Trade Sully while his value is perceived to be decent

[slamtheking]

What about this trade idea

To clippers: sullinger, Zeller, Turner, 2 2nds(mid/late)
To Celtics: Smith, Stephenson, 2017 1st

Stephenson is under another bad fit - lac. Doc is a , you got a role type of coach which limits LS freedom.   Smith is not happy under LAC and still has capabilities to contribute (seen from last season).  The 1st is nice though may end up a late pick

Doc will limit Sullys 3 pt shooting ways and have him park his butt under neath the basket at both ends.  Good pf have off the bench or pair with either avg Iq players in Jordan/Griffin.

Turner like Smith is a throw in.

A lateral trade idea but could benefit both teams

you're hatred for Sully is just going off the rails now. 

wouldn't make that deal with a gun to my head.

[Donoghus]

What about this trade idea

To clippers: sullinger, Zeller, Turner, 2 2nds(mid/late)
To Celtics: Smith, Stephenson, 2017 1st

Stephenson is under another bad fit - lac. Doc is a , you got a role type of coach which limits LS freedom.   Smith is not happy under LAC and still has capabilities to contribute (seen from last season).  The 1st is nice though may end up a late pick

Doc will limit Sullys 3 pt shooting ways and have him park his butt under neath the basket at both ends.  Good pf have off the bench or pair with either avg Iq players in Jordan/Griffin.

Turner like Smith is a throw in.

A lateral trade idea but could benefit both teams

you're hatred for Sully is just going off the rails now. 

wouldn't make that deal with a gun to my head.

There's a very good chance that trade makes this Celtics team worse.  It certainly would make the offense less efficient.   

Adding Stephenson to an already over-crowded back court does nothing to the help, if not make things worse, in the backcourt (Can you imagine IT4 out there with Lance?).  You're not sending any guards out.

Celtics frontcourt also gets weakened by this deal.   

And, lastly, that isn't '17 first rounder already top 14 protected to Toronto?

[Vermont Green]

Sully had a hot start to the year but after about a month and a half we've already reached a point where David Lee looks consistently better.  How long until Brad starts Lee and Amir together?

Just hard to fathom how Sully struggles to score with reasonable efficiency.  I guess he's just not quick enough or athletic enough, too many of his shots are jumpers.

I think there is a fairly simple explanation for Sullinger's decline since the beginning of the season.  He showed up in the best shape of his life after really working over the summer but to me, it looks that he has regressed; gained weight and gotten soft.  Now the shots aren't going.  I have remained very high on Sullinger but the trend this season is a really bad omen.

[SHAQATTACK]

Stevenson is terrible.  Everybody on the blog wanted him when Pcers had him.    Not me . 

Is bad mojo .....like Dwight ...a disease to a team.

Two of the last players I'd every want on Boston .

I d take Melo way before these guys.

[PhoSita]

Sully had a hot start to the year but after about a month and a half we've already reached a point where David Lee looks consistently better.  How long until Brad starts Lee and Amir together?

Just hard to fathom how Sully struggles to score with reasonable efficiency.  I guess he's just not quick enough or athletic enough, too many of his shots are jumpers.

I think there is a fairly simple explanation for Sullinger's decline since the beginning of the season.  He showed up in the best shape of his life after really working over the summer but to me, it looks that he has regressed; gained weight and gotten soft.  Now the shots aren't going.  I have remained very high on Sullinger but the trend this season is a really bad omen.

We've certainly see him get out of shape over the course of the regular season before.

My guess is that he falls out of good habits back into bad ones once the season gets underway.  Harder to diet on a travel schedule.

[mctyson]

Again got outplayed by Tristant Thompson. Who is tired of seeing this happen?

He is running out of gas again. Pretty bad efficiency on the offensive end. Everything is from like 15-17 ft out

Does he deserve 12-13 million dollar a year for his next contract?

Danny should consider trading him soon

He is the best rebounder on the team, probably the best low-post scorer (Lee might be better), certainly has the best hands of all of our bigs (Lee is second) and is generally our in our top 3 most overall talented players on the roster.

When he hits shots he is an All-Star caliber 2-way player.

[Tr1boy]

Again got outplayed by Tristant Thompson. Who is tired of seeing this happen?

He is running out of gas again. Pretty bad efficiency on the offensive end. Everything is from like 15-17 ft out

Does he deserve 12-13 million dollar a year for his next contract?

Danny should consider trading him soon

This Post is retarded, trade KO if anybody, dude is softer than tissues and belongs in the WNBA.  Tough low post players like sully are hard to find in today nba, if we trade him who do you expect to rebound the ball for us, Kelly sissy ass Olynlyk?? David can't jump ass Lee?? Tyler frail ass Zeller??  Please think before you post, or it might come out retarded.

Your post sounds more ....

Lee can outjump sully out of the gym. That is how much lift sully has. Basically none.

Tough low post players like Sully?   He is rugged but there are plenty of guys way more rugged. Like thompson., green.

Sully beating up on lesser talented pfs does nothing for this team. My pt again is hr is suppose to be our Tristant Thompson and draond green etc but can't hang with those guys ,yet wants the same money for his next contract. If not more

Like some have said, he has become out of shape again.  Just lacks dedication to stay and remain in better shape.  He should be riding the bike after the game not ordering xxl pizza for himself. All joking aside he lacks things to reach his potential

KO on the other hand has improved every season. And be will keep getting stronger. He will be a decent consistent rebounder eventually.

You don't ride with Sullinger as your starter for the long term.

If we didn't have sully now ,you think our team would be any worse?   I doubt it.  If KO is gone , we lose our one "stretch big" advantage

[Celtics4ever]

Decent value is hard when you shoot  .306% from the field and .169 from the trey line your last five games. 

probably the best low-post scorer

That means we need new ones.  Good post players do not shoot 41% from the field.  I can believe people think that is good low post scoring.   I hear lasik works wonders.


Every year he starts hot, I hoped this year would be different but the slide is starting already.  He certainly can rebound.   Include him, in whatever midseason deal Ainge can scrounge up like if he makes a move for DMC or Howard.  Maybe him for Nerlens?

[CelticSince83]

The options with Sully are 1. Package him with others in a trade, 2. Let him walk for nothing, 3. Pay him an absurd amount of money that could possibly be spent at the concession stand while watching the Celtics play from the stands after eating himself out of the league.

Option 1 looks pretty good to me.

[mctyson]

Decent value is hard when you shoot  .306% from the field and .169 from the trey line your last five games. 

probably the best low-post scorer

That means we need new ones.  Good post players do not shoot 41% from the field.  I can believe people think that is good low post scoring.   I hear lasik works wonders.


Every year he starts hot, I hoped this year would be different but the slide is starting already.  He certainly can rebound.   Include him, in whatever midseason deal Ainge can scrounge up like if he makes a move for DMC or Howard.  Maybe him for Nerlens?

His shooting % is dramatically impacted by the fact that he takes a lot of deep 2s and 3s.  He is not an optimal player for Stevens' system (as far as I can see), who doesn't run a lot of isolation for bigs on the post.  I would like to see a little more of that for Sully, at least.

[Celtics4ever]

His shooting % is dramatically impacted by the fact that he takes a lot of deep 2s and 3s.  He is not an optimal player for Stevens' system (as far as I can see), who doesn't run a lot of isolation for bigs on the post.  I would like to see a little more of that for Sully, at least.

I call BS.   

It is affecting his shooting % because he is missing them.   No one cared when he was hitting them.  A lot of NBA guys can nail those shots.   Who's fault is the fact that he is taking long threes, do you see anyone putting a gun to his head?   I don't.   In fact, at the beginning of the year, he was taking less and shooting better.   Shot selection is a big part of any player's FG %.   Smart players take good shots they can make, they just do not take a bad shot for the heck of it, but Sully does and he wants to be the hero, you can tell it.

I really doubt Stevens benching him lately has to do with the fact, that he told him to take and miss shots.   He is expected to hit shots and select ones he can make.

The reason we do not run iso for bigs in our post, could be because we try to spread the floor for movement.  Another reason if we do not have good low post bigs. 

Sully is good off rebounds, but he lacks lenght and athletic abilty, he always has, and this hurts him in the low post.   Few have better hands and are more solid at tip ins or put backs.   But his post moves are pretty basics, back the guy in with his fat backside or the hook.    Not like he has a slippery eel up this sleeve or the like.   He can't shoot the turnaround that well because all a guy has to do if slide up on him, and it is trouble because of lack of length and vertical.  The up and under does not work for him because he would not back up with his balance that well.

Sully might do ok in a system that is more half court in nature.

[chambers]

David Lee is now looking more consistent that Sullinger?

Nah bro.

lol how freakin biased do some of you guys wanna be?

What sort of playoff run do you guys wanna make this year? Because if Sully is traded, there is no one that replaces his rebounding, passing out of the post, and ability to body up/defend the best post players in the NBA.

He's a huge reason for our great start to the season, and his passing, picks, rebounding and hustle have been excellent.

The guy is beasting on the boards.
He's hit a shooting slump for the past 5 games. Whoop dee doo.
He's arguably playing the best basketball he's ever played and you want to trade him for nothing?

You guys act like you're the only ones that watch Sullinger and that NBA GM's and scouts around the league are gonna offer him a super max contract and we'll get nothing for him.
If he does hit a wall or get injured again, he's not getting those max contract offers or even close to them.

Let him stay, help our playoff run, and then attempt to sign him to a good value deal- perhaps a 2 year deal to see how committed he is to getting int shape.
 To get any value back for Sully right now is impossible because of his contract situation and all the reasons above that you mentioned.

I'd rather keep him and attempt to sign him to good team deal than get a few 2nd rounds picks for him.

You are also talking about shipping out a guy who has been a top 4 player for us this year.
If you think that won't affect our playoff chances- as in making the playoffs AND getting through to the second round, then pull your heads out of your butts smell the reality.

5 game shooting slump in the best season of his career and he's useless huh?

[Jon]

All of this is of course predicated on the idea we could actually get something we want for him. 

But...

A) We don't really need anymore mediocre draft picks, and nobody is giving us a lottery pick for him. 

B) We don't really need any more mediocre to good players either.  If he fetches us a mediocre-to-good big man, then the trade is essentially pointless.  If he nets us a mediocre-to-good wing or guard, it'll just really add to the logjam we already have. 

Which leaves us...

C) A big trade involving Sullinger and other players. 

And that's far easier said than done. 

[nopassbass]

I like Sully, but he needs to change his body language. He is way too mopey. That being said he is a great rebounder and I agree we should only trade him for something of great value.

[Tr1boy]

David Lee is now looking more consistent that Sullinger?

Nah bro.

lol how freakin biased do some of you guys wanna be?

What sort of playoff run do you guys wanna make this year? Because if Sully is traded, there is no one that replaces his rebounding, passing out of the post, and ability to body up/defend the best post players in the NBA.

He's a huge reason for our great start to the season, and his passing, picks, rebounding and hustle have been excellent.

The guy is beasting on the boards.
He's hit a shooting slump for the past 5 games. Whoop dee doo.
He's arguably playing the best basketball he's ever played and you want to trade him for nothing?

You guys act like you're the only ones that watch Sullinger and that NBA GM's and scouts around the league are gonna offer him a super max contract and we'll get nothing for him.
If he does hit a wall or get injured again, he's not getting those max contract offers or even close to them.

Let him stay, help our playoff run, and then attempt to sign him to a good value deal- perhaps a 2 year deal to see how committed he is to getting int shape.
 To get any value back for Sully right now is impossible because of his contract situation and all the reasons above that you mentioned.

I'd rather keep him and attempt to sign him to good team deal than get a few 2nd rounds picks for him.

You are also talking about shipping out a guy who has been a top 4 player for us this year.
If you think that won't affect our playoff chances- as in making the playoffs AND getting through to the second round, then pull your heads out of your butts smell the reality.

5 game shooting slump in the best season of his career and he's useless huh?

5 game shooting slump? Tell me which legit starter goes through that.

He got played by both Green and Tristant Thompson like he was a pilon.

There was one play where was talking trash to Green, then Green gets p---ed off, runs around him for a baby hook and screams and one.  Sullinger just smiles and giggles. Because thats all he can do. Green from that point just abused Sullinger. 

Thompson last night not only sukked in all the defensive rebounds. Sully looked like he couldn't even get his own defensive rebounds because of Thompson.  Anderson also did a number

What your talking about , Sully having a good year = vs lesser talent. Thats nice and it doesn't mean nothing but in the end what matters is how do you beat GSW, Cavs and other good teams with smart good pfs.  not outplaying guys with low iq or mood issues like Cousins.