Dwight Unhappy; can we make a move?

[max215]

Can anyone explain how he would fit in Stevens' system? Or is he just a big name that people are throwing out there and a bad fit?

Beyond the fact that CBS will definitely be willing to adjust for him, here's how i see it breaking down lineup-wise.

Offense: Surround Dwight with at least one (maybe 2) pick and roll ballhandler, add a stretch forward, and a shooter. Dwight rolls to the basket to finish or draw the defense in, leaving space for 2 options (shooter/stretch4) for an open bucket. The ballhandlers either drop it off to a rolling Dwight, find the open shooter, or score themselves.

This may seem simply explained, but no one on the team current is the rolling threat to finish as Dwight would be. That's why defenses would are more willing to hedge the ballhandler, rather than ICE-ing to take away the rolling man.

Defense: This is where Dwight's value is undeniable. Any lineup with any combination of Smart, Avery, Jae, Amir, or Dwight will be enough to make up for the weaker defensive players on the team like IT4. As long as at least 3 of those guys are on the court at all times, the defense has at least 2 perimeter bulldogs and 1 legit rim protector. Subjectively, i assume that having at least 3 shutdown defenders for all 48 minutes is gonna be an issue with any team.

TP for a nice write up.

[coffee425]

Can anyone explain how he would fit in Stevens' system? Or is he just a big name that people are throwing out there and a bad fit?

Beyond the fact that CBS will definitely be willing to adjust for him, here's how i see it breaking down lineup-wise.

Offense: Surround Dwight with at least one (maybe 2) pick and roll ballhandler, add a stretch forward, and a shooter. Dwight rolls to the basket to finish or draw the defense in, leaving space for 2 options (shooter/stretch4) for an open bucket. The ballhandlers either drop it off to a rolling Dwight, find the open shooter, or score themselves.

This may seem simply explained, but no one on the team current is the rolling threat to finish as Dwight would be. That's why defenses would are more willing to hedge the ballhandler, rather than ICE-ing to take away the rolling man.

Defense: This is where Dwight's value is undeniable. Any lineup with any combination of Smart, Avery, Jae, Amir, or Dwight will be enough to make up for the weaker defensive players on the team like IT4. As long as at least 3 of those guys are on the court at all times, the defense has at least 2 perimeter bulldogs and 1 legit rim protector. Subjectively, i assume that having at least 3 shutdown defenders for all 48 minutes is gonna be an issue with any team.

Thank you, that is a really great break down. Any idea what his passing or BBIQ is like? I read that he is turn over prone.

IMO.. its also an underrated part of his game. The only reason that Orlando team made it so far was due to Dwight's ability to find the open shooter from a double team. I dont think thats a skill that would deteriorate from age

[Chief Macho]

hell no.

[LilRip]

Can anyone explain how he would fit in Stevens' system? Or is he just a big name that people are throwing out there and a bad fit?

Beyond the fact that CBS will definitely be willing to adjust for him, here's how i see it breaking down lineup-wise.

Offense: Surround Dwight with at least one (maybe 2) pick and roll ballhandler, add a stretch forward, and a shooter. Dwight rolls to the basket to finish or draw the defense in, leaving space for 2 options (shooter/stretch4) for an open bucket. The ballhandlers either drop it off to a rolling Dwight, find the open shooter, or score themselves.

This may seem simply explained, but no one on the team current is the rolling threat to finish as Dwight would be. That's why defenses would are more willing to hedge the ballhandler, rather than ICE-ing to take away the rolling man.

Defense: This is where Dwight's value is undeniable. Any lineup with any combination of Smart, Avery, Jae, Amir, or Dwight will be enough to make up for the weaker defensive players on the team like IT4. As long as at least 3 of those guys are on the court at all times, the defense has at least 2 perimeter bulldogs and 1 legit rim protector. Subjectively, i assume that having at least 3 shutdown defenders for all 48 minutes is gonna be an issue with any team.

Thank you, that is a really great break down. Any idea what his passing or BBIQ is like? I read that he is turn over prone.

IMO.. its also an underrated part of his game. The only reason that Orlando team made it so far was due to Dwight's ability to find the open shooter from a double team. I dont think thats a skill that would deteriorate from age

If anything, I think it's a skill that gets better with age.

IMO, if we were able to acquire Dwight, the best lineup we would have on the floor would be IT, Bradley (or Smart, depending how he comes back), Crowder, KO, and Dwight. Not only would that unit be a beast defensively but also, everyone's offensive skillset would complement each other. D12 opens up the corners for guys like Crowder and Bradley/Smart, IT4 and D12 can play the pick and roll, KO spaces the floor, and so on.

[ederson]

People don't think Cousins would fit in with this teams culture but Howard would?

I`m wondering the same thing too.....

[ssspence]

People don't think Cousins would fit in with this teams culture but Howard would?

I`m wondering the same thing too.....

Cousins is smart, and wound up a little to tight. Howard's an idiot. There's a difference.

[moiso]

Both are morons.  I can't stand Cousins and he might be a cancer but at least he is still trying to make his mark.  It seems like Howard doesn't care much any more.

[SHAQATTACK]

Howard gave up caring about winning years ago . He is playing to pick up the biggest check possible .

He might ride along with a serious contender and play backup minutes to a young star center.  He can't stay on the court and play at a high level and not get some sort of injury . 

Now days attitude is everything .  So many players with poor work ethic and no desire to win ......after all

They are RiCH ...win or loose.

[CelticSince83]

People don't think Cousins would fit in with this teams culture but Howard would?

I`m wondering the same thing too.....

Cousins is smart, and wound up a little to tight. Howard's an idiot. There's a difference.

Good luck trying to sell anyone to this forum.  People on here have issue with 80% of the all stars in this league.  They aren't Brad Stevens guys, apparently. 

[Kuberski33]

Howard would certainly help but the question is do you want to commit the resources to essentially build your team around the guy?  Not worth it IMO. Shooting is more of a need right now. 

[guava_wrench]

His cost might be more than we are willing to pay. If you can get him cheap, you do it and then have the option to re-gift him.

His health concerns me. Is he still not playing back to backs?

Our defense could be ridiculous with him. Our personnel would also be good for his ego. His contribution of offense could be very negative, though IT could probably get him a lot of easy dunks.

[D Dub]

People don't think Cousins would fit in with this teams culture but Howard would?

I`m wondering the same thing too.....

Cousins is smart, and wound up a little to tight. Howard's an idiot. There's a difference.

Good luck trying to sell anyone to this forum.  People on here have issue with 80% of the all stars in this league.  They aren't Brad Stevens guys, apparently.

I see a big difference between these two players.  First off, Howard can not shoot the ball from anywhere on the floor.  Even from the block, he's shaky.  Cousins, on the other-hand has a nice face-up game and range out to the 3pt line. 

In today's NBA that's a glaring weakness for any team looking to space the floor with Dwight in their lineup. 

[ThePoeticWolf]

I think a trade for Dwight Howard could work in our benefit for a one year rental plus freeing up roster spots for next year plus using one of our assets of a 1st round pick from Dallas.  If we're trying to make a push to make the playoffs, we need a big and someone who can drop 16 to 20 points ever night, plus not lose our defense. 

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zoew78u

Houston
Dwight Howard
Montrezl Harrell

Boston
Jonas Jerebko
Tyler Zeller
Amir Johnson
Kelly Olynyk
Dallas 2016 1st round

Why Houston does this?  They don't have any 1st round picks.  Olynyk is a solid player on a cheap contract for one more year, stretches the floor for them as well.  Zeller is a solid back up for them this year and could be signed cheap.  Jerebko is signed next year if they want him or can let him go.  Johnson is a starting power forward or a great back up for them this year or next year if they want to keep him, or release and gain 12 million.

Boston does this because we gain a big man that plays both ends of the floor.  Yes, limitations on offence but give us that low post presence that can score.  His defense would just be an addition to the defense we already play, but would elevate it even more.  Harrell I added in this trade because of money and players coming and going.  Easier for the Rocket to cut 2 players then 3 in some aspects, plus give us back a power forward.  Also the with next year us losing Lee's contract and Johnson being traded it really makes adding Howard to the time roughly another 12 million if we kept Johnson on his deal for next year.  This being said if Howard opts into his one year and doesn't leave.  Even if he does this it clears roster room for us.

[LooseCannon]

Why Houston does this? 

Houston might only be interested in a trade that moves them closer to a championship for this season and/or next season than they would be with a healthy Dwight Howard.

[ThePoeticWolf]

Why Houston does this? 

Houston might only be interested in a trade that moves them closer to a championship for this season and/or next season than they would be with a healthy Dwight Howard.

Yes this trade doesn't help them this year particular, but it helps them year and in the future.  The have larger contracts they need to move and Howard being one of them.  Plus this give them a 1st round pick which they don't have.  I'm more looking at the trade if Houston is trying to get some promise back for Howard who could just leave them at the end of the year.  So it really depends if they feel Howard would just leave them for nothing, in this trade they get some youth and a 1st round, plus the money works.  They were taking about a Whiteside trade and Miami would have to give up to much to match the money and not get enough back from Houston in return.