coach for this team going forward, and I hope we never lose him. If tankers want the Celtics to start tanking, they're going to have advocate for Danny to fire Brad for that to happen, and if anyone wants Brad fired, then they are total idiots.

The reason why I bring this up is because if say Danny does blow this team up the way it's currently constructed, it sends a message that Danny completely disregards all the work that Brad has done. You think Brad is going to be happy with Danny getting rid of what he's built? Go through more frustrating losses? The league already knows how good of a coach Brad is considering the praise he's gotten from other coaches. If Danny does this, what's to stop Brad from ditching the Celtics to go coach another team that has more talent and won't get rid of guys that will help them win (Like say, Minnesota).

The Celtics will be fine. They have an ace in the hole with Brooklyn forking over their picks for the next three years. They are not a contender, but they have the assets to become one. Just give it some time.

Playing the lottery. Well I could easily make a case that your doing the same thing. We traded 2 players from a team that won a championship in 2007. We never blew it up the way other teams have.
A ton of guys with real upside? I don't think you mean James Young RJ etc....probably KO Avery Sully Crowder IT and Smart: I think all but Smart has reached their prime/ceiling maybe a bit below for or or 2.
Your gambling that the BKN picks and other picks will help us significantly.

Celtics only count championships, no one cares that a team is .500 and "happy"( whatveer that means)

I think you have watched "The Mighty Ducks" too many times, or "Miracle on Ice". Great coach and hardworking team come together and win a championship. The guys no one wanted win it all! Except thats not the plan and thats not gonna get us much back offering backups for a star.

Think past the regular season and understand that the teams we beat now with depth will actually play defense , starting at the tip-off, and we will have to get to a 8-9 man rotation. Thats the part when we get swept. Even if cousins was magically added to our team now I doubt we win the championship....

So your calling this poster a bad fan and being so smug about it, but your more interested in having a "happy" team that is .500 forever. And you think it is going to be easy
 1)waiting for a star/ all-star to get disgruntled
 2)But he has to fit in our system
 3)propose a deal to get him
 4)the deal can not involve core players or anything that messes the team up/sets us back
 5)we have to have players remaining for backups/bench
 6)The other team has to approve the trade
 7) Other teams will likely be proposing trades for the disgruntled star
  He may not like Boston and depending on his contract could leave or
 9) We will have him give us some guarantee that he will resign/extend

Then we have to do the whole thing over again for a trade or FA, 18 variables.


I have no problem winning games, I just do not tolerate having an inflated record.

BTW you owe him an apalogy

CBS can not just walk away and join those teams. He would have to take a college job. And treating him like a baby is not the right attitude. He prob wants to win a championship more than anyone and in a few years if we are still treadmilling then ya he could/probably would leave. He has spent his entire career working with bench players/ rag tag teams and I think he deserves a couple stars to help him and give him the resources to destroy other teams

[cb8883]

The tank gained some steam last night. A Great loss to the Lakers and the Nets blew it vs Orlando! Only 3.5 back of LA now! The Celtics just need to win the next two games and go on a 10 game losing skid to kick start this tank. Get into a position where not even Ainge can screw this draft up. Just imagine where this team would be with Greek Freak Randle and Winslow over Banks 2.0 Olynyk and Rozier. I personally believe Ainge is significantly overrated and needs to go. I'd take Hinkie in a heartbeat.

JUST TANK BABY!

[nickagneta]

The tank gained some steam last night. A Great loss to the Lakers and the Nets blew it vs Orlando! Only 3.5 back of LA now! The Celtics just need to win the next two games and go on a 10 game losing skid to kick start this tank. Get into a position where not even Ainge can screw this draft up. Just imagine where this team would be with Greek Freak Randle and Winslow over Banks 2.0 Olynyk and Rozier. I personally believe Ainge is significantly overrated and needs to go. I'd take Hinkie in a heartbeat.

JUST TANK BABY!

Unreal! Where would the Celtics be with the Greek Freak, Winslow, and Randle? Probably no better or worse off than they are with the players they chose. Tanking guarantees nothing and right now your vaunted Sixers after years of tanking are the worst team in league history with little to no hope of turning things around anytime in the next 3-4 years.

Tanking doesn't work. Extended tanking not only doesn't work, it makes your team worse not better. The negatives outweigh the increased ping pong ball odds by a wide, wide margin.

You really need to accept that this team is more of a 45-50 win playoff team than they are a team looking to lose on purpose to land slightly better odds of wining a lottery ticket.

[SHAQATTACK]

We d have to tank the Nets would be the easiest way .

Buy Lopez .

That would sink them like a rock.

[MJohnnyboy]

CBS can not just walk away and join those teams. He would have to take a college job. And treating him like a baby is not the right attitude. He prob wants to win a championship more than anyone and in a few years if we are still treadmilling then ya he could/probably would leave. He has spent his entire career working with bench players/ rag tag teams and I think he deserves a couple stars to help him and give him the resources to destroy other teams

Regardless, my point is he can leave if he so chooses. I'm 100% with you that being middle of the pack is not the way to go at all. Heck, that's why Danny traded Antoine Walker because he felt the Pierce/Walker teams were as good as they were going to get: Above average but nothing special. However, intentionally losing with the hopes of getting an impact player might not be the better choice because it's not a given that the Celtics will get that impact player. Philly's been tanking for three years now and have steadily gotten worse despite that, in my opinion, they have been pretty savvy with collecting assets. Even if those assets pay off, that's still going to take a ton of time for it grow into something good. The Celtics on the other hand have positioned themselves where they can build a winning culture with their young players while also waiting to see if they can land that impact player to push them back to the glory days. I'm not even saying the Celtics plan is perfect. There is the chance the Brooklyn picks turn out to be duds or the Celtics don't get that superstar player, but I prefer this route that they are taking over tanking because they can play well and still have the chance to get a high-caliber player from the lottery.

[BballTim]

The tank gained some steam last night. A Great loss to the Lakers and the Nets blew it vs Orlando! Only 3.5 back of LA now! The Celtics just need to win the next two games and go on a 10 game losing skid to kick start this tank. Get into a position where not even Ainge can screw this draft up. Just imagine where this team would be with Greek Freak Randle and Winslow over Banks 2.0 Olynyk and Rozier. I personally believe Ainge is significantly overrated and needs to go. I'd take Hinkie in a heartbeat.

JUST TANK BABY!

  I'd guess you'd love Hinkle over Ainge. The team could suck 10 years in a row and you'd be thrilled each time because there's a draft chock full of unproven players coming along after each of those seasons.

[celticsclay]

I don't know this thread is allowed to be left open. It is basically a poster harassing and taunting Celtics fans after each loss. Nothing good will come of this thread and it has no place on a celtics forum. If there was feasible discussion of what our team direction that would be one thing, but that is not what this is.