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Re: Need to tank hard to ensure Simmons comes to Boston.
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2015, 10:38:58 AM »

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I think IT could generate some decent value on the trade market. Sullinger could get back at least a 2nd rounder. Banks  2.0 isn't playing and hasn't been good at all as I predicted early in the season. He will just never have an NBA level jump shot. Olynyk might be able to bring back a late 1st but he's also not good. Turner might be able to generate some interest. The logic behind this is not to focus on the return but focus on the goal of tanking properly in order to get the best player in the draft next year. Double the chance with both the Brooklyn picks and ours.

Simmons is the next LeBron and a once in a generational talent.

Makes no sense at all. This isn't fantasy basketball.

Exactly, even hypothetically if we were to get the 2nd and 3rd pick from Brooklyn and our own, whomever wins the lottery, still wouldn't trade us the pick because as you put it....he is a once in a generational talent.
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Re: Need to tank hard to ensure Simmons comes to Boston.
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2015, 11:00:39 AM »

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If Smart it so bad, why do we need to trade him in order to tank?
I'm bitter.

Re: Need to tank hard to ensure Simmons comes to Boston.
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2015, 11:06:27 AM »

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Re: Need to tank hard to ensure Simmons comes to Boston.
« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2015, 11:23:02 AM »

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Re: Need to tank hard to ensure Simmons comes to Boston.
« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2015, 11:34:46 AM »

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I could see this happening.... we lose three in a row and the TANK BIRDS are out in full force.

Re: Need to tank hard to ensure Simmons comes to Boston.
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2015, 12:13:10 PM »

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Should we tank? maybe
But in the way of playing rookies and trade the veteran, keep good assets, not trade anyone

Re: Need to tank hard to ensure Simmons comes to Boston.
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2015, 09:45:24 PM »

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If Smart it so bad, why do we need to trade him in order to tank?

I believe his name is Banks 2.0.  ;D

Re: Need to tank hard to ensure Simmons comes to Boston.
« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2015, 06:53:11 AM »

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I don't want to tank--ala, 6er's!  But would giving "significant minutes" to Rozier, RJ, Mickey, and Young, while fazing out Amir, DLee, and ET(maybe a couple others), be considered "tanking"?  I don't think so.  By all means, while using those youngsters, try your hardest to win and make the playoffs!  Don't TRY to lose.
Was noting that the Bulls were kind of forced to use BPortis the other day, cause of quad OT, and he came thru with great game(20 and 11).  First real minutes of the season!  Is that what Mickey could possibly deliver?  We'll never know at this rate.  We'll never know about any of our young players until they get a "real" chance.  It's NOT tanking!
We already know that we're not beating the Cavs, GSWs or Spurs four outta seven--c'mon admit it!  We usually play these teams tough, and sometimes get real close to getting "a win", but we're not winning a playoff series!  So let's try to improve by developing our youth.

Re: Need to tank hard to ensure Simmons comes to Boston.
« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2015, 07:41:08 AM »

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took a guess who the poster might be before opening the thread and guessed right.  smh

You did? I thought for sure it was gonna be the future Celtics owner. He's always good for a few "Hey, we've lost a couple in a row, now it's time to tank and tank hard for (insert high end prospect here)!" posts.

thought so too

Re: Need to tank hard to ensure Simmons comes to Boston.
« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2015, 08:15:01 AM »

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Why do we need to tank? Brooklyn is losing for us.
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Re: Need to tank hard to ensure Simmons comes to Boston.
« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2015, 08:23:59 AM »

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The odds of getting a superstar through trade or free agency is, in my estimation, just as unlikely as doing so through the draft, especially if you aren't a glamorous location or in a tax-free state. At least through the draft you have the player for a longer period of time and see him develop throughout the years.

If the Sixers wanted a competitive team they could easily have one tomorrow. They have the assets to flip the switch because it's really, really easy to go from a bad team to a mediocre one. The hard part is going from a mediocre/above average team to a very good/contender level team, because that requires superstars and there's just not enough of them for all 30 teams.

Okafor, Saric, Noel, Covington, their draft picks, and even Embiid could all fetch veteran talent easily. If they wanted to field a starting lineup of Ty Lawson, OJ Mayo, Gallinari, Taj Gibson/Markief Morris, and Roy Hibbert they could do so tomorrow.

Young players with potential and superstars are the most valuable commodities in the NBA. Why? Because they're both underpaid. Everybody else is grossly overpaid by comparison and due to the salary cap the more underpaid guys you have, the more talent you can actually squeeze onto your team.

Put it this way:  The Cavs are paying LeBron James 23 million dollars this year. The Sixers could easily sign two OK players 11.5 million a year, say an OK starting center and shooting guard. However, the production they are getting from those two players for the same money is nowhere near the impact LeBron, or any other superstar for that matter is providing. The problem is those stars are not available to the Sixers. So instead of paying average/above average players that money they're trying to get that superstar through the draft. Is that so hard to fathom?

Like Zach Lowe says frequently, tanking is no guarantee, it's just the best option out of a lot of unlikely options.




Re: Need to tank hard to ensure Simmons comes to Boston.
« Reply #26 on: December 21, 2015, 08:38:25 AM »

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Re: Need to tank hard to ensure Simmons comes to Boston.
« Reply #27 on: December 21, 2015, 08:52:17 AM »

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isn't it a bit too late to tank now? Even if we tank now, our loss % isn't going to catch up LA, Philly, or maybe the Nets?

Re: Need to tank hard to ensure Simmons comes to Boston.
« Reply #28 on: December 21, 2015, 09:25:31 AM »

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I don't really understand the tanker mentality. So when you're a "tanker" fan, do you even watch the games?
I mean you're rooting for the team to loose anyway, so why watch?

I have a friend, he's a tanker guy, he seldom watches the games, he wants to be awaken when the team has a star so he can run out and buy the guy's jersey, and get into watching again. I don't get it. 

Re: Need to tank hard to ensure Simmons comes to Boston.
« Reply #29 on: December 21, 2015, 09:30:12 AM »

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I don't really understand the tanker mentality. So when you're a "tanker" fan, do you even watch the games?
I mean you're rooting for the team to loose anyway, so why watch?

I have a friend, he's a tanker guy, he seldom watches the games, he wants to be awaken when the team has a star so he can run out and buy the guy's jersey, and get into watching again. I don't get it.

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