Trade Sully while his value is perceived to be decent

[Tr1boy]

All of this is of course predicated on the idea we could actually get something we want for him. 

But...

A) We don't really need anymore mediocre draft picks, and nobody is giving us a lottery pick for him. 

B) We don't really need any more mediocre to good players either.  If he fetches us a mediocre-to-good big man, then the trade is essentially pointless.  If he nets us a mediocre-to-good wing or guard, it'll just really add to the logjam we already have. 

Which leaves us...

C) A big trade involving Sullinger and other players. 

And that's far easier said than done.

I want to get something for Sully but if he walks in the offseason and we get nothing, I won't be crying or anything

It will be addition by subtraction situation

Lets say this happened today

lineup would be

Amir
KO
Crowder
Smart
AB

Lee/Zeller
Mickey
Turner
Hunter
IT

This team is no worse off.  KO gets more mins to consistently score more pts.  Lee replaces alot of things Sully does. Mickey gets a run and provides the shot blocking the team can use. 

I don't want to waste Sully for nothing though and get some assets back.  At least a 1st (in the 20's) or 2 2nd round picks

[MJohnnyboy]

Again got outplayed by Tristant Thompson. Who is tired of seeing this happen?

He is running out of gas again. Pretty bad efficiency on the offensive end. Everything is from like 15-17 ft out

Does he deserve 12-13 million dollar a year for his next contract?

Danny should consider trading him soon

This Post is retarded, trade KO if anybody, dude is softer than tissues and belongs in the WNBA.  Tough low post players like sully are hard to find in today nba, if we trade him who do you expect to rebound the ball for us, Kelly sissy ass Olynlyk?? David can't jump ass Lee?? Tyler frail ass Zeller??  Please think before you post, or it might come out retarded.

Your post sounds more ....

Lee can outjump sully out of the gym. That is how much lift sully has. Basically none.

Tough low post players like Sully?   He is rugged but there are plenty of guys way more rugged. Like thompson., green.

Sully beating up on lesser talented pfs does nothing for this team. My pt again is hr is suppose to be our Tristant Thompson and draond green etc but can't hang with those guys ,yet wants the same money for his next contract. If not more

Like some have said, he has become out of shape again.  Just lacks dedication to stay and remain in better shape.  He should be riding the bike after the game not ordering xxl pizza for himself. All joking aside he lacks things to reach his potential

KO on the other hand has improved every season. And be will keep getting stronger. He will be a decent consistent rebounder eventually.

You don't ride with Sullinger as your starter for the long term.

If we didn't have sully now ,you think our team would be any worse?   I doubt it.  If KO is gone , we lose our one "stretch big" advantage

"Sully wants as much if not more money than Draymond Green and Tristan Thompson"? Where did you get that from? Do you have inside sources? Bill Simmons brought up during the Warriors game that the Celtics were going to waive Sully if he didn't work himself into shape. You're telling me that the guy went from almost being waived to demanding more than 5 years/$80 million? On what planet does that make sense?

"He is supposed to be our tristan thompson/draymond green" First of all, those players are very different from each other in many ways. Second and more importantly who the hell thought Sully was THAT good to be put on the same level as those guys? In fact if I remember correctly, it was you who said Sully had Paul Millsap potential. Draymond Green is one of the best bigs in the NBA because of his all-around play and defensive instincts. No one sensible would compare Sully to him because they are very different. And Tristan Thompson is a much better athlete than Sullinger is and is a back-up big.

Where are you getting that Sullinger does all these things that he's out of shape again and that he simply doesn't care? To me it's been the opposite. Primarily because of body language. Sully's scoring numbers are down but that's coming from him not trying to over-do things on offense. For the first time I see him actually playing within the team's scheme as opposed to not caring and just hoisting up bad shots.

And comparing him to KO? You do understand that KO's numbers have stayed relatively the same this year except his rebounding numbers, which have gotten worse, since his rookie year. That's all the sudden going to change? How? Sully is a much better rebounder because he has a much better nose for the ball and that's very impressive for someone who, as you said, doesn't have much lift.

Last of all, if all these things you say is true about Sully, what makes you think anyone would want him?

[Celtics4ever]

Where are you getting that Sullinger does all these things that he's out of shape again and that he simply doesn't care? To me it's been the opposite. Primarily because of body language. Sully's scoring numbers are down but that's coming from him not trying to over-do things on offense. For the first time I see him actually playing within the team's scheme as opposed to not caring and just hoisting up bad shots.

This was true some the beginning of the year, but he started shooting more bad ones and lo and behold his FG% plummets.   He is a grade A rebounder, but a grade C or D scorer or scoring threat for a big.

I think Lee has had good games and bad games.   He is a liabilty on D, though and I never realized how much he gets blocked until he played for us.   Guys who think he has a ton of lift crack me up but then a  one legged crippled man can probably jump higher than Sully sometimes.

[LooseCannon]

"Sully wants as much if not more money than Draymond Green and Tristan Thompson"? Where did you get that from? Do you have inside sources? Bill Simmons brought up during the Warriors game that the Celtics were going to waive Sully if he didn't work himself into shape. You're telling me that the guy went from almost being waived to demanding more than 5 years/$80 million? On what planet does that make sense?

It makes sense for Sullinger to want to be paid as much as Tristan Thompson if it is reasonable to believe he is at least as good as Tristan Thompson or if it is reasonable to believe that a player in the NBA to have the ego to think he is much better than he actually is.

[SHAQATTACK]

Pork bellies are record high

[chambers]

David Lee is now looking more consistent that Sullinger?

Nah bro.

lol how freakin biased do some of you guys wanna be?

What sort of playoff run do you guys wanna make this year? Because if Sully is traded, there is no one that replaces his rebounding, passing out of the post, and ability to body up/defend the best post players in the NBA.

He's a huge reason for our great start to the season, and his passing, picks, rebounding and hustle have been excellent.

The guy is beasting on the boards.
He's hit a shooting slump for the past 5 games. Whoop dee doo.
He's arguably playing the best basketball he's ever played and you want to trade him for nothing?

You guys act like you're the only ones that watch Sullinger and that NBA GM's and scouts around the league are gonna offer him a super max contract and we'll get nothing for him.
If he does hit a wall or get injured again, he's not getting those max contract offers or even close to them.

Let him stay, help our playoff run, and then attempt to sign him to a good value deal- perhaps a 2 year deal to see how committed he is to getting int shape.
 To get any value back for Sully right now is impossible because of his contract situation and all the reasons above that you mentioned.

I'd rather keep him and attempt to sign him to good team deal than get a few 2nd rounds picks for him.

You are also talking about shipping out a guy who has been a top 4 player for us this year.
If you think that won't affect our playoff chances- as in making the playoffs AND getting through to the second round, then pull your heads out of your butts smell the reality.

5 game shooting slump in the best season of his career and he's useless huh?

5 game shooting slump? Tell me which legit starter goes through that.

He got played by both Green and Tristant Thompson like he was a pilon.

There was one play where was talking trash to Green, then Green gets p---ed off, runs around him for a baby hook and screams and one.  Sullinger just smiles and giggles. Because thats all he can do. Green from that point just abused Sullinger. 

Thompson last night not only sukked in all the defensive rebounds. Sully looked like he couldn't even get his own defensive rebounds because of Thompson.  Anderson also did a number

What your talking about , Sully having a good year = vs lesser talent. Thats nice and it doesn't mean nothing but in the end what matters is how do you beat GSW, Cavs and other good teams with smart good pfs.  not outplaying guys with low iq or mood issues like Cousins.

Draymond Green is arguably a top 15 player in the NBA. He killed everyone on our team. Sully was matched up vs Bogut for most of that game too, and Sully was on the court for 5 minutes with Tristan Thompson. Sully also destroyed Thompson in the playoffs when he came back from injury last season.

Sullinger can't rebound or play well vs good players?
Let's see, so far this year:

Vs Thunder 15 rebounds vs Ibaka and Adams
Vs Bulls 14 rebounds vs Gasol, Gibson, Noah
vs 76ers 14 rebounds vs OKafur and Noel
vs Pacers 11 rebounds (twice) vs Mahinmi and Jordan Hill
vs Dallas 12 rebounds vs Paculia
vs 76ers again 15 rebounds vs Okafur and Noel
vs Wizards 15 rebounds vs Gortat and Nene
vs Magic 11 rebounds vs Vucevic and Nicholson
vs New Orleans 20 rebounds vs Anthony Davis, Asik and Ajincia.
vs Golden State 13 rebounds vs Bogut, Green and Ezeli.

Plus 4 more games with 10 rebounds.

He actually grabs a higher % of rebounds than Tristan Thompson on both ends whilst playing more than TWICE as many minutes as Thompson. This is from a guy who is used as a stretch 4 and 5 for large portions of the game whereas Thompson hangs around in the paint AND plays against 2nd unit players, whereas Sully plays vs starters for far more minutes than Thompson.

That's not the point though. Sullinger is a FAR superior player to Thompson and you shouldn't even compare a one dimensional, overpaid stiff like Thompson to Sullinger. Sullinger is also a year younger than Thompson.

How do you think we get so many more shots than our opponents?
Who was grabbing boards over Green and Ezeli and giving Bradley and Thomas/Crowder second chance three point opportunities?

Who replaces Sully in our line up and gives us his rebounding?

Also please look at how long Sully and Thompson were on the floor together during that game. It was 4 or 5 minutes at most. You're just pulling things out your butt to prove an emotional, disillusioned point which you are famous for doing.

[Jon]

All of this is of course predicated on the idea we could actually get something we want for him. 

But...

A) We don't really need anymore mediocre draft picks, and nobody is giving us a lottery pick for him. 

B) We don't really need any more mediocre to good players either.  If he fetches us a mediocre-to-good big man, then the trade is essentially pointless.  If he nets us a mediocre-to-good wing or guard, it'll just really add to the logjam we already have. 

Which leaves us...

C) A big trade involving Sullinger and other players. 

And that's far easier said than done.

I want to get something for Sully but if he walks in the offseason and we get nothing, I won't be crying or anything

It will be addition by subtraction situation

Lets say this happened today

lineup would be

Amir
KO
Crowder
Smart
AB

Lee/Zeller
Mickey
Turner
Hunter
IT

This team is no worse off.  KO gets more mins to consistently score more pts.  Lee replaces alot of things Sully does. Mickey gets a run and provides the shot blocking the team can use. 

I don't want to waste Sully for nothing though and get some assets back.  At least a 1st (in the 20's) or 2 2nd round picks

I disagree. The last thing we need is more late first round or second round picks. This isn't the NFL with a 53 man roster and a 8 man practice squad, nor is it baseball or hockey with larger rosters and minor league teams. Quantity means far less in the NBA.

I'd rather hang onto Sully for what he can do this year and then see if we can either get him to re-sign at a fair price or attempt to sign and trade him.

[BitterJim]

All of this is of course predicated on the idea we could actually get something we want for him. 

But...

A) We don't really need anymore mediocre draft picks, and nobody is giving us a lottery pick for him. 

B) We don't really need any more mediocre to good players either.  If he fetches us a mediocre-to-good big man, then the trade is essentially pointless.  If he nets us a mediocre-to-good wing or guard, it'll just really add to the logjam we already have. 

Which leaves us...

C) A big trade involving Sullinger and other players. 

And that's far easier said than done.

I want to get something for Sully but if he walks in the offseason and we get nothing, I won't be crying or anything

It will be addition by subtraction situation

Lets say this happened today

lineup would be

Amir
KO
Crowder
Smart
AB

Lee/Zeller
Mickey
Turner
Hunter
IT

This team is no worse off.  KO gets more mins to consistently score more pts.  Lee replaces alot of things Sully does. Mickey gets a run and provides the shot blocking the team can use. 

I don't want to waste Sully for nothing though and get some assets back.  At least a 1st (in the 20's) or 2 2nd round picks

Despite your... questionable... opinion that Mickey is the best big on the team, I don't get why you think losing Sully for nothing would make us a better team.  If that were the case, CBS wouldn't be playing him

[TheSundanceKid]

The only trades that should be made with Sully are those that net us a significant upgrade over our ENTIRE frontcourt. No one should have interest in trading him for Josh Smith... And if a trade like that comes up, don't preclude ANY of our bigs from being involved. None have created enough separation to warrant it.
I'm not going to get into the debate on KO vs Sully because its been done to death, both have strengths and weaknesses, it depends on what the individual values more highly as a skill.
If no trade comes up for Sully, you resign him as a restricted free agent and look at options for trading him down the line. If that if even what we want...

[tarheelsxxiii]

I get that things get boring, but I don't get why you'd waste energy arguing about what is nothing more than an unhealthy obsession with a current D-Leaguer. He's 21st in efficiency in the D-League. A 15/11 game in that league is a massive failure. Mickey is looking to become Bobby Portis of preseason at this point. Literally, that seems to be his goal. And his 3 point % has already dropped down there...

[chambers]

But yeah, David Lee is playing better than Sully....

http://www.celticsblog.com/2015/12/17/10367412/every-single-boston-celtics-lineup-combination-is-better-without-david-lee

[TheFlex]

David Lee is now looking more consistent that Sullinger?

Nah bro.

lol how freakin biased do some of you guys wanna be?

What sort of playoff run do you guys wanna make this year? Because if Sully is traded, there is no one that replaces his rebounding, passing out of the post, and ability to body up/defend the best post players in the NBA.

He's a huge reason for our great start to the season, and his passing, picks, rebounding and hustle have been excellent.

The guy is beasting on the boards.
He's hit a shooting slump for the past 5 games. Whoop dee doo.
He's arguably playing the best basketball he's ever played and you want to trade him for nothing?

You guys act like you're the only ones that watch Sullinger and that NBA GM's and scouts around the league are gonna offer him a super max contract and we'll get nothing for him.
If he does hit a wall or get injured again, he's not getting those max contract offers or even close to them.

Let him stay, help our playoff run, and then attempt to sign him to a good value deal- perhaps a 2 year deal to see how committed he is to getting int shape.
 To get any value back for Sully right now is impossible because of his contract situation and all the reasons above that you mentioned.

I'd rather keep him and attempt to sign him to good team deal than get a few 2nd rounds picks for him.

You are also talking about shipping out a guy who has been a top 4 player for us this year.
If you think that won't affect our playoff chances- as in making the playoffs AND getting through to the second round, then pull your heads out of your butts smell the reality.

5 game shooting slump in the best season of his career and he's useless huh?

5 game shooting slump? Tell me which legit starter goes through that.

He got played by both Green and Tristant Thompson like he was a pilon.

There was one play where was talking trash to Green, then Green gets p---ed off, runs around him for a baby hook and screams and one.  Sullinger just smiles and giggles. Because thats all he can do. Green from that point just abused Sullinger. 

Thompson last night not only sukked in all the defensive rebounds. Sully looked like he couldn't even get his own defensive rebounds because of Thompson.  Anderson also did a number

What your talking about , Sully having a good year = vs lesser talent. Thats nice and it doesn't mean nothing but in the end what matters is how do you beat GSW, Cavs and other good teams with smart good pfs.  not outplaying guys with low iq or mood issues like Cousins.

Draymond Green is arguably a top 15 player in the NBA. He killed everyone on our team. Sully was matched up vs Bogut for most of that game too, and Sully was on the court for 5 minutes with Tristan Thompson. Sully also destroyed Thompson in the playoffs when he came back from injury last season.

Sullinger can't rebound or play well vs good players?
Let's see, so far this year:

Vs Thunder 15 rebounds vs Ibaka and Adams
Vs Bulls 14 rebounds vs Gasol, Gibson, Noah
vs 76ers 14 rebounds vs OKafur and Noel
vs Pacers 11 rebounds (twice) vs Mahinmi and Jordan Hill
vs Dallas 12 rebounds vs Paculia
vs 76ers again 15 rebounds vs Okafur and Noel
vs Wizards 15 rebounds vs Gortat and Nene
vs Magic 11 rebounds vs Vucevic and Nicholson
vs New Orleans 20 rebounds vs Anthony Davis, Asik and Ajincia.
vs Golden State 13 rebounds vs Bogut, Green and Ezeli.

Plus 4 more games with 10 rebounds.

He actually grabs a higher % of rebounds than Tristan Thompson on both ends whilst playing more than TWICE as many minutes as Thompson. This is from a guy who is used as a stretch 4 and 5 for large portions of the game whereas Thompson hangs around in the paint AND plays against 2nd unit players, whereas Sully plays vs starters for far more minutes than Thompson.

That's not the point though. Sullinger is a FAR superior player to Thompson and you shouldn't even compare a one dimensional, overpaid stiff like Thompson to Sullinger. Sullinger is also a year younger than Thompson.

How do you think we get so many more shots than our opponents?
Who was grabbing boards over Green and Ezeli and giving Bradley and Thomas/Crowder second chance three point opportunities?

Who replaces Sully in our line up and gives us his rebounding?

Also please look at how long Sully and Thompson were on the floor together during that game. It was 4 or 5 minutes at most. You're just pulling things out your butt to prove an emotional, disillusioned point which you are famous for doing.

Yep, saying Thompson is better than Sullinger is just laughable. Sully outplayed him in last year's playoffs and didn't match up against him last night. Sullinger is having a far more impressive year than Thompson or any of our own bigs for that matter.

[Celtics4ever]

Sully played well last night.

[BudweiserCeltic]

So... no one is going to make a thread about how they're tired of Drummond outplaying Olynyk? :p

[Jon]

All of this is of course predicated on the idea we could actually get something we want for him. 

But...

A) We don't really need anymore mediocre draft picks, and nobody is giving us a lottery pick for him. 

B) We don't really need any more mediocre to good players either.  If he fetches us a mediocre-to-good big man, then the trade is essentially pointless.  If he nets us a mediocre-to-good wing or guard, it'll just really add to the logjam we already have. 

Which leaves us...

C) A big trade involving Sullinger and other players. 

And that's far easier said than done.

I want to get something for Sully but if he walks in the offseason and we get nothing, I won't be crying or anything

It will be addition by subtraction situation

Lets say this happened today

lineup would be

Amir
KO
Crowder
Smart
AB

Lee/Zeller
Mickey
Turner
Hunter
IT

This team is no worse off.  KO gets more mins to consistently score more pts.  Lee replaces alot of things Sully does. Mickey gets a run and provides the shot blocking the team can use. 

I don't want to waste Sully for nothing though and get some assets back.  At least a 1st (in the 20's) or 2 2nd round picks

Despite your... questionable... opinion that Mickey is the best big on the team, I don't get why you think losing Sully for nothing would make us a better team.  If that were the case, CBS wouldn't be playing him

My biggest fear about playing Mickey is that he won't have enough time to prepare his HOF Acceptance Speech for this summer's induction.