Trade Sully while his value is perceived to be decent

[BDeCosta26]

Both players have a role on the team at the moment.



Both player can be replaced.


Both players could be part of a package to bring back a player superior to those two.   (I really hope this happens)

I can list a handful of players that can replace sully and his big azz.

Who can replace KO? List me some 7footers that can shoot the three

List your near double double guys.  Please.

Y double double? Lots of pfs can be double double guys with enough mins. Or per 36

Patrick Patterson
Speights
Seraphin
Hickson
Ezeli
Mahinmi
Baynes
T. Jones
Etc.

I'm not a huge Sullinger fan, but you shouldn't insult him like that. Comparing him to the likes of JJ Hickson, Mo Speights and Aron Baynes is ridiculous.

All around, Sullinger (at least the Sully we've had so far this year) is a much better player than JJ Friggen Hickson. It's not even really close. Just because a guy "could" average a double double per 36 doesn't mean they're as good as Sullinger is. Sully does just about everything better than JJ Hickson, especially passing (a key component to Brad's current offense) and scoring.

I get you don't like him, but he's not as easily replaceable as you think. We've won some games on the boards this year, and this team sans Sullinger wouldn't be able to do that. Kid is like 23 and already one of the games best rebounders.

[BDeCosta26]

Both players have a role on the team at the moment.



Both player can be replaced.


Both players could be part of a package to bring back a player superior to those two.   (I really hope this happens)

I can list a handful of players that can replace sully and his big azz.

Who can replace KO? List me some 7footers that can shoot the three

List your near double double guys.  Please.

Y double double? Lots of pfs can be double double guys with enough mins. Or per 36

Patrick Patterson
Speights
Seraphin
Hickson
Ezeli
Mahinmi
Baynes
T. Jones
Etc.

I'm not a huge Sullinger fan, but you shouldn't insult him like that. Comparing him to the likes of JJ Hickson, Mo Speights and Aron Baynes is ridiculous.

All around, Sullinger (at least the Sully we've had so far this year) is a much better player than JJ Friggen Hickson. It's not even really close. Just because a guy "could" average a double double per 36 doesn't mean they're as good as Sullinger is. Sully does just about everything better than JJ Hickson, especially passing (a key component to Brad's current offense) and scoring.

I get you don't like him, but he's not as easily replaceable as you think. We've won some games on the boards this year, and this team sans Sullinger wouldn't be able to do that. Kid is like 23 and already one of the games best rebounders.

[kozlodoev]

Yeah, I'd say that's a misguided notion considering that Sullinger is the big who's been playing the most minutes so far for this team, considering Stevens pairs Lee/Olynyk off the bench (with little thought apparently on who plays Center).

Which somehow isn't a function of the fact that these are the only two bigs on the bench who are really worth anything? Stevens would love to play Zeller over Lee or Sullinger. The problem is Zeller has been a trainwreck, and that's why the rotation is the way it is.

All of this has nothing to do with whether "Olynyk can play PF".

[BDeCosta26]

Double post sorry guys

[BudweiserCeltic]

Yeah, I'd say that's a misguided notion considering that Sullinger is the big who's been playing the most minutes so far for this team, considering Stevens pairs Lee/Olynyk off the bench (with little thought apparently on who plays Center).

Which somehow isn't a function of the fact that these are the only two bigs on the bench who are really worth anything? Stevens would love to play Zeller over Lee or Sullinger. The problem is Zeller has been a trainwreck, and that's why the rotation is the way it is.

All of this has nothing to do with whether "Olynyk can play PF".

The point was that having the only two players of your rotation giving you quality minutes (at center) in the starting unit, rather than balancing out and having one off the bench, is telling that the main reason Amir and Sullinger are on the floor is because they've simply have been the two best bigs for Stevens.

The point of using "your words" and twisting them for Olynyk's case is that I have no doubt in my mind that if immaterial to position, if Olynyk was outplaying Sullinger, Stevens would've found the way to have him in the starting unit one way or another. Be it by playing him alongside Sullinger or playing him alongside Amir, even if it meant making do with having Amir playing Center. As a consequence as well, you have Sullinger off the bench helping balance the position and limiting the time Lee/Olynyk are on the floor with little toughness in the position.

[kozlodoev]

I'm not a huge Sullinger fan, but you shouldn't insult him like that. Comparing him to the likes of JJ Hickson, Mo Speights and Aron Baynes is ridiculous.

All around, Sullinger (at least the Sully we've had so far this year) is a much better player than JJ Friggen Hickson. It's not even really close. Just because a guy "could" average a double double per 36 doesn't mean they're as good as Sullinger is. Sully does just about everything better than JJ Hickson, especially passing (a key component to Brad's current offense) and scoring.

Except between the two of them, Hickson is the dude who DID average a double-double (over 80 games when he was Portland's starting center a couple of years back)... and Sullinger so far has come kind of close over a quarter of a season. Just because you weren't paying enough attention to "JJ Friggen Hickson" doesn't mean that he's what you think he is.

[kozlodoev]

The point was that having the only two players of your rotation giving you quality minutes in the starting unit, rather than balancing out and having one off the bench, is telling that the main reason Amir and Sullinger are on the floor is because they've simply have been the two best bigs for Stevens.

Yeah, sorry, that doesn't make any sense. If you don't see or understand that Sullinger starts pretty much because he's the only guy on the team that can effectively box out centers, I can't help you.

[BudweiserCeltic]

The point was that having the only two players of your rotation giving you quality minutes in the starting unit, rather than balancing out and having one off the bench, is telling that the main reason Amir and Sullinger are on the floor is because they've simply have been the two best bigs for Stevens.

Yeah, sorry, that doesn't make any sense. If you don't see or understand that Sullinger starts pretty much because he's the only guy on the team that can effectively box out centers, I can't help you.

And again you fail to understand that Amir and Sullinger are the only two bigs that can actually do that, and by playing them alonside in your starting unit, you're limiting the time on the floor in which at least one of them is on the floor. If don't see that or understand that by playing Amir and Sullinger together you're essentially maximizing our worst defending unit on the floor (Lee/Olynyk pair) then I can't help you.

[kozlodoev]

The point was that having the only two players of your rotation giving you quality minutes in the starting unit, rather than balancing out and having one off the bench, is telling that the main reason Amir and Sullinger are on the floor is because they've simply have been the two best bigs for Stevens.

Yeah, sorry, that doesn't make any sense. If you don't see or understand that Sullinger starts pretty much because he's the only guy on the team that can effectively box out centers, I can't help you.

And again you fail to understand that Amir and Sullinger are the only two bigs that can actually do that, and by playing them alonside in your starting unit, you're limiting the time on the floor in which at least one of them is on the floor. If don't see that or understand that by playing Amir and Sullinger together you're essentially maximizing our worst defending unit on the floor (Lee/Olynyk pair) then I can't help you.

Olynyk is a better defender than you give him credit for. That still doesn't make him a center (plaus, that's a different discussion altogether).

Also, you do understand that matchups do not exist in a vacuum, and that having your best pairing against the opponents best pairing is potentially more valuable than having an even spread over 48 minutes, right?

[PhoSita]

Hickson has consistently made teams worse throughout most of his career.

You can say plenty about Sully, but not that.

[kozlodoev]

Hickson has consistently made teams worse throughout most of his career.

Yep, the fact that Cleveland went from a 60- to a 19-win team between 2010 and 2011 can be pinned entirely on Hickson

[BDeCosta26]

I'm not a huge Sullinger fan, but you shouldn't insult him like that. Comparing him to the likes of JJ Hickson, Mo Speights and Aron Baynes is ridiculous.

All around, Sullinger (at least the Sully we've had so far this year) is a much better player than JJ Friggen Hickson. It's not even really close. Just because a guy "could" average a double double per 36 doesn't mean they're as good as Sullinger is. Sully does just about everything better than JJ Hickson, especially passing (a key component to Brad's current offense) and scoring.

Except between the two of them, Hickson is the dude who DID average a double-double (over 80 games when he was Portland's starting center a couple of years back)... and Sullinger so far has come kind of close over a quarter of a season. Just because you weren't paying enough attention to "JJ Friggen Hickson" doesn't mean that he's what you think he is.

Except I was paying attention. That was what, 4 years ago? Sullinger is like 4 years younger then Hickson. If given the PT and health, I think it's more than likely Sullinger manages a double double for a season or two in his career.

TriBoy was talking about right now, this year, Sullinger would be easily replaceable with a "near double double guy" like Hickson. That's hogwash. Hickson is a decent player who does a few things well. But Sullinger does a lot of things well. Hickson can't pass, which is KEY to playing big minutes on this team, is an even poorer defender than Sullinger, can't shoot outside of 10 feet and is a liability in the 4th since he's been shooting under 60% the past few years. He doesn't have half the BBIQ Sullinger has and lacks any kind of handling ability, which Sullinger also has. Nevermind the fact that Sullinger is 23 and on the upswing while Hickson is 27 and on the downswing.

Just because you like to be condescending and wasn't paying attention to what I was responding to, doesn't make the JJ Hickson of today, not of three or four years ago a "near double double guy" who could easily replace what Sullinger brings to this team. He can't. Good for him for putting up double-doubles on that Portland team a few years ago. They got better after he left. But it has nothing to do with what I was talking about. If your gonna come at other peoples posts, you should be a little more respectful.

[Tr1boy]

If you have any more questions talk to my lawyer  Kozlodoev on JJ Hickson vs Sully

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A trade idea that matches up some of the rumor mill here:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=oaas69e

HOU gets: M. Morris, David Lee, Dallas 2016 1st pick
PHX gets: Trevor Ariza (or Corey Brewer), Jared Sullinger
BOS gets: Howard

[kozlodoev]

Except I was paying attention. That was what, 4 years ago?

That was in '12-13 (and then - almost - in '13-14). So no, it wasn't 4 years ago.

TriBoy was talking about right now, this year, Sullinger would be easily replaceable with a "near double double guy" like Hickson. That's hogwash. Hickson is a decent player who does a few things well. But Sullinger does a lot of things well. Hickson can't pass, which is KEY to playing big minutes on this team, is an even poorer defender than Sullinger, can't shoot outside of 10 feet and is a liability in the 4th since he's been shooting under 60% the past few years. He doesn't have half the BBIQ Sullinger has and lacks any kind of handling ability, which Sullinger also has. Nevermind the fact that Sullinger is 23 and on the upswing while Hickson is 27 and on the downswing.

Well, if Sullinger had half the BBIQ you think he has, he probably wouldn't be taking 3-4 threes a game with his stellar 29% shooting. And speaking about liability, Sullinger is not exactly lighting it up from the FT line this season.

The fact that guys like Johnson, Zeller, and even Bradley and Jerebko have gotten big minutes on our team is telling me that passing is a desirable but not absolutely indispensible attribute.

Again, the fact that no-one else on this roster can play center efficiently doesn't make Sullinger irreplaceable.

If you have any more questions talk to my lawyer  Kozlodoev on JJ Hickson vs Sully

Where do I send the bill?