Howard/Jones for Lee, Turner, Sully, Boston 1st, Dallas 1st and Twolves 1st?

[kozlodoev]

You're a funny guy.

[ThaPreacher]

I say no.

Houston has no leverage to the Dwight situation. He could just leave by next year, so we don't have to offer three first round picks for him. I'd also would not want to trade Evan Turner. He has been a good off the bench, extra ball handler for us, I'd like for him to stay.

David Lee, Jared Sullinger, Tyler Zeller, a 1st round pick for 2016 that's not Brooklyn's (let Houston choose), a 2016 2nd round pick (we have plenty) for Dwight. That's as good a package that they will not get anywhere else.

I think that's a good enough deal to pry Howard, assuming we want him. Because BudCeltic is right, this might end up just being a rental and he might destroy the locker room with his antics.

Who are the available centers in the league that have Dwight Howard's ability?
I would love for Boston to acquire him.  I think Yoki's deal is fair. I would substitute Jerebko for Zeller in the deal. But Zeller might be more appealing for Houston.  I don't know that Dwight is disruptive to the Houston locker room more than Harden's antics.  Clearly, I don't know if I were Dwight, I'd be pleased with the the number of times they are going to him.  Hard to watch Harden dribble drive chuck three's and not play D from a low post point of view.

But I wouldn't make the deal unless Howard gave assurances of Celtics ability to resign him.

I still stay we should make a three way deal so Howard could go back to Orlando.  That would be some cosmic justice.

[BDeCosta26]

id rather tank for the next 3 years

You'd rather tank for 3 years anyway, FCO. You've been trying to trade Bradley, Thomas, Sully, etc. all season for more first rounders

[TheSundanceKid]

I don't think you'd need to give up so much. If Houston decide to shop Dwight I don't think there are too many teams who would be in the market for him. None of the contenders would want him. The young squads are heading in a different direction (Magic, Jazz etc).

You've got maybe the Wizards, Mavs... who else? The Nets? What do they offer? Would Miami try something around Whiteside? I just don't see too much of a market for him.

[TheFlex]

Bad deal. Analyze it like this:

The RFAs: Sullinger is having a much stronger year than Jones. Boston gives up more there.

Then, the rest of the deal: Lee, Turner, two 1sts, two 2nds for Howard, who may very well just be a rental. Boston gives up way too much.

[bigal534]

You cant look at it as a just this year assessment.

First and foremost, Dwight is BY FAR the best player in this deal. Its like talking to a wall with half of you though about these picks. They arent even OUR BEST PICKS. These are throw in picks. 15-25 picks at best. Plus Evan Turner who is terrible, Lee who is washed up, and Sully is going to be traded this year anyways.

I know Danny would take a risk on Dwight, look at his track record. He will take talent all day.

[CoachBo]

actually, tbh with you, I don't mind that trade

assume Dwight is just in a bad situation and in the wrong system, if we can get him for that package, I'd might do that

assuming our own pick this year is outside the lottery because we'll make playoffs. If the Mav's make playoffs this year as well (currently at 5), then both those picks are outside the lotto. The Twolves pick is conditional I believe

so you're really looking at 2 mid 1st rounders, Sully (personally for me, I am worried about his health in the long term), Lee (who hasn't produced much), and Turner for both Howard and Jones who can produce. A star and a hustle guy

Smart/Bradley/Crowder/Kelly/Dwight

IT/Terry (or RJ or Young)/Jerebko/Jones/Amir/Zeller

Dwight instantly improves our defense overall by being that rim protector we needed and given a lot of matchups, not many teams can really stop Dwight inside

Jones is another guy I like...another hustle guy who plays his ass off! much like Crowder but bigger.

Defensive lineup you have

Smart/Bradley/Crowder/Jones (or Amir)/Dwight

It took eight posts to get past "I don't like Dwight as a fan" to a reasoned response.

Good post.

I make that deal as soon as I can get Morey on the telephone. We're giving up VERY little of value.

Thing is, I don't think Morey does anything but laugh at that offer.

[RIPRED]

You cant look at it as a just this year assessment.

First and foremost, Dwight is BY FAR the best player in this deal. Its like talking to a wall with half of you though about these picks. They arent even OUR BEST PICKS. These are throw in picks. 15-25 picks at best. Plus Evan Turner who is terrible, Lee who is washed up, and Sully is going to be traded this year anyways.

I know Danny would take a risk on Dwight, look at his track record. He will take talent all day.

Please explain how Evan Turner is terrible. He may be a bust relative to his draft position, but the Celtics didn't draft him, and he has earned every cent of his contract. He may not be great at anything, but he does lots of things very well. Perfect role player and bench guy.

[ThePoeticWolf]

I rather this trade not involving Jones but still involving Howard.

I think a trade for Dwight Howard could work in our benefit for a one year rental plus freeing up roster spots for next year plus using one of our assets of a 1st round pick from Dallas.  If we're trying to make a push to make the playoffs, we need a big and someone who can drop 16 to 20 points ever night, plus not lose our defense. 

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zoew78u

Houston
Dwight Howard
Montrezl Harrell

Boston
Jonas Jerebko
Tyler Zeller
Amir Johnson
Kelly Olynyk
Dallas 2016 1st round

Why Houston does this?  They don't have any 1st round picks.  Olynyk is a solid player on a cheap contract for one more year, stretches the floor for them as well.  Zeller is a solid back up for them this year and could be signed cheap.  Jerebko is signed next year if they want him or can let him go.  Johnson is a starting power forward or a great back up for them this year or next year if they want to keep him, or release and gain 12 million.

Boston does this because we gain a big man that plays both ends of the floor.  Yes, limitations on offence but give us that low post presence that can score.  His defense would just be an addition to the defense we already play, but would elevate it even more.  Harrell I added in this trade because of money and players coming and going.  Easier for the Rocket to cut 2 players then 3 in some aspects, plus give us back a power forward.  Also the with next year us losing Lee's contract and Johnson being traded it really makes adding Howard to the time roughly another 12 million if we kept Johnson on his deal for next year.  This being said if Howard opts into his one year and doesn't leave.  Even if he does this it clears roster room for us.

[Big333223]

Haven't seen anything to suggest this a possibility but consider how Howard reportedly wants out and Miami reportedly is interested in trading for him. Is there any chance we can sneak in with our Brooklyn pick and get Justice Winslow similar to what Phoenix did last year acquiring Brandon Knight?

This would be the play, if at all possible. The dream would be getting Winslow from Miami and Capella from Houston for picks and a bunch of veteran bench depth for both teams.

But then, Houston isn't trading away both Howard and Capella, so I'm really dreaming.

[TheOneTrueRobb]

assume Dwight is just in a bad situation and in the wrong system

Let's see: DH was drafted by Orlando, but he was "in a bad situation and in the wrong system".

Then he went to LA, but there he was "in a bad situation and in the wrong system".

Now he's in Houston, where he's "in a bad situation and in the wrong system".

But, no, I'm sure he'll be fine here....

[slightly biased bias fan]

Two Injuries that destroy any athlete, knees and back...this equates to Howard being essentially a shell of his former self, not taking into account his attitude issues and free throws.

[chambers]

I'd do this deal if I knew Howard would re-sign for a 4x$20 million deal.
TJones still has some solid potential.

Only reason Rockets contemplate this deal is because Howard probably walks. If he had 2 more years on his deal they'd ask for (and get) much more in return.
Howard is still easily a top 5 big man.

[mgent]

actually, tbh with you, I don't mind that trade

assume Dwight is just in a bad situation and in the wrong system, if we can get him for that package, I'd might do that

assuming our own pick this year is outside the lottery because we'll make playoffs. If the Mav's make playoffs this year as well (currently at 5), then both those picks are outside the lotto. The Twolves pick is conditional I believe

so you're really looking at 2 mid 1st rounders, Sully (personally for me, I am worried about his health in the long term), Lee (who hasn't produced much), and Turner for both Howard and Jones who can produce. A star and a hustle guy

Smart/Bradley/Crowder/Kelly/Dwight

IT/Terry (or RJ or Young)/Jerebko/Jones/Amir/Zeller

Dwight instantly improves our defense overall by being that rim protector we needed and given a lot of matchups, not many teams can really stop Dwight inside

Jones is another guy I like...another hustle guy who plays his ass off! much like Crowder but bigger.

Defensive lineup you have

Smart/Bradley/Crowder/Jones (or Amir)/Dwight

Yup, this is a beautiful trade.  We get the best player in the deal, AND we keep our top 6 or so players, AND we get rid of some of these useless late firsts that are either going to go to waste, or just waste our cap/roster space.  Then throw in Jones, who is anything but a throw in.  It's like freakin' Christmas!!

Hell, even if Howard walks, I think we're in a better position to recruit if we finish as a 1-2 seed as opposed to a later one.

[mgent]

assume Dwight is just in a bad situation and in the wrong system

Let's see: DH was drafted by Orlando, but he was "in a bad situation and in the wrong system".

Then he went to LA, but there he was "in a bad situation and in the wrong system".

Now he's in Houston, where he's "in a bad situation and in the wrong system".

But, no, I'm sure he'll be fine here....

Huh?  DH was reaching the NBA Finals with Orlando.  He had a great supporting cast.  In LA and Houston he has/had an inefficient ballhog who wants to lead the league in FGA, and horrible supporting casts.  Regardless, the Lakers went from a good team to the worst in the league when he left.