Whichever way you slice it also, KO is under a team friendly contract, he has progressed at a better rate than sully and is a unique player that is not easy to replace.
You can find another sullinger. And hopefully for the Celts a better version. A guy who is in better shape. We have a ton of picks etc. Danny will make it work
Not sure how much MORE friendly KO's contract is, he simply has one more year than Sully in his rookie contract. At best the decision is delayed 1 more year. He's not on a team friendly contract, that remains to be seen depending on what occurs next year when he hits the market. The important part is that the decision is delayed one year to Sully's.
For all that KO has progressed according to you, he's having his worst year of his career so far. His shooting is not that different for the season to what Sully has been shooting this year, better 3pt% and free-throws, but overall quite similar. Which is important to note since it gives Olynyk a good advantage in TS%, but still down from previous seasons. And Sullinger is currently in a major slump offensively (something that Olynyk also went through).
It also ignores that Sullinger is a year younger. Olynyk and Sullinger aren't as unique as you want them to make, and are replaceable... not necessarily with the same skillset, but certainly with players that can fit a role to sustain their production.
And let's not ignore the level at which Sullinger is rebounding and defending this year.
But it's evident, as it's always been, that you don't care for an objective discussion when Olynyk is concerned.
Sully had an OK game last night. How many guys particularly sf/sf/pgs were able to drive by/score over him last night?
Just an "OK" game last night? A 17-point, 10 rebound game (against arguably the best rebounder in the league currently) on 54% shooting and some [dang] good defense is your definition of an "OK" game? Alrighty then.
Not sure what you're talking about of SF/SG/PGs able to drive by/score over him because certainly that wasn't the case. I'm guessing your thinking about Olynyk and Lee who had trouble getting off the bench after some putrid defense from those two last night.
I guess you're meaning when SF/SG/PGs routinely broke our perimeter defense and Sullinger had to go help, while trying to stay at home with Drummond else he'd have an easy bucket... something he did fairly well throughout the night. Sullinger's defense last night was one of the most important and crucial aspects of the game that kept us in it, that you're trying to put a negative spin on it is quite telling.
KO defense is "all over the place" . he is rotating, stealing the ball, not getting burnt on pnr etc. Help help help. He is stronger under the basket this year but still needs to improve.
Sullinger just mainly parks his butt under the basket. Bc he doesnt have the lateral quickness to go out too far to the perimeter. Defending Drummond? Why do you need to defend a guy who has little to no offensive capabilities?
Everyone's defense on our team, including Sullinger is "all over the place". EVERYONE rotates, this is not a uniqueness to Olynyk.
Olynyk's defense has indeed improved, I've mentioned a lot of times. But thing is Sullinger's defense has as well, and to a larger degree.
And yes defending Drummond is important, or should we just ignore his 18 points per game? Having a player that can push him outside of the paint, which is not an easy thing to do against a player like him, is incredibly valuable. No one but Sullinger managed it last night.
It's why Perkins was valuable to us when Howard was around, it was vital to diminish an incredible advantage those types of players might have otherwise had against pretty much the rest of the league.
Now Sullinger defending a Green or another legit pf is another story. We seen what happened in that case
Sadly I was a party that night and didn't watch the Golden State game, though I'd be willing to bet that Green wasn't Sullinger's main assignment throughout the night and it was more on Amir, KO, Lee. I could be wrong but knowing our usual defensive assignments, Sulliger probably wasn't assigned to him but to Ezeli, Bogut, and Speights. If someone can clarify...
And grabbing 12 rebounds in 27 mins is a given for a guy like Sully. You expect Drummond to grab 30 and sully 3 rebounds? He stands under the basket and will have a few hit his head without trying
So now being a routinely good rebounder is not worth having... ok...
Look again , you and some others keep diverting from the issue of what is this guys future with the team? Stressing about what is going on now means little as we are not winning a championship or going far with Sullinger being our starting pf. What is your concrete plan to deal with Sullinger contract situation? And don't say well not take 2 2nds or late 1st worse case. But not give him 14-15 million a year for 5 years
I'm not diverting the issue, I'm questioning your motive and rationalization because much of what you reason to be the need to trade Sullinger applies to many other players in our big man rotation, including Olynyk. But because they/he is your binkie you don't apply that standard.
I have no problem with looking to find value for Sullinger, that's worth discussing. I may not agree with it, I prefer to keep him around being cautious of what to spend on him (not sure what I'll be comfortable with until I see how next year's market unfolds), but it's worth discussing. I just disagree with most of your reasoning, or the whole "MIGHT LOSE HIM FOR NOTHING" dilemma which honestly is not all that important or crucial in my opinion.
All your discussions so far have had the agenda of glorifying and trying to make your binkies Olynyk and Mickey starters in our team. So I do question much of what you reason for this discussion because in my opinion it has very little to do with the value of Sullinger, but it has more to do with your preference to see more of Olynyk and Mickey playing even if left unsaid.
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